Trek Emonda 2021
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I just ordered a 2021 SL6. They did raise the price. It is $3,299.00 The head tube is more like the Madone. The 56 is listed as weighing 18.18 lbs. It does have the the praxis T47 threaded bottom bracket. I got the charcoal grey. It looks awesome!. The bike is being shipped to San Diego from somewhere in CA. ( I didn’t ask where). I should have it next week.1
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So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
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In a couple of years the bike industry will suddenly launch a new lightweight craze and implore everyone to ditch their 1 year old, 8.5kg bikes for lighter models. They may even bring back rim brakes and celebrate their retro simplicity.ugo.santalucia said:So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
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I understand the aero argument and all, but ultimately a cyclist is rated in Watt/kg, so if you can reduce the kg part of it, being that from the body or the bike, that will have a non insignificant effect on most terrains. It seems bizarre that over the past few years prices have gone up and bikes have become lumps. I see you can still buy an Emonda Alloy frameset, which weighs 1.1 kg (frame only)... not the lightest frameset out there, but at £ 800 RRP it seems good value...joe_totale-2 said:
In a couple of years the bike industry will suddenly launch a new lightweight craze and implore everyone to ditch their 1 year old, 8.5kg bikes for lighter models. They may even bring back rim brakes and celebrate their retro simplicity.ugo.santalucia said:So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
Upwards and onwards
I have lazily looked around, but anything I am remotely interested in, comes with a 3,000 + price tag... and that's frame only... Dolan Tuono seems the only exceptionleft the forum March 20231 -
Life is complicated nowadays so it's nice to ride a bike that's still simple and can be repaired at home. Bikes are becoming more complex nowadays which is great for bike shops but not so good for us home mechanics, all this complexity adds weight as well.ugo.santalucia said:
I understand the aero argument and all, but ultimately a cyclist is rated in Watt/kg, so if you can reduce the kg part of it, being that from the body or the bike, that will have a non insignificant effect on most terrains. It seems bizarre that over the past few years prices have gone up and bikes have become lumps. I see you can still buy an Emonda Alloy frameset, which weighs 1.1 kg (frame only)... not the lightest frameset out there, but at £ 800 RRP it seems good value...joe_totale-2 said:
In a couple of years the bike industry will suddenly launch a new lightweight craze and implore everyone to ditch their 1 year old, 8.5kg bikes for lighter models. They may even bring back rim brakes and celebrate their retro simplicity.ugo.santalucia said:So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
Upwards and onwards
I have lazily looked around, but anything I am remotely interested in, comes with a 3,000 + price tag... and that's frame only... Dolan Tuono seems the only exception
Given that most of us aren't racing to any serious level, being aero is nice but it's not the be all and end all. What's more important is how a bike feels and if it's fun to ride, in my personal experience a light bike always feels nicer and is more enjoyable to ride than a heavier one.
Sure the light bike may not actually be any faster aside from on steep hills but at least you're having more fun on your ride.
Rose seem to still do lightweight bikes and that includes their disc brake models, they also don't charge crazy amounts for their bikes.
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... Agree entirely.
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mohammad.a.zaky said:
Hello guys,
Any news on Madone 2021 model? Also how often do Trek change shape in Madone and Emonda. I assume shape will be changed in mid 2021 model 2022.
Thank you
The Madone will be reworked next year.mohammad.a.zaky said:Hello guys,
Any news on Madone 2021 model? Also how often do Trek change shape in Madone and Emonda. I assume shape will be changed in mid 2021 model 2022.
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I am surprised they have reworked all the possible anagrams (Madone, Domane, Emonda), but they haven't come out with a Nomade Adventure bike...left the forum March 20230
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Looks like the pro version to me.brenr6 said:
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Don't know if this is of any interest...ugo.santalucia said:So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
Upwards and onwards
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road-bikes/race-bikes/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-frameset-electrical/1187.html?dwvar_1187_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK/RD
For £1k (frameset only) should build up to a very light hill climb bike. Being electrical, to get decent use out of it you'd have to spend some more dosh on di2 or sram .1 -
Don't know if this is of any interest...ugo.santalucia said:So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
Upwards and onwards
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road-bikes/race-bikes/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-frameset-electrical/1187.html?dwvar_1187_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK/RD
For £1k (frameset only) should build up to a very light hill climb bike. Being electrical, to get decent use out of it you'd have to spend some more dosh on di2 or sram .0 -
Just gotta hope that Ugo takes a 2XL frame!6wheels said:
Don't know if this is of any interest...ugo.santalucia said:So that's 8.3 kg for a bike that costs 2,500 GBP... probably more like £ 2,999 before it hits our shores...
In 2005 I bought a Specialized Allez that weighed 8.2 kg for £ 999...
Upwards and onwards
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road-bikes/race-bikes/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-frameset-electrical/1187.html?dwvar_1187_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK/RD
For £1k (frameset only) should build up to a very light hill climb bike. Being electrical, to get decent use out of it you'd have to spend some more dosh on di2 or sram .0 -
Wheelset weight has a big effect on feel.0
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Yes, but unless you go for carbon tubulars, they all weigh the same. It's very hard to get anything under 1400 grams in clincher flavour... and a more robust wheelset weighs 1600 or so.. hardly any difference and mostly in the hubs, where it doesn't even matterflorerider said:Wheelset weight has a big effect on feel.
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Absolutely!oli_admin said:The details are finally out, news story: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2021-trek-emonda/
2021 Trek Emonda SLR 9 eTap first ride review
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/trek-emonda-slr-9-etap-review/
2021 Trek Emonda SL 6 Pro review:
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/trek-emonda-sl-6-pro-review/
The SLs currently come with Bontrager Pro carbon bars and a Pro stem, no integration underneath the stem so it's very similar to how they did the madone SL7 with alloy bars as it has less integration overall when compared to the SLR.
Obviously the best thing about this bike is it now does have a threaded T47 BB which is nice if you like working on your own stuff although the faff has now moved from your BB to the headset.
Enjoying a first look at the Trek Emonda SL 7 SRAM Etap
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Used to be the case that upgrading components to make a lighter bike was a more expensive enterprise than buying a lighter bike, but now it seems we are back to the upgrade route... next thing might be a return of Drillium.
Managed to get my inexpensive Dolan Dual down to 7.9 kg, the equivalent would probably cost me 4 or 5 grand in today's mad market.left the forum March 20230 -
Well, when you think that 5k bike comes with force etap upgrading is a whole different world.ugo.santalucia said:Used to be the case that upgrading components to make a lighter bike was a more expensive enterprise than buying a lighter bike, but now it seems we are back to the upgrade route... next thing might be a return of Drillium.
Managed to get my inexpensive Dolan Dual down to 7.9 kg, the equivalent would probably cost me 4 or 5 grand in today's mad market.
P.S disclaimer because I feel for you- I ride an Emonda SL6 with C24 tubulars0 -
I've never put much value in expensive groupsets... I have a mix of 105 10 speed, ultegra 6700 cassette and Shimano XT derailleur... it's all pretty basic and works well. I wouldn't spend big money on something plush... the difference is insignificant and I'm not on the bike to experience the smoothest shifting... I'm there to kick those pedals and I'm happy with whatever works and comes with cheap spares.cruising_on_empty said:
Well, when you think that 5k bike comes with force etap upgrading is a whole different world.
P.S disclaimer because I feel for you- I ride an Emonda SL6 with C24 tubulars
Biggest weight saving I've done is the saddle... 59 quid for a Selle Italia SLR shifted half a pound... Supersonic inner tubes and TT tyres for race day did the rest.
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I am with you here ...... although it's even worse for me. I think the bike industry thinks I am a pariah! I happen to prefer a mechanical groupset with a properly engineered downshift as part of its make-up. But if you even mention its name you are looked at as a freak!ugo.santalucia said:The obsession for disc brakes and the fact that those buying increasingly expensive bikes have ever expanding waist lines and need "stronger" components to support them and ever more powerful brakes to stop them.
It's a shame, the Emonda was the frame of choice to build a proper light bike without spending 10 grand.
As a sub 70 kg guy with a relatively small wallet, I feel pretty much shunned by the market0 -
I have a feeling that the fork may be changed a bit. Will see!zest28 said:mohammad.a.zaky said:Hello guys,
Any news on Madone 2021 model? Also how often do Trek change shape in Madone and Emonda. I assume shape will be changed in mid 2021 model 2022.
Thank you
The Madone will be reworked next year.mohammad.a.zaky said:Hello guys,
Any news on Madone 2021 model? Also how often do Trek change shape in Madone and Emonda. I assume shape will be changed in mid 2021 model 2022.
Thank you0 -
So basically you have a small wallet and a huge chip on your shoulder. So anyone with more money than you is a fat idiot? You need to get a grip Ugo you’re a bitter old man.ugo.santalucia said:The obsession for disc brakes and the fact that those buying increasingly expensive bikes have ever expanding waist lines and need "stronger" components to support them and ever more powerful brakes to stop them.
It's a shame, the Emonda was the frame of choice to build a proper light bike without spending 10 grand.
As a sub 70 kg guy with a relatively small wallet, I feel pretty much shunned by the market
And just to throw your theory out the window. I’m about 63kg with an FTP of 3.7 w/kg and I’ve just dropped close to 8k on the parts for a new bike that has AXS, discs and deep section wheels.
On the subject of the new Emonda...I’ve seen three of them in my mates bike shop and they look incredible. Really eye catching in the flesh. The head tube/stem/fork area looks way better than the old model.
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So basically you have a small wallet and a huge chip on your shoulder. So anyone with more money than you is a fat idiot? You need to get a grip Ugo you’re a bitter old man.
And just to throw your theory out the window. I’m about 63kg with an FTP of 3.7 w/kg and I’ve just dropped close to 8k on the parts for a new bike that has AXS, discs and deep section wheels.
On the subject of the new Emonda...I’ve seen three of them in my mates bike shop and they look incredible. Really eye catching in the flesh. The head tube/stem/fork area looks way better than the old model.
I think you're completely wrong here.
I agree with Ugo, the manufacturers are just using new technology to line their wallets (by the way most of them are not owned by their original owners but by Venture Capitalists who are only interested in making money) and with the trend to cycling by those with plenty of cash it's a win win for them.
I do not have a small wallet but would not be spending the kind of money you are boasting about on that stuff but something special and personnal, that I wouldn't be selling at a considerable loss in a couple of years for the latest must have's!
With regard to the looks of the new Emonda, I think along with most of the new designs it looks awful. However beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so each to their own here I guess.
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It's all a bit handbags innit.thegreatdivide said:
So basically you have a small wallet and a huge chip on your shoulder. So anyone with more money than you is a fat idiot? You need to get a grip Ugo you’re a bitter old man.ugo.santalucia said:The obsession for disc brakes and the fact that those buying increasingly expensive bikes have ever expanding waist lines and need "stronger" components to support them and ever more powerful brakes to stop them.
It's a shame, the Emonda was the frame of choice to build a proper light bike without spending 10 grand.
As a sub 70 kg guy with a relatively small wallet, I feel pretty much shunned by the market
And just to throw your theory out the window. I’m about 63kg with an FTP of 3.7 w/kg and I’ve just dropped close to 8k on the parts for a new bike that has AXS, discs and deep section wheels.
On the subject of the new Emonda...I’ve seen three of them in my mates bike shop and they look incredible. Really eye catching in the flesh. The head tube/stem/fork area looks way better than the old model.
8 grand on parts ? Christ what's the full bike going to cost ?
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That's the whole lot. Frame, wheels, groupset etc. I know it's a hell of a lot, but I can afford it (just).fenix said:
8 grand on parts ? Christ what's the full bike going to cost ?
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Somehow it seems cheaper if you split the cost over the bits. Even if it isn't.
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That doesn't change things one bit. Manufacturers have decided to cater for heavier riders with deep pockets... if you weigh 63 kg, you could have probably got away with a lighter bike than the one you just invested 8 grand on, but you have to comply with the fat boys market.
In 2005 I bought an 8 kg bike from a major manufacturer for a grand, now the equivalent money (whatever that is ) doesn't buy you the same... it buys you something with disc brakes that weighs close to 9 kg, even if new technology means it would probably be possible to sell a 7 kg bike for that moneyleft the forum March 20230 -
Ugo, I agree with you entirely. However I’m not sure it is wise to keep referring to it as a fat boys market!0
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The bikes are offered for racing, that is why 2020 bikes are more aero. The 2021 Trek Emonda comes in at the UCI weight limit (6.8kg) so what the hell are you complaining about? Make it any lighter and you can't race it.ugo.santalucia said:That doesn't change things one bit. Manufacturers have decided to cater for heavier riders with deep pockets... if you weigh 63 kg, you could have probably got away with a lighter bike than the one you just invested 8 grand on, but you have to comply with the fat boys market.
In 2005 I bought an 8 kg bike from a major manufacturer for a grand, now the equivalent money (whatever that is ) doesn't buy you the same... it buys you something with disc brakes that weighs close to 9 kg, even if new technology means it would probably be possible to sell a 7 kg bike for that money
More aero + UCI weight limit = great climbing bike
Now if you are not strong / fast enough to take advantage of the aero benefit, then don't buy modern bikes and stick to your bikes of 2005.
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The claimed weight for the Emonda sl 6 disc pro ultegra is 7.8 kg so it's probably 8kg+!0
