Arts Quiz

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

briantrumpet

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

The degree of technical skill involved in its execution is not the sole or even the principle source of value of a piece of art.

True. But by the same token a key irritation of mine is being told why one should appreciate something.

Its art. It's completely nd utterly subjective.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

Do I keep missing the point of the Teign Valley? I usually ycle along from Mortonhampstead to Finlake and in my normal state of being semi delirious with fatigue because of the Dartmoor leg, I barely see any houses along there, let alone pubs.

Where are all the pubs?

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

Do I keep missing the point of the Teign Valley? I usually ycle along from Mortonhampstead to Finlake and in my normal state of being semi delirious with fatigue because of the Dartmoor leg, I barely see any houses along there, let alone pubs.

Where are all the pubs?

That's not the Teign Valley... that's the next one over. But you'd only see one from the Teign Valley... the rest are snuggled away in their villages off the main road. The Nobody Inn in Doddy used to have a ridiculous number of malts of various ages.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

Do I keep missing the point of the Teign Valley? I usually ycle along from Mortonhampstead to Finlake and in my normal state of being semi delirious with fatigue because of the Dartmoor leg, I barely see any houses along there, let alone pubs.

Where are all the pubs?

That's not the Teign Valley... that's the next one over. But you'd only see one from the Teign Valley... the rest are snuggled away in their villages off the main road. The Nobody Inn in Doddy used to have a ridiculous number of malts of various ages.

I mentally skipped the Doccome climb and descent. That feels flat after Dartmoor.

I suppose I should explore a bit more.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

Do I keep missing the point of the Teign Valley? I usually ycle along from Mortonhampstead to Finlake and in my normal state of being semi delirious with fatigue because of the Dartmoor leg, I barely see any houses along there, let alone pubs.

Where are all the pubs?

That's not the Teign Valley... that's the next one over. But you'd only see one from the Teign Valley... the rest are snuggled away in their villages off the main road. The Nobody Inn in Doddy used to have a ridiculous number of malts of various ages.

I mentally skipped the Doccome climb and descent. That feels flat after Dartmoor.

I suppose I should explore a bit more.

Give me a shout if you ever want ideas for routes.

rjsterry

briantrumpet said:

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

Thanks, Brian. Will note this down for my holiday in August.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

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rjsterry said:

briantrumpet said:

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

Can I go for 15th century?

You certainly can... might be 14th C, but right era. I absolutely love this little snapshot of silliness from so long ago.

If you ever want to do a tour of small churches just west of Exeter, Ashton, Doddiscombesleigh, Bridford and Hennock would more than fill a day, with plenty of really good pubs in the Teign Valley for lunch or evening beer/meal.

Do I keep missing the point of the Teign Valley? I usually ycle along from Mortonhampstead to Finlake and in my normal state of being semi delirious with fatigue because of the Dartmoor leg, I barely see any houses along there, let alone pubs.

Where are all the pubs?

That's not the Teign Valley... that's the next one over. But you'd only see one from the Teign Valley... the rest are snuggled away in their villages off the main road. The Nobody Inn in Doddy used to have a ridiculous number of malts of various ages.

I mentally skipped the Doccome climb and descent. That feels flat after Dartmoor.

I suppose I should explore a bit more.

Give me a shout if you ever want ideas for routes.

Been going for years - lived there for a year, although a long time ago. I'm normally working remotely when I visit these days so know more 40-100km routes than I have time to ride!! Might give you a shout for a social ride one day though.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

The degree of technical skill involved in its execution is not the sole or even the principle source of value of a piece of art.

True. But by the same token a key irritation of mine is being told why one should appreciate something.

Its art. It's completely nd utterly subjective.

On one level, sure. But I do think people confuse whether they like something as being the same as whether it is any good.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

The degree of technical skill involved in its execution is not the sole or even the principle source of value of a piece of art.

True. But by the same token a key irritation of mine is being told why one should appreciate something.

Its art. It's completely nd utterly subjective.

On one level, sure. But I do think people confuse whether they like something as being the same as whether it is any good.

Is your definition of good a lot of people liking it or highly qualified people liking it or something else?

First.Aspect

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

The degree of technical skill involved in its execution is not the sole or even the principle source of value of a piece of art.

True. But by the same token a key irritation of mine is being told why one should appreciate something.

Its art. It's completely nd utterly subjective.

On one level, sure. But I do think people confuse whether they like something as being the same as whether it is any good.

Is your definition of good a lot of people liking it or highly qualified people liking it or something else?

Exactly.

Fwiw, because of how I'm wired I find a lot of architecture and civil engineering quite artistically pleasing.

Not the Barbican, obviously.

focuszing723

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

The degree of technical skill involved in its execution is not the sole or even the principle source of value of a piece of art.

True. But by the same token a key irritation of mine is being told why one should appreciate something.

Its art. It's completely nd utterly subjective.

On one level, sure. But I do think people confuse whether they like something as being the same as whether it is any good.

Is your definition of good a lot of people liking it or highly qualified people liking it or something else?

That’s not quite what I was getting at. More the idea that good art is 'nice'. Francis Bacon's most famous work is certainly not nice or beautiful. A lot of it is downright disturbing. Otto Dix's work is also pretty uncomfortable viewing. Guernica is a painting of a war crime. These are not paintings to decorate a room. They are not pleasing.

rjsterry

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

It's very pretty but has little to do with art.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

It's very pretty but has little to do with art.

Why?

I've seen a Hewey helecopter, an E-Type jaguar and a Ferrari 640 F1 car in various art galleries over the years.

masjer

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

It's very pretty but has little to do with art.

Why?

I've seen a Hewey helecopter, an E-Type jaguar and a Ferrari 640 F1 car in various art galleries over the years.

A urinal, a pile of bricks and an unmade bed have made in there too, so anything goes.

First.Aspect

masjer said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

It's very pretty but has little to do with art.

Why?

I've seen a Hewey helecopter, an E-Type jaguar and a Ferrari 640 F1 car in various art galleries over the years.

A urinal, a pile of bricks and an unmade bed have made in there too, so anything goes.

Or 100 poodles guarding a baby. Or a giant fabric vagina. Etc.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

It's very pretty but has little to do with art.

Why?

I've seen a Hewey helecopter, an E-Type jaguar and a Ferrari 640 F1 car in various art galleries over the years.

It's not about whether you think it's nice. It's great industrial design, but I don't think it's got much to do with art. There was a Fiat that ripped off Lucio Fontana's slashed canvases.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

It's very pretty but has little to do with art.

Why?

I've seen a Hewey helecopter, an E-Type jaguar and a Ferrari 640 F1 car in various art galleries over the years.

It's not about whether you think it's nice. It's great industrial design, but I don't think it's got much to do with art. There was a Fiat that ripped off Lucio Fontana's slashed canvases.

What makes you think industrial design and sculpture are exclusive of one another?

There are plenty of other ways to arrange two seats and an engine in a car that are different in appearance. The beautification of that Lambo requires artistic input.

I've seen a entire gallery of architects models in the MoMa. Does someone need to have a word with the curator?

rjsterry

Yes. Architects' models aren't art. Architecture isn't sculpture. Goodness knows why the RA has a room full of beautifully made sales material at the Summer Exhibition, either. We're not sculptors or artists. That's not to say there isn't some cross fertilisation but it's an entirely different discipline.

Good design needs to meet the Vitruvian principles - Firmitas Utilitas Venustas. This was worked out at least 2,000 years ago. Good art does not have to meet any of them, but does, I think need to communicate something - an idea, emotion, whatever. The really good stuff communicates something profound.

focuszing723

There isn't a great skill in reproduction of vision, but it has something.

focuszing723

I'm not normally keen on fannying about with creativity for creativity’s sake.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

Yes. Architects' models aren't art. Architecture isn't sculpture. Goodness knows why the RA has a room full of beautifully made sales material at the Summer Exhibition, either. We're not sculptors or artists. That's not to say there isn't some cross fertilisation but it's an entirely different discipline.

It is a different discipline but you are either thinking too rigidly or doing yourself down. Not sure which.

The gallery in question didn't necessarily include winning proposals, I have to add. More a bunch of proposals that might not have been buildable.

But some of the design elements, roofs, lighting, motifs etc were unquestionably artistic.

focuszing723

Mondrians too, and I don't think it's just La Vie Claire related.

kingstongraham

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

Looks like a wide mouthed frog.

First.Aspect

kingstongraham said:

focuszing723 said:

If you don't appreciate that, then you should pitch up a tent and put some squiggles in it.

Looks like a wide mouthed frog.

They did actually do a version with eyelashes.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

Yes. Architects' models aren't art. Architecture isn't sculpture. Goodness knows why the RA has a room full of beautifully made sales material at the Summer Exhibition, either. We're not sculptors or artists. That's not to say there isn't some cross fertilisation but it's an entirely different discipline.

Sometimes it is useful to reach for the dictionary.

a. The conscious use of the imagination in the production of objects intended to be contemplated or appreciated as beautiful, as in the arrangement of forms, sounds, or words.

If your intent is an ugly building that no one would want to look at, then fair do's you're no artist, but there are plenty of buildings that have been built to be appreciated as beautiful. Many religious buildings are obvious examples, but so too are the less obvious ones such as the Barbican - why else did they spend so long roughing up the edges?

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

Yes. Architects' models aren't art. Architecture isn't sculpture. Goodness knows why the RA has a room full of beautifully made sales material at the Summer Exhibition, either. We're not sculptors or artists. That's not to say there isn't some cross fertilisation but it's an entirely different discipline.

It is a different discipline but you are either thinking too rigidly or doing yourself down. Not sure which.

The gallery in question didn't necessarily include winning proposals, I have to add. More a bunch of proposals that might not have been buildable.

But some of the design elements, roofs, lighting, motifs etc were unquestionably artistic.

I think designers are certainly influenced by art - they don't teach the two side by side for nothing - and we use some of the same 'tools', but designers are doing something fundamentally different from artists. That's not to say that designers can't also create art or artists design. I'm also not putting one above the other.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

Yes. Architects' models aren't art. Architecture isn't sculpture. Goodness knows why the RA has a room full of beautifully made sales material at the Summer Exhibition, either. We're not sculptors or artists. That's not to say there isn't some cross fertilisation but it's an entirely different discipline.

It is a different discipline but you are either thinking too rigidly or doing yourself down. Not sure which.

The gallery in question didn't necessarily include winning proposals, I have to add. More a bunch of proposals that might not have been buildable.

But some of the design elements, roofs, lighting, motifs etc were unquestionably artistic.

I think designers are certainly influenced by art - they don't teach the two side by side for nothing - and we use some of the same 'tools', but designers are doing something fundamentally different from artists. That's not to say that designers can't also create art or artists design. I'm also not putting one above the other.

I would say that were a designer is able, whilst achieving an intended function, to exercise aesthetic freedom, this becomes artistic.

It is so different to an artist composing something that is intended for a particular setting, such as a mural, a carving within a church or a stained glass window?