The big Coronavirus thread
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I never mentioned internal Tory criticism so not sure where you got that from.mrb123 said:
As long as the main criticism of Boris's strategy is coming from those he defeated in the Tory leadership election rather than leading medical experts I'm fairly comfortable that he's taking a relatively sensible approach.surrey_commuter said:based upon a lot of anecdotal evidence there will be a lot of companies ignoring Boris and shutting their offices next week.
Doing the opposite of the rest of the world is a very high risk strategy - as a known lying untrustworthy censored it does feel like he is gambling for the sake of it
To clarify I was pointing out that the rest of the world (presumably based on expert opinion) is pursuing the opposite strategy. Also interesting that business and sport are ignoring him and siding with the rest of the world.0 -
Could do without my boss pressuring me to come in even though the firm has said it's up to us to WFH as much as we want.0
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Ignored that they had the virus for nearly a month and thus lost control of it?ddraver said:Switzerland has now 'done an Italy'
Or gone into shutdown?0 -
Not translated into English yet
https://www.swissinfo.ch/fre/pandémie_coronavirus--la-situation-en-suisse/45604062We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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there are a lot of people living in France doing a daily commute into Switzerlandddraver said:Switzerland has now 'done an Italy'
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Coronavirus fever has not yet reached Parkrun. All three of my local runs are still on tomorrow.0
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Doubt there's many wheezy pensioners massing for Parkruns thobut.0
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Called in local town supermarket to stock up on the vino, oh and some edibles as well, on way home.
All ok, bar the panic emptied sections which do not include wines, up until turned round the last aisle and there's this blxxdy wumman coughing and spluttering all over the shop. FFS. Would be unacceptable behaviour in normal times let alone current weirdness. Sharp about turn and exit the other way round. Hands washed on return of course.0 -
Clearly there was a risk. To be fair to him there was no quarantine zone in place and his main residence is in Malaga.elbowloh said:
So a potential carrier (bearing in mind it can take 5-14 days to become symptomatic) decided to be selfish and took himself to a new area outside of the quarantine zone. Marvellous.Stevo_666 said:Spot of anecdotal evidence from a mate who lives in Spain that things are not good there. A few days ago they had around 1,000 reported cases in Madrid alone and there was talk of quarantining Madrid, so he jumped on the first train down to Malaga where he has a small farm and is holed up there (and working remotely) for the foreseeable future. His only real problem is his old dear in the UK is pretty old and not in great shape and he feels (quite rightly) that he can't risk visiting.
This is how it fecking spreads."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
This Irish fella Dr Michael Ryan at the WHO is impressive.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
To be fair to Boris, following the advice of the people the Government pays to give advice on such matters doesn't really seem unreasonable. As I've asked above, why are people so sure we're doing it wrong rather than other countries?surrey_commuter said:based upon a lot of anecdotal evidence there will be a lot of companies ignoring Boris and shutting their offices next week.
Doing the opposite of the rest of the world is a very high risk strategy - as a known lying untrustworthy censored it does feel like he is gambling for the sake of it
On the offices closing, we've gone the opposite way and after a day of WFH for everyone today whilst the bosses took stock of the latest advice we're back to having the office open on Monday. That said, considering most of the office has spent time at Cheltenham Festival this week I'm not sure I want to go in.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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I think that's in line with what I heard another country had done. I can't remember which one, possibly France or Spain.tailwindhome said:Not sure if this is UK policy but..oh oh
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Mostly advisory stuff there, but banning gatherings of more than 100, no more than 50 in restaurants, including staff, etc. Unnecessary travel, especially abroad, discouraged.ddraver said:Not translated into English yet
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Looks like a farmer, speaks like a leadertailwindhome said:This Irish fella Dr Michael Ryan at the WHO is impressive.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
But that advice will not be unanimous and the rest of the world has received advice and done the opposite. We may be right and the rest of the world wrong but it is an incredibly arrogant assumption that most people would back away from and reassess their position.Pross said:
To be fair to Boris, following the advice of the people the Government pays to give advice on such matters doesn't really seem unreasonable. As I've asked above, why are people so sure we're doing it wrong rather than other countries?surrey_commuter said:based upon a lot of anecdotal evidence there will be a lot of companies ignoring Boris and shutting their offices next week.
Doing the opposite of the rest of the world is a very high risk strategy - as a known lying untrustworthy censored it does feel like he is gambling for the sake of it
On the offices closing, we've gone the opposite way and after a day of WFH for everyone today whilst the bosses took stock of the latest advice we're back to having the office open on Monday. That said, considering most of the office has spent time at Cheltenham Festival this week I'm not sure I want to go in.0 -
so do you think we can count him as thinking Boris is wrong.tailwindhome said:
Looks like a farmer, speaks like a leadertailwindhome said:This Irish fella Dr Michael Ryan at the WHO is impressive.
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But a politicians natural instinct is to act,to be seen to be doing something,anything regardless of how useful it actually is just to demonstrate how in control of things they are.
It must actually be very difficult for someone like Boris to say actually the advice weve got says timing is more critical to get this the best outcome we can have,and the best outcome is still alot of people will die, so note none of the things others are doing are ruled out,but when we reach that point is critical to get right.
And it has to be said there is no point in having governments fund research or expert advisors if all you do is copy what everyone else does anyway.
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This isn't ebola though is it?
Also, it turns out that Chris Whitty knows a thing or two about ebola himself...0 -
I agree with all of your points but still think it amazing that we have come to the opposite conclusion to the rest of the world. With the absence of extensive testing there has to be a massive risk that by the time our Govt acts it will be far too late.awavey said:But a politicians natural instinct is to act,to be seen to be doing something,anything regardless of how useful it actually is just to demonstrate how in control of things they are.
It must actually be very difficult for someone like Boris to say actually the advice weve got says timing is more critical to get this the best outcome we can have,and the best outcome is still alot of people will die, so note none of the things others are doing are ruled out,but when we reach that point is critical to get right.
And it has to be said there is no point in having governments fund research or expert advisors if all you do is copy what everyone else does anyway.0 -
Wouldn't necessarily say that.surrey_commuter said:so do you think we can count him as thinking Boris is wrong.
He was clear that societal buy in was crucial in successfully fighting the virus and it was a matter for each government to determine what would work in their country.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
There's a bit cut from before the clip where he says just that.mrb123 said:This isn't ebola though is it?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
but he is arguing that the most importantly thing is to act early and decisively. UK policy is to do nothing and keep the powder dry for when things get bad.tailwindhome said:
Wouldn't necessarily say that.surrey_commuter said:so do you think we can count him as thinking Boris is wrong.
He was clear that societal buy in was crucial in successfully fighting the virus and it was a matter for each government to determine what would work in their country.0 -
I don’t know the ins and outs but.surrey_commuter said:
I agree with all of your points but still think it amazing that we have come to the opposite conclusion to the rest of the world. With the absence of extensive testing there has to be a massive risk that by the time our Govt acts it will be far too late.awavey said:But a politicians natural instinct is to act,to be seen to be doing something,anything regardless of how useful it actually is just to demonstrate how in control of things they are.
It must actually be very difficult for someone like Boris to say actually the advice weve got says timing is more critical to get this the best outcome we can have,and the best outcome is still alot of people will die, so note none of the things others are doing are ruled out,but when we reach that point is critical to get right.
And it has to be said there is no point in having governments fund research or expert advisors if all you do is copy what everyone else does anyway.
I find it perfectly plausible that the RoW has received very similar advice to UK but RoW politicians have ignored it purely for reasons of perception and herd mentality.
Assuming the UK advice is the concensus expert opinion, I think it is quite admirable to ignore the crowd.
If it is simply ‘the advice I like the best’ amongst a sea of varied opinions then that is a slightly different matter.
We’ve seen what ill informed crowd mentality has done to the shops though so there is no shame in forging a different yet informed path.
Will have to wait and see.
I’m asthmatic, wife still rattles after breathing problems she picked up in October, mum late 70’s with all round ropey respiratory system and dad quite a weak 83 year old.
It has actually hit home that there is a real possibility one (or more) of us may quite possibly not see this one out.
Don’t get me wrong, not sat here panicking or anything and under no illusions parents don’t live forever. But the fact there is a tangible threat and the sensible thing is to not go and see them is quite frustrating.0 -
I went to see my mum in her new care home this afternoon. We went into to her bedroom to measure up for a piece of furniture that I had in the car before actually carrying it to the room. Yep, it will fit, so went back to the car outside to fetch it
As we came back through the door with said bit of furniture, they informed us that they'd shut!
We explained that we'd already been in to see mum, and just needed to drop 'this' off and so they let us in. Whilst we were there a nurse came round with a note for mum, explaining that they'd shut the doors to visitors in the near future as a precaution. She was upset when we left, because we are the last family she could see for some time.
We didn't tell her what the manager had told her, that one of the staff had developed cold-like symptoms and was being tested.
Feel bad putting her in there now. But I suppose it could have been worse, we went to her house each time expecting to find her fallen or something. Where she is, she's being looked after.
The older I get, the better I was.0
