Edward Colston/Trans rights/Stamp collecting
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Yeah heard about that. Gill abused his own children apparently so I assume could make the same argument regarding offence etc.0
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I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.Ben
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Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
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kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
Probably, tbf. They'd be people with questionable taste, to be honest.
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I still have Lost Prophets CDs.kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
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No, I think that would be an overreaction.Ben6899 said:kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
Probably, tbf. They'd be people with questionable taste, to be honest.
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I had a LP earworm recently. Really like(d) their musicTheBigBean said:
I still have Lost Prophets CDs.kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
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kingstongraham said:
No, I think that would be an overreaction.Ben6899 said:kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
Probably, tbf. They'd be people with questionable taste, to be honest.
If it turns out a colleague of mine is a nonce, do we rip everything out of the ground that they've designed?
Agreed.Ben
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The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
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You still have CDs...?TheBigBean said:
I still have Lost Prophets CDs.kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Yes, but I have also the CDs ripped to something more functional. I know that makes me odd these days.ddraver said:
You still have CDs...?TheBigBean said:
I still have Lost Prophets CDs.kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
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Well TOTP2 isn't likely to show Rolf doing Two Little Boys and I didn't catch Gary Glitter's Another Rock and Roll Christmas on the radio over the festive season so organisations do boycott works by known child abusers.
I can see why someone might want it removed and the arguments that applied to Colston would apply here.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I enjoy being odd too. 😉TheBigBean said:
Yes, but I have also the CDs ripped to something more functional. I know that makes me odd these days.ddraver said:
You still have CDs...?TheBigBean said:
I still have Lost Prophets CDs.kingstongraham said:
Do you think people who own Rolf Harris paintings still hang them on the wall?Ben6899 said:I think we need to decide if we’re upset with the subject or the creator.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That phrase sounds bad in this context!DeVlaeminck said:Well TOTP2 isn't likely to show Rolf doing Two Little Boys and I didn't catch Gary Glitter's Another Rock and Roll Christmas on the radio over the festive season so organisations do boycott works by known child abusers.
I can see why someone might want it removed and the arguments that applied to Colston would apply here.
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Jezyboy said:
The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?0 -
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I don't know what you mean Pross I capitalised the song title to avoid any confusion.Pross said:
That phrase sounds bad in this context!DeVlaeminck said:Well TOTP2 isn't likely to show Rolf doing Two Little Boys and I didn't catch Gary Glitter's Another Rock and Roll Christmas on the radio over the festive season so organisations do boycott works by known child abusers.
I can see why someone might want it removed and the arguments that applied to Colston would apply here.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Does it make you reconsider whether the laws as they stand are suitable given the Colston four acquittal?rjsterry said:
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?
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rjsterry said:
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?
I suppose an interesting hypothetical would be would there be a difference between a public sculpture of Jimmy Savile and (if he had done any) a sculpture by him. There are quite a few variables to consider, including depravity of crimes, the quality of the art, and the length of time since the crime.0 -
Not really. We don't know why they were acquitted so how would we know what to change? Anyway this was a statue of rather than by an a***hole put up as a bit of propaganda. I'd seriously question whether it counts as art.TheBigBean said:
Does it make you reconsider whether the laws as they stand are suitable given the Colston four acquittal?rjsterry said:
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
Not really. We don't know why they were acquitted so how would we know what to change? Anyway this was a statue of rather than by an a***hole put up as a bit of propaganda. I'd seriously question whether it counts as art.TheBigBean said:
Does it make you reconsider whether the laws as they stand are suitable given the Colston four acquittal?rjsterry said:
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?
Toppling statues of objectionable people has got quite a long history too.0 -
As the secret barrister has explained, it doesn't matter what the subject is as long as the would be destroyer feels it is offensive/criminal/can't remember. That might not have been the one that persuaded the jury, but it still feels a bit loose to me, and is likely to encourage more damage as we have seen recently.rjsterry said:
Not really. We don't know why they were acquitted so how would we know what to change? Anyway this was a statue of rather than by an a***hole put up as a bit of propaganda. I'd seriously question whether it counts as art.TheBigBean said:
Does it make you reconsider whether the laws as they stand are suitable given the Colston four acquittal?rjsterry said:
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?0 -
If you are up against jury of your peers it is always a good idea society at large is sympathetic to your cause or conviction awaits.0
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It's been the law for nearly 50 years. Why on earth would it suddenly need changing on the basis of one verdict which cannot set a precedent. People may try to use this defence, but they'd be a fool to think the Colston case changes anything.TheBigBean said:
As the secret barrister has explained, it doesn't matter what the subject is as long as the would be destroyer feels it is offensive/criminal/can't remember. That might not have been the one that persuaded the jury, but it still feels a bit loose to me, and is likely to encourage more damage as we have seen recently.rjsterry said:
Not really. We don't know why they were acquitted so how would we know what to change? Anyway this was a statue of rather than by an a***hole put up as a bit of propaganda. I'd seriously question whether it counts as art.TheBigBean said:
Does it make you reconsider whether the laws as they stand are suitable given the Colston four acquittal?rjsterry said:
This is very easy. If you remove all art produced by a***holes there is very little left.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:The separation of art and artist links into the middle topic through JK Rowling too.
I'll have to think about this a bit...
On the one hand, the Colston statue was celebrating Colston, the slave trader, whereas Gill's is a work of art about something else, and was a great artist/designer.
Would we have have to never use Gill Sans again?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Laws change all the time. The Colston case doesn't set a legal precedent, but it sets an example that it is possible to damage something and not face punishment. Would the guy who was having a go at the BBC statue have done so prior to the Colston case?0
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It always was possible. You'd have to ask the guy whether the Colston case influenced his actions. The idea that this is something new is just wrong. In 50 years of criminal damage convictions, you are suggesting that no-one has ever successfully used the 'lawful excuse' defence until now?TheBigBean said:Laws change all the time. The Colston case doesn't set a legal precedent, but it sets an example that it is possible to damage something and not face punishment. Would the guy who was having a go at the BBC statue have done so prior to the Colston case?
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Not at all. They have just brought it to the public's attention. This is the way laws change. They exist, sometimes for a while, there is an event which some people don't like then the laws change.rjsterry said:
It always was possible. You'd have to ask the guy whether the Colston case influenced his actions. The idea that this is something new is just wrong. In 50 years of criminal damage convictions, you are suggesting that no-one has ever successfully used the 'lawful excuse' defence until now?TheBigBean said:Laws change all the time. The Colston case doesn't set a legal precedent, but it sets an example that it is possible to damage something and not face punishment. Would the guy who was having a go at the BBC statue have done so prior to the Colston case?
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That's getting a bit silly now. Wonder what classic car enthusiasts who own MG Midgets are going to do to avoid offending anyone?DeVlaeminck said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
That's getting a bit silly now. Wonder what classic car enthusiasts who own MG Midgets are going to do to avoid offending anyone?DeVlaeminck said:
I sold mine. Saw this coming...Ben
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