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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    verylonglegs said:

    So the earliest I could book on Friday afternoon was the 4th Jan but now I'm somehow supposed to find one before that?

    I assume they will be adding thousands of slots but the website is too busy to check.
    Thousands??? They need to add millions!!!

    Did he say by the end of which month?

    It is a good idea but why set yourself up to fail? It just feels like he is talking sh1te to get himself through the next week and then will deal with the consequences after that.
    Yeah I mean thousands at every site. He did say by the end of Dec lol.
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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    Don't be mean, the first round of vaccinations just lowered his IQ. Not his fault.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    The health minister defending AZ and by proxy the 'success' of this Government

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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    tailwindhome said:

    The health minister defending AZ and by proxy the 'success' of this Government

    Isn't that one of these things in the past that we should just forget about and move onto more current issues?
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Not sure there's anything to defend unless you are daft enough to be surprised that an effective vaccine alone is not sufficient to overcome such a virus.

    On the other hand, waiting until the health service is already struggling before a mad rush to get boosters administered isn't so great.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    rjsterry said:

    Not sure there's anything to defend unless you are daft enough to be surprised that an effective vaccine alone is not sufficient to overcome such a virus.

    On the other hand, waiting until the health service is already struggling before a mad rush to get boosters administered isn't so great.

    I think the point here is the early reports that AZ offers less protection against Omicron than other vaccines

    So if you a country like, say the UK, that went big on AZ, you've a significant problem and a greater urgency to get protection from a Pfizer or Moderna jab
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    Re AZ - I think it really is too early to tell the significant outcome regarding omicron. I remember reading a report somewhere suggesting (I think) that the T-cell response could still hold up, to continue helping guard against serious illness, and that's what will really matter, and will show in the hospitalisation/death figures in time. As mentioned upthread, it's still looking positive on that front, though that obviously could change.
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  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    tailwindhome said:

    The health minister defending AZ and by proxy the 'success' of this Government

    If people can't see that the Oxford-Az vaccine has been an incredible success for the world, then they should hang their heads in shame. It has been deployed for a fraction of the price of Pfizer and in places where it would have been very to administer Pfizer.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Whilst many on here have no doubt experienced this before, I just received an 8.30am text to say the school is closed to all children. Nothing like a bit of warning.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    TheBigBean said:

    Whilst many on here have no doubt experienced this before, I just received an 8.30am text to say the school is closed to all children. Nothing like a bit of warning.

    Yep, got a call on Friday afternoon to pick my lad up straight away and he has to isolate until next Tuesday :#
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    The risk to a given individual has always been low. For most people, vaccines are about reducing the risk of passing covid on to more people, and stopping our underfunded health service from crashing and burning.

    That people have still not understood this is utterly baffling.
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    The health minister defending AZ and by proxy the 'success' of this Government

    If people can't see that the Oxford-Az vaccine has been an incredible success for the world, then they should hang their heads in shame. It has been deployed for a fraction of the price of Pfizer and in places where it would have been very to administer Pfizer.
    Those places have a problem now though, no?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    Be glad there are more clever people than you doing this stuff so you don't have to.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    You do realise that several of the standard childhood vaccines rely on boosters for their efficacy?
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  • longy
    longy Posts: 74
    longy said:

    I got my invite for a booster today. However, I'm going to wait for a couple of months to get it and use up my post infection immunity first.


    Changed my mind on that. Booster booked for Wednesday.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    pangolin said:

    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    The risk to a given individual has always been low. For most people, vaccines are about reducing the risk of passing covid on to more people, and stopping our underfunded health service from crashing and burning.

    That people have still not understood this is utterly baffling.
    That's because it's bollecks.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    First.Aspect said:

    pangolin said:

    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    The risk to a given individual has always been low. For most people, vaccines are about reducing the risk of passing covid on to more people, and stopping our underfunded health service from crashing and burning.

    That people have still not understood this is utterly baffling.
    That's because it's bollecks.
    To be fair, it was the reason given for why younger people needed to get jabbed.

    If vaccinated people can pass on the new variant of the virus to unvaccinated people more than before, the reduction in transmission must still be a major part of the reasoning, otherwise there wouldn't be a great reason for young people to get jabbed.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    The health minister defending AZ and by proxy the 'success' of this Government

    If people can't see that the Oxford-Az vaccine has been an incredible success for the world, then they should hang their heads in shame. It has been deployed for a fraction of the price of Pfizer and in places where it would have been very to administer Pfizer.
    Those places have a problem now though, no?
    No, you still aren't getting it.

    Pfizer is marginally better on one measure, after 6 months from a second jab. Both Pfizer and AZ are relatively poor on this measure, in comparison to Delta.

    So the actual position, by your terminology, is that everyone is screwed.

    The actual situation is more nuanced, because that one measure - antibody binding effectiveness - is only a part of the picture. It relates to the body's most immediate immune response but doesn't give a picture of prevention of severe illness and death.

    The likelihood is that individual risk if you get it is both lower than Delta, lower than if you aren't double jabbed, but at the se time that the population numbers of severe cases could still be much higher by virtue of vastly higher overall rates of infection.

    I'm finding all the "vaccines are shiit" posts (not by you necessarily) quite childish and unhelpful.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648


    Lol
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    pangolin said:



    Lol

    Seems bad timing:


  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    First.Aspect said:

    pangolin said:

    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    The risk to a given individual has always been low. For most people, vaccines are about reducing the risk of passing covid on to more people, and stopping our underfunded health service from crashing and burning.

    That people have still not understood this is utterly baffling.
    That's because it's bollecks.
    Go on?
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    So a quick dash to the walk in here to try and bag an earlier booster. Gigantic queues, and they are only admitting walk in jabs for 1st and 2nd jabs and not the 3rd booster.

    I think what's happened here is now the vaccine passport is coming in, lots of the students who didn't get vaccinated now are, and so they are at max capacity sorting those out.
    _
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rick_chasey said:

    So a quick dash to the walk in here to try and bag an earlier booster. Gigantic queues, and they are only admitting walk in jabs for 1st and 2nd jabs and not the 3rd booster.

    I think what's happened here is now the vaccine passport is coming in, lots of the students who didn't get vaccinated now are, and so they are at max capacity sorting those out.

    Kind of tallies with all of the proles up here when I was getting my booster. "O, a better get ma jag soo a dinnae get tha coovid."
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    rick_chasey said:

    So a quick dash to the walk in here to try and bag an earlier booster. Gigantic queues, and they are only admitting walk in jabs for 1st and 2nd jabs and not the 3rd booster.

    I think what's happened here is now the vaccine passport is coming in, lots of the students who didn't get vaccinated now are, and so they are at max capacity sorting those out.

    I know it is/was fashionable to blame the yoof, but students in my institution are doing remarkably well. Followed guidance well. Seem to be vaccinating well. Had much lower infection rates than the general scottish population (there is an incentive for them to report it). And this considering they were truly shafted by the pandemic.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    pangolin said:

    First.Aspect said:

    pangolin said:

    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🎶thick as shiiiiiiiit 🎵
    rjsterry said:

    mully79 said:

    im calling BS on vaccine boosters being proved effective. whats the sample size that has had enough time to prove being boosted is successful yet we dont know how dangerous Omnicron is ?
    Think im turning into a vaccinated anti-vaxxer.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ This is exhausting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2814

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e58d38-37d6-40cd-9d72-6b9bfd0a3683

    From the second link

    In a trial with 10,000 participants who had all completed a two-shot Pfizer regimen, half were randomised to receive a further equal-strength dose of the shot, and half a placebo. Five cases of Covid were registered in patients receiving the booster compared with 109 who were given a placebo.


    We've administered about 22 million and counting.
    5 of 10000 versus 109 of 10000. Quick give me a booster.

    In my randomised sample of 1 person, none of the test subjects who drank Stella everyday have contracted Corona.
    The risk to a given individual has always been low. For most people, vaccines are about reducing the risk of passing covid on to more people, and stopping our underfunded health service from crashing and burning.

    That people have still not understood this is utterly baffling.
    That's because it's bollecks.
    Go on?
    For most people it is about reducing the risk to themselves.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It was more an observation of who was in the queue and what the volunteers said tbf.
    _
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,365
    drhaggis said:

    rick_chasey said:

    So a quick dash to the walk in here to try and bag an earlier booster. Gigantic queues, and they are only admitting walk in jabs for 1st and 2nd jabs and not the 3rd booster.

    I think what's happened here is now the vaccine passport is coming in, lots of the students who didn't get vaccinated now are, and so they are at max capacity sorting those out.

    I know it is/was fashionable to blame the yoof, but students in my institution are doing remarkably well. Followed guidance well. Seem to be vaccinating well. Had much lower infection rates than the general scottish population (there is an incentive for them to report it). And this considering they were truly shafted by the pandemic.

    I think that's been the case at Exeter too - the university have really been pushing it. Pretty consistently the 40-59yo age group has had higher rates of infection for some while, which might well be as that cohort was vaccinated earlier, and have school-age children.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Plus they were last to be vaccinated so makes sense there’s a backlog
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    surrey_commuter said:

    Can somebody explain what difference moving into level 4 will make

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