TDF 2019, Stage 14: Tarbes > Tourmalet Barèges 20/07/2019 - 117,5 km *Spoilers*

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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    the article don wrote:
    Out of curiosity, what drug is it people think Alaphilippe is taking?

    And well done Peanut

    the same as sky were when they won everything - you know, marginal gains: taking their own mattresses to races, washing their hands all the time, the chefs using lots of aubergines.

    or perhaps its just alaphilippe's year because he's worked damn hard over the past few years for it and Ineos are cracking apart as these are wont to.

    #skyfanhypocrits

    Hello, sailor

    Hi Skipper, how ya doin'? All good?

    Yep, enjoying a great Tour
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • B3rnieMac
    B3rnieMac Posts: 384
    john1967 wrote:
    A mediocre rider suddenly becomes an incredible GC rider dropping some of the world's best climbers???
    Quite frankly it stinks.

    Glad to see you finally got around to watching the 2011 vuelta, john!
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    edited July 2019
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    the article don wrote:
    Out of curiosity, what drug is it people think Alaphilippe is taking?

    And well done Peanut

    the same as sky were when they won everything - you know, marginal gains: taking their own mattresses to races, washing their hands all the time, the chefs using lots of aubergines.

    or perhaps its just alaphilippe's year because he's worked damn hard over the past few years for it and Ineos are cracking apart as these are wont to.

    #skyfanhypocrits

    Hello, sailor

    Hi Skipper, how ya doin'? All good?

    Yep, enjoying a great Tour



    Cool - must admit that it is a good 'un - bit of a change from the norm.

    good to see a shake up of the old routine - be intriguing to see what happens next few days.

    #racin'
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,493
    I see that Geraint used Adam's post race interview notes as he wouldn't need them.
    Eh, um, yeah.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    redvision wrote:
    For me this tour has all the hallmarks of last year's giro.
    Froome written off by the second week, but sky had been riding to peak in week 3.

    I can see it happening again, only with G not froome of course.
    Alaphilippe may look strong now, but so did Yates last year.
    Personally for this movie I'm going to cast Kruijswijk in the role of Froome, Thomas in the role of Dumoulin, Alaphilippe as Yates and Pinot as Pinot.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Bumo_b wrote:
    Question is do I cash out on my bet on Jules A now and keep a tidy profit or risk it till the end? He was on the limit today, but they all were.
    It depends on the numbers.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Bumo_b
    Bumo_b Posts: 211
    £5 at 110 to 1, to cash out at just over £180 today
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Bumo_b wrote:
    £5 at 110 to 1, to cash out at just over £180 today
    So they're offering a win at 35-1 but he's evens currently, so a that would equate to a £280 pay-out.

    However, I think Evens is nonsense and he should be nearer 2-1 so it looks like value to me. So I'd cash out

    But that's an insurance pricing analyst's view. My gambler's view is, if you don't need the money let it ride. But beware, I had Kruijswijk at 150-1 for the 2016 Giro and didn't cash out. Then he crashed.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Bearing in mind this guy has literally been riding in lead outs for Viviani earlier in the race.
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    Having always though that Pinot had a mean thug's face it was delightful to see him beaming on the podium. What a cool ride.


    Also, Bernal new Poels?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2019
    Delete - goddamn double posts
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    ddraver wrote:

    .[/u][/u][/u]..Thing is though...

    He's 25. We don't really know what sort of rider he is yet.

    What were the last...oh...7 (!?!) TdF winners winning when they were 25?

    I havent looked but I'm assuming Cuddles was still an MTBer then...

    Edit - Forgot about Nibbles, 6/7 TdF winners then...
    He's not 25, he's 27.

    At that age Froome had won a Vuelta (in retrospect) and been 2nd and 4th in other GTs
    Nibali had won the Vuelta with three other GT podiums
    Andy Schleck had a Tour win and three GT second places
    Alberto Contador had won four Grand Tours
    Nairo Quitana had two GT wins and four other podiums.
    Evans, Wiggins and Thomas had been World Champions at other cycling formats.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    RichN95 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:

    .[/u][/u][/u]..Thing is though...

    He's 25. We don't really know what sort of rider he is yet.

    What were the last...oh...7 (!?!) TdF winners winning when they were 25?

    I havent looked but I'm assuming Cuddles was still an MTBer then...

    Edit - Forgot about Nibbles, 6/7 TdF winners then...
    He's not 25, he's 27.

    At that age Froome had won a Vuelta (in retrospect) and been 2nd and 4th in other GTs
    Nibali had won the Vuelta with three other GT podiums
    Andy Schleck had a Tour win and three GT second places
    Alberto Contador had won four Grand Tours
    Nairo Quitana had two GT wins and four other podiums.
    Evans, Wiggins and Thomas had been World Champions at other cycling formats.
    Fair point although Alaphilippe is 27 years and one month. Froome was 26 years and 5 months when he appeared from nowhere to go toe to toe with the doped up Cobo. He was older than Alaphilippe is now when he got the other GC results you mention.
    On the other hand, didn't Nibali also win the Giro before he was 27?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Fair point although Alaphilippe is 27 years and one month. Froome was 26 years and 5 months when he appeared from nowhere to go toe to toe with the doped up Cobo. He was older than Alaphilippe is now when he got the other GC results you mention.
    On the other hand, didn't Nibali also win the Giro before he was 27?
    OK fair enough. Alaphilippe, it must be said had to struggle through the French youth system, which can't possibly compete with the Kenyan powerhouse. It's like I tell my cousin who went to Eton*, he never had the advantages that a failing inner-city comprehensive provide.


    *My cousin genuinely went to Eton
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    In one respect Thomas had a better day: It's the first Saturday that he didn't crash.
    :lol::lol:
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Oh well we'd had a quite a few stages before the drug talk started in earnest this year...

    The fish started it, honest.

    Talk tope not dope.
    Twitter: @canocola @thedreadships
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    Having just seen bbc weather forecast, i think this race will be decided by the weather. 40+ degrees in central France next week.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    This quote from Movistar manager Eusebio Unzué made me chuckle.

    "We knew this strategy would give us a real measure of how we’re going, and we’ve found that out."
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    Yes I wondered if the extreme weather protocol might be close to coming into play - I don't suppose it will given this is the TDF but 40 degree heat has to have a huge affect.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    RichN95 wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    For me this tour has all the hallmarks of last year's giro.
    Froome written off by the second week, but sky had been riding to peak in week 3.

    I can see it happening again, only with G not froome of course.
    Alaphilippe may look strong now, but so did Yates last year.
    Personally for this movie I'm going to cast Kruijswijk in the role of Froome, Thomas in the role of Dumoulin, Alaphilippe as Yates and Pinot as Pinot.

    post of the tour mate
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Yes I wondered if the extreme weather protocol might be close to coming into play - I don't suppose it will given this is the TDF but 40 degree heat has to have a huge affect.

    worried about the crowds. thankfully it's way cooler at altitude whee they will collect on mass. the worset stages will be the Gap and Nimes one.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Alaphillipe's stage yesterday was unbelievably strong, riding away from Thomas then Bernal. In races gone by, folks would question his shredded wheat so is it only a matter of time before the French public start spitting and throwing piss bags?
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Can anyone explain why it's a surprise that the reigning King of the Mountains does well on a mountain stage. Surely choosing to climb with a GC group rather than a breakaway is a matter of team tactics rather than inherent ability?
  • Bumo_b
    Bumo_b Posts: 211
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Bearing in mind this guy has literally been riding in lead outs for Viviani earlier in the race.

    You mean he will be tired, or going on top form?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,718
    mrfpb wrote:
    Can anyone explain why it's a surprise that the reigning King of the Mountains does well on a mountain stage. Surely choosing to climb with a GC group rather than a breakaway is a matter of team tactics rather than inherent ability?

    Cos doping!! Wahhhh!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Oh well we'd had a quite a few stages before the drug talk started in earnest this year...

    The fish started it, honest.

    Talk tope not dope.

    1504015733_876774_1504016078_noticia_normal.jpg

    Amen. Talk tope not dope.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    mididoctors wrote:
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Yes I wondered if the extreme weather protocol might be close to coming into play - I don't suppose it will given this is the TDF but 40 degree heat has to have a huge affect.

    worried about the crowds. thankfully it's way cooler at altitude whee they will collect on mass. the worset stages will be the Gap and Nimes one.

    It's not forecast to be the that hot in Hautes-Alpes, and it better not be because I'm already a little apprehensive about cycling 3 litres of water up the Galibier.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    FocusZing wrote:
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Oh well we'd had a quite a few stages before the drug talk started in earnest this year...

    The fish started it, honest.

    Talk tope not dope.

    1504015733_876774_1504016078_noticia_normal.jpg

    Amen. Talk tope not dope.
    Looks like the hookers bra from total recall.
  • ShutupJens
    ShutupJens Posts: 1,373
    DeadCalm wrote:
    This quote from Movistar manager Eusebio Unzué made me chuckle.

    "We knew this strategy would give us a real measure of how we’re going, and we’ve found that out."

    When I was racing, if I was sat in the bunch not struggling to hold on or anything, I used to attack to see how the legs felt, usually within the first quarter or so of the race. If I was going well I might stay out for a few miles, if I was going badly I would get caught and often shelled fairly soon after

    It won't surprise many people to know that my best results started to come when I stopped doing that
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Bearing in mind this guy has literally been riding in lead outs for Viviani earlier in the race.

    This.

    These are not the actions of a rider who is thinking of saving energy for the third week of a back loaded tour.

    And it's not like the team has been selected to support him in the mountains. That may change for next year.

    I agree with others that at some point he will pop. If A doesn't then because of the sports history questions should rightly be asked

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