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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-case-data-4-february-2022

    Latest data says that at time of reporting it was almost all Omicron but Omicron BA.2 more than doubled in a week (from a low base).
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited February 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Is there any reason to wear a mask if you have recently recovered from Omicron? Other than politeness, the only reason I can think of is if delta is still circulating.

    Having advocated mask wearing since March 2020, I think I might be about to cross to the other side. Omicron is sufficiently contagious and people's mask wearing ability sufficiently useless that I'm not sure it helps any more.

    I read something about a new omicron varient in I think it was Scandi that was causing people to get Omicron twice in short succession.

    Who knows.
    Posted this on Jan 25th - that is that new varient BA whatever
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    rick_chasey said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Is there any reason to wear a mask if you have recently recovered from Omicron? Other than politeness, the only reason I can think of is if delta is still circulating.

    Having advocated mask wearing since March 2020, I think I might be about to cross to the other side. Omicron is sufficiently contagious and people's mask wearing ability sufficiently useless that I'm not sure it helps any more.

    I read something about a new omicron varient in I think it was Scandi that was causing people to get Omicron twice in short succession.

    Who knows.
    Posted this on Jan 25th - that is that new varient BA whatever
    I remember getting a cold once - and then getting another cold shortly after...
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,739
    Hurrah, I should be able to cancel my pre-flight antigen test to get to France next Friday.

    https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2022/feb/08/france-greece-and-portugal-relax-covid-travel-restrictions-as-half-term-nears

    France also announced it would soon drop its requirement of a negative Covid test for vaccinated travellers from outside the EU, as daily infection numbers continue to fall.

    “We again required tests in December over the Omicron variant. In the coming days we will announce that tests are no longer needed for vaccinated people,” Europe minister Clément Beaune told France 2 television on Tuesday.

    Currently, anyone visiting France from outside the EU, including the UK, has to show a negative test result from the previous 48 hours, regardless of vaccination status.

    “This week there will probably be a new European protocol for vaccinated people arriving from outside the EU, with eased measures,” Beaune added.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,392
    So to those in the education sector, particularly those of you with concerns over ventilation, has the proposal to chop the bottom off doors to improve air circulation gained any traction with your building managers?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,739
    First.Aspect said:

    So to those in the education sector, particularly those of you with concerns over ventilation, has the proposal to chop the bottom off doors to improve air circulation gained any traction with your building managers?


    I'm struggling to see why slightly wedging doors open wouldn't be the better, and more easily reversible option.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,392
    briantrumpet said:

    First.Aspect said:

    So to those in the education sector, particularly those of you with concerns over ventilation, has the proposal to chop the bottom off doors to improve air circulation gained any traction with your building managers?


    I'm struggling to see why slightly wedging doors open wouldn't be the better, and more easily reversible option.
    You may not be the first to have suggested this, but then you aren't in charge of any countries, you haven't engaged with the fire and rescue services about mitigations that might be possible and so you shouldn't willfully misunderstand the proposal for political gain.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228


    Bit weird to do a lateral flow when you don't have 20 minutes to wait for the result?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:



    Bit weird to do a lateral flow when you don't have 20 minutes to wait for the result?
    I am very bad at reading instructions but even I knew that a result can take 30 mins.

    If tests were compulsory I would be pretty annoyed with somebody who did one on their way into a meeting
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    It's estimated that 1 in 13 in Northern Ireland had the virus last week. 145k

    There were apparently 9 people in ICU

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,812
    inews reporting that the ONS random sample survey is likely to be cancelled in April, along with free LFD tests being withdrawn. Because we have to save money, now that we've written off billions of Covid loan bad debts 🤪. The idiocy is quite breathtaking.
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  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 680
    First.Aspect said:

    So to those in the education sector, particularly those of you with concerns over ventilation, has the proposal to chop the bottom off doors to improve air circulation gained any traction with your building managers?

    Not heard of that one! We've got CO2 monitors as a proxy measure of ventilation; so many doors and windows permanently open that we often match the CO2 readings outside. Bloody freezing a lot of the time so we have extra heaters switched on; the leccy bill come April is going to be huge.

    My twice-weekly LFTs tell me I've still not caught it despite mixing with the kids and abandoning all mask wearing. Plus we've had close calls when both sons' partners caught it, but neither of the boys did, and somebody at a post-christmas family gathering went down with it 24 hours later but nobody else. I'm starting to feel quite complacent so that means I'll probably catch it now...
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    rjsterry said:

    inews reporting that the ONS random sample survey is likely to be cancelled in April, along with free LFD tests being withdrawn. Because we have to save money, now that we've written off billions of Covid loan bad debts 🤪. The idiocy is quite breathtaking.

    It doesn't obviously marry with the announcement about getting the waiting lists down.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,812
    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    inews reporting that the ONS random sample survey is likely to be cancelled in April, along with free LFD tests being withdrawn. Because we have to save money, now that we've written off billions of Covid loan bad debts 🤪. The idiocy is quite breathtaking.

    It doesn't obviously marry with the announcement about getting the waiting lists down.
    There was another document leaked about waiting lists which was apparently dire. Will see if I can find it.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/exclusive-leaked-nhs-report-shows-waiting-list-hitting-9-2-million

    Nearly one in six of us on a waiting list. 😦
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,392
    rjsterry said:

    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    inews reporting that the ONS random sample survey is likely to be cancelled in April, along with free LFD tests being withdrawn. Because we have to save money, now that we've written off billions of Covid loan bad debts 🤪. The idiocy is quite breathtaking.

    It doesn't obviously marry with the announcement about getting the waiting lists down.
    There was another document leaked about waiting lists which was apparently dire. Will see if I can find it.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/exclusive-leaked-nhs-report-shows-waiting-list-hitting-9-2-million

    Nearly one in six of us on a waiting list. 😦
    That's one for More or Less.

    First question, how many have been on a waiting list for less than target? Or put another way, how big would the number be expected to be.

    Even then I'm still struggling with one in 6 of the whole population being in line for medical treatment at the same time. Is that not very high? Perhaps I'm wrong.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Even private hospitals are rammed.
    Pensioners with money not spent on holidays faced with huge waiting lists have been getting stuff done privately.
    My own father has just had an essential op that he would have waited 2 years for on NHS. ( I can say with confidence he wouldn’t have lasted) Still waited 3 or 4 months going private and that was the reason given.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    I suspect a fair proportion of those on the waiting list are waiting for more than 1 procedure, which is the only way I can see for the stats to be reconciled because there’s no way 1 in 6 are truly waiting for treatment.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,812
    I think you are underestimating. The NHS used to carry out 330 hip replacements a day. That's 120,000 a year on just one procedure and in 2020 that dropped to 58000.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    It's predicted to go to 10m, currently at 6m.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,271
    No worries, we have the £350m per week not going to Brussels which we can spend on the NHS instead. Sorted.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,739
    Hurrah. I can cancel my test for travel next Friday.

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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    BBC News - New Zealand plays Barry Manilow to repel parliament protesters
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60362529

    Ha ha!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    It's been emotional


    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    mrb123 said:

    BBC News - New Zealand plays Barry Manilow to repel parliament protesters
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60362529

    Ha ha!

    The Copacabanacron variant: only attacks the central nerve systems of the unvaccinated.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,739
    I still wonder if the AZ vaccine had some property that the mRNA ones didn't. Or is it just that the bar for admittance to ICUs in the UK is much higher?


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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    briantrumpet said:

    I still wonder if the AZ vaccine had some property that the mRNA ones didn't. Or is it just that the bar for admittance to ICUs in the UK is much higher?


    I suspect that if you found a graph of ICU beds per head of population it might look very similar
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    edited February 2022
    surrey_commuter said:

    briantrumpet said:

    I still wonder if the AZ vaccine had some property that the mRNA ones didn't. Or is it just that the bar for admittance to ICUs in the UK is much higher?


    I suspect that if you found a graph of ICU beds per head of population it might look very similar


  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    darkhairedlord said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    briantrumpet said:

    I still wonder if the AZ vaccine had some property that the mRNA ones didn't. Or is it just that the bar for admittance to ICUs in the UK is much higher?


    I suspect that if you found a graph of ICU beds per head of population it might look very similar


    other than Italy that was not a bad guess
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    this is probably more relevant, if you can't get a bed in the first place you won't get to ICU:
    OECD Chart: Hospital beds, Total, Per 1 000 inhabitants, Annual, 2020
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,739
    darkhairedlord said:

    this is probably more relevant, if you can't get a bed in the first place you won't get to ICU:
    OECD Chart: Hospital beds, Total, Per 1 000 inhabitants, Annual, 2020


    "But Sweden!"

    Surprised to see them below the UK. There was an article in the Telegraph a couple of days ago still saying they thought they had "got it right" over covid restrictions.
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