TDF 2019, Stage 13: Pau > Pau 19/07/2019 - 27,2 km ITT *Spoilers*

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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,474
    gsk82 wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    Does cycling not have an "honest effort" rule for TTs? In athletics, if you're entered in a competition you can be sanctioned for not putting in honest effort (e.g. if you enter 800m and 1500m heats, qualify in both for the finals, you're not allowed to just drop out of one of the finals to concentrate on the other because it suits you). I appreciate, cycling is more of a team sport than that though, and it would be very difficult to enforce.


    Theres a time limit based on the winners time. Since he's clearly taking the wee-wee, i hope he ends up missing the time limit.
    Yeah, i suppose the cut off time is broadly the equivalent. Still allows a rider who is a strong tt'er to cruise around though.
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  • FocusZing
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    The riders who have finished are all talking about the climbing, looking good for Alaphilippe.
  • daninexile wrote:
    For some reason I really fancy Asgreen for tomorrow.

    I like Asgreen but he seems to have done a lot of work on the front of the peloton in last 12 days. And if Van Aert can win it after contesting sprint stages and generally being in the mix, then he bloody well deserves it.
    I fancy Lampaert.

    Rather off the mark there by the looks of it!
  • blazing_saddles
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    FocusZing wrote:
    The riders who have finished are all talking about the climbing, looking good for Alaphilippe.

    Asgreen reckoning on a GC man winning it. One thing for sure, it's going to significantly impact the GC.

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  • Pross
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    Interesting point by Millar regarding the lack of opportunity to recce the course because it was being used by the women's race.
  • richard_t._biscuit
    richard_t._biscuit Posts: 246
    edited July 2019
    larkim wrote:
    Does cycling not have an "honest effort" rule for TTs? In athletics, if you're entered in a competition you can be sanctioned for not putting in honest effort (e.g. if you enter 800m and 1500m heats, qualify in both for the finals, you're not allowed to just drop out of one of the finals to concentrate on the other because it suits you). I appreciate, cycling is more of a team sport than that though, and it would be very difficult to enforce.
    The race is full of riders with different motivations and goals. If you had an honest effort rule pretty much every rider would be penalised because not making an honest effort quite a of the time as it's a key component of the race/sport. You have the time cut which sets an acceptable limit, but that's as far as it goes. I don't see why the TT should be any different.
  • larkim
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    Pross wrote:
    Interesting point by Millar regarding the lack of opportunity to recce the course because it was being used by the women's race.
    If only that had been the case for the Dauphine...
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  • FocusZing wrote:
    The riders who have finished are all talking about the climbing, looking good for Alaphilippe.
    Talking about the heat too. A bad day could turn into a really bad day.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    larkim wrote:
    Does cycling not have an "honest effort" rule for TTs? In athletics, if you're entered in a competition you can be sanctioned for not putting in honest effort (e.g. if you enter 800m and 1500m heats, qualify in both for the finals, you're not allowed to just drop out of one of the finals to concentrate on the other because it suits you). I appreciate, cycling is more of a team sport than that though, and it would be very difficult to enforce.
    The race is full of riders with different motivations and goals. If you had an honest effort rule pretty much every rider would be penalised because not making an honest effort quite a of the time as it's a key component of the race/sport. You have the time cut which sets an acceptable limit, but that's as far as it goes. I don't see why the TT should be any different.

    Agree with this. Also isn't the honest effort thing to do with giving paying patrons their money's worth? Not an issue here. If it's about betting instead, anyone putting money on cycling without looking at the tactical and strategic situation is a fool.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,684
    larkim wrote:
    Does cycling not have an "honest effort" rule for TTs? In athletics, if you're entered in a competition you can be sanctioned for not putting in honest effort (e.g. if you enter 800m and 1500m heats, qualify in both for the finals, you're not allowed to just drop out of one of the finals to concentrate on the other because it suits you). I appreciate, cycling is more of a team sport than that though, and it would be very difficult to enforce.
    The race is full of riders with different motivations and goals. If you had an honest effort rule pretty much every rider would be penalised because not making an honest effort quite a of the time as it's a key component of the race/sport. You have the time cut which sets an acceptable limit, but that's as far as it goes. I don't see why the TT should be any different.

    Agree with this. Also isn't the honest effort thing to do with giving paying patrons their money's worth? Not an issue here. If it's about betting instead, anyone putting money on cycling without looking at the tactical and strategic situation is a fool.

    Yes, but that "fool" is running the TDF PTP ;)
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,786
    Nelson Oliveira 10 secs up on Mohoric who was already ahead of Asgreen. Fast start
  • RichN95.
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    Pross wrote:
    Interesting point by Millar regarding the lack of opportunity to recce the course because it was being used by the women's race.
    Maybe a big advantage for Ineos. Nicolas Portal lives in Pau so has probably ridden it 100 times.
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  • blazing_saddles
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    Oliviera new fastest at the checkpoint by 3 and a bit seconds.
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  • RichN95.
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    I'm not watching on TV. Can anyone confirm whether Tony Martin bothered to change out of his pajamas.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 73,201
    We’re at the “thick-thighed” part of GC.
  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
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    WVA, the favourite in many eyes, sets off... Time to see if we believe the hype!
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  • Bardet apparently talking about changing bikes* for one of the climbs.

    *Which should not be allowed.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Oliveira does not best Asgreen's time.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Bardet apparently talking about changing bikes* for one of the climbs.

    *Which should not be allowed.


    Generated one of the more amusing exchanges of the Tour coverage though, if I can trust my hearing;

    "What do you think of that, David?"
    "It's insane."
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Bardet apparently talking about changing bikes* for one of the climbs.

    *Which should not be allowed.

    It does seem unfair how he could be on the ragged tip of his TT bike, then switch to his super light 2nd bike.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,480
    RichN95 wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Interesting point by Millar regarding the lack of opportunity to recce the course because it was being used by the women's race.
    Maybe a big advantage for Ineos. Nicolas Portal lives in Pau so has probably ridden it 100 times.

    They released the route months ago. Everyone has had chance to recce it. I think Thomas said he'd done it 3 times. Any gc contender who hasn't has no grounds for complaint... but the French will still complain
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  • gsk82
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    FocusZing wrote:
    Bardet apparently talking about changing bikes* for one of the climbs.

    *Which should not be allowed.

    It does seem unfair how he could be on the ragged tip of his TT bike, then switch to his super light 2nd bike.

    It's not unfair if everyone has that option
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    gsk82 wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Bardet apparently talking about changing bikes* for one of the climbs.

    *Which should not be allowed.

    It does seem unfair how he could be on the ragged tip of his TT bike, then switch to his super light 2nd bike.

    It's not unfair if everyone has that option

    True.
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,574
    If you left it until yesterday or today to recce a course then you’re a dick.
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Gweeds wrote:
    If you left it until yesterday or today to recce a course then you’re a dick.

    How about if you left before the TT even started?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,117
    Gweeds wrote:
    If you left it until yesterday or today to recce a course then you’re a dick.

    Millar made the point that until the barriers are out you can't do a proper recce as you don't know how they'll mark up roundabouts and junctions (plus the roads being open to traffic won't help) so whilst you might get a good idea of the terrain etc. it doesn't fully prepare you for racing it.
  • larkim
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  • gweeds
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    Double dick (if you left before it began)

    Point taken about Millar but this is the Tour. If you’re serious you’d have at least been on the roads no?
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • Pross
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    Gweeds wrote:
    Double dick (if you left before it began)

    Point taken about Millar but this is the Tour. If you’re serious you’d have at least been on the roads no?

    Of course, and I'm sure most who are hoping for GC or a stage win would have done it. It's more the case that no-one has had a chance to ride it in race mode.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Van Aert -25 at the 2nd intermediate.
    Correlation is not causation.