Arts Quiz

briantrumpet

Neither Italian nor Persian.

rjsterry

You're going to have to give us a bit more to go on, BT.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

You're going to have to give us a bit more to go on, BT.

Much nearer home, and this is just a fragment of something that was the norm at the time, but has largely been obliterated as a 'thing'.

You won't get the precise location, even with lots of clues & Goggle - as far as I know, this doesn't have pictorial presence on the interweb - so general will do... century-ish and location-ish.

rjsterry

Scroll motif looks vaguely classical, which puts it in antiquity (pretty unlikely) or post-Renaissance. You've mentioned it is in a church. As far as I know, wall paintings were pretty exclusively a medieval phenomenon in this country - it was all protestant whitewash from the 17th century, so... no idea. Stumped.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

Scroll motif looks vaguely classical, which puts it in antiquity (pretty unlikely) or post-Renaissance. You've mentioned it is in a church. As far as I know, wall paintings were pretty exclusively a medieval phenomenon in this country - it was all protestant whitewash from the 17th century, so... no idea. Stumped.

I think your reasoning has probably got you as close as you're likely to get... yes, it's medieval wall painting, a rare surviving fragment at Cheriton Bishop in deepest rural Devon, probably dating pretty much from the date of building (14/15th century). Churches must have looked so much different then, with their interiors adorned with these vivid painting throughout.

rjsterry

Is there an idea of what the whole original looked like?

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

Is there an idea of what the whole original looked like?

Not that I've seen. Must have been rather psychedelic though!!

pinno

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

Scroll motif looks vaguely classical, which puts it in antiquity (pretty unlikely) or post-Renaissance. You've mentioned it is in a church. As far as I know, wall paintings were pretty exclusively a medieval phenomenon in this country - it was all protestant whitewash from the 17th century, so... no idea. Stumped.

I think your reasoning has probably got you as close as you're likely to get... yes, it's medieval wall painting, a rare surviving fragment at Cheriton Bishop in deepest rural Devon, probably dating pretty much from the date of building (14/15th century). Churches must have looked so much different then, with their interiors adorned with these vivid painting throughout.

Damn. I was going to suggest that it was something from the northern Hemisphere, around 0 to 2000 AD.

rjsterry

More info here.

https://escapetobritain.com/cheriton-bishop-church/

Lots more to see besides the wall painting.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

More info here.

https://escapetobritain.com/cheriton-bishop-church/

Lots more to see besides the wall painting.

And here: https://brianchurches.wordpress.com/2020/01/18/cheriton-bishop/

briantrumpet

It's been a while...

Waddya think about this? Age/provenance/purpose?

rjsterry

Reminds me of this in Dyrham churchyard.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

Reminds me of this in Dyrham churchyard.

I'd go 17th-century on yours.

rjsterry

I think it's possibly a bit later than that, but the similarity was the relative accuracy of the the femurs contrasting with the almost cartoonish skull. I guess you could find the former (in animal form) at the local butcher, but human skulls are quite different from ox or pig.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

I think it's possibly a bit later than that, but the similarity was the relative accuracy of the the femurs contrasting with the almost cartoonish skull. I guess you could find the former (in animal form) at the local butcher, but human skulls are quite different from ox or pig.

There are other ones on my artefact, and they aren't exactly accurate either...

laurentian

I'll have a go

Age: I'd say 17th Century
Provenance: Has to be something religious - looks like it's made of wood(?) so probably in a church or monastery and someting to do with death
Purpose: Its obviously not a pirate flag so, again, something to do with death - perhaps the Black Death? - there's a painting on a wall in a church near me in a similar style that is from the time of the black death. It looks like it is perhaps part of something much bigger . . . is this at the base of something?

briantrumpet

laurentian said:

I'll have a go

Age: I'd say 17th Century
Provenance: Has to be something religious - looks like it's made of wood(?) so probably in a church or monastery and someting to do with death
Purpose: Its obviously not a pirate flag so, again, something to do with death - perhaps the Black Death? - there's a painting on a wall in a church near me in a similar style that is from the time of the black death. It looks like it is perhaps part of something much bigger . . . is this at the base of something?

I'm going to give you that! Actually probably 16th century, it's the only known 'golgotha' known to exist, in Cullompton church - hewn out of a single tree, it carried the rood (image of Christ on the cross) above the elaborate rood screen. I love the 'crudeness' of the imagery, which matches the period's liking for gargoyles etc. That was all lost in the 19th century, and everything became much more twee and solemn.

https://standrewscullompton.com/about-us/church-history-overview/history/

rjsterry

Blimey. Over two tonnes of oak.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

Blimey. Over two tonnes of oak.

Here's the whole thing:

rjsterry

Difficult to judge the scale, but it certainly looks hefty. A shame it's been removed from its original context.

laurentian

briantrumpet said:

laurentian said:

I'll have a go

Age: I'd say 17th Century
Provenance: Has to be something religious - looks like it's made of wood(?) so probably in a church or monastery and someting to do with death
Purpose: Its obviously not a pirate flag so, again, something to do with death - perhaps the Black Death? - there's a painting on a wall in a church near me in a similar style that is from the time of the black death. It looks like it is perhaps part of something much bigger . . . is this at the base of something?

I'm going to give you that! Actually probably 16th century, it's the only known 'golgotha' known to exist, in Cullompton church - hewn out of a single tree, it carried the rood (image of Christ on the cross) above the elaborate rood screen. I love the 'crudeness' of the imagery, which matches the period's liking for gargoyles etc. That was all lost in the 19th century, and everything became much more twee and solemn.

https://standrewscullompton.com/about-us/church-history-overview/history/

Thanks!!

Not anything to do with the black death but interesting nonetheless . . . it does look a hefty piece.

briantrumpet

Right, next one. I'll tell you it's a monument in a church, so all you have to do is to guess the decade.

rjsterry

Thought this might be your sort of thing, Brian.

https://twitter.com/JWNairn/status/1494999596342390785?t=xBl-Gbdbwd9HfqbCQwyueA&s=19

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

Thought this might be your sort of thing, Brian.

https://twitter.com/JWNairn/status/1494999596342390785?t=xBl-Gbdbwd9HfqbCQwyueA&s=19

Thanks RJS, yes, those are good. I like the surrealism of these things.

I must look out for some more arty things to post here, as I think @First.Aspect would particularly appreciate them.

briantrumpet

Arts Quiz resurrection... gizza date on this:

masjer

Wayne Rooney around 2010 (pre hair transplant).

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

Thought this might be your sort of thing, Brian.

https://twitter.com/JWNairn/status/1494999596342390785?t=xBl-Gbdbwd9HfqbCQwyueA&s=19

Thanks RJS, yes, those are good. I like the surrealism of these things.

I must look out for some more arty things to post here, as I think @First.Aspect would particularly appreciate them.

What makes you think I don't like art? I don't know anything about it as a subject, but is that a requirement?

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

Thought this might be your sort of thing, Brian.

https://twitter.com/JWNairn/status/1494999596342390785?t=xBl-Gbdbwd9HfqbCQwyueA&s=19

Thanks RJS, yes, those are good. I like the surrealism of these things.

I must look out for some more arty things to post here, as I think @First.Aspect would particularly appreciate them.

What makes you think I don't like art? I don't know anything about it as a subject, but is that a requirement?

Knowledge is definitely not a requirement. Just that I seem to remember disparaging remarks from you about anything non-scientific as a subject of intellectual study.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

Thought this might be your sort of thing, Brian.

https://twitter.com/JWNairn/status/1494999596342390785?t=xBl-Gbdbwd9HfqbCQwyueA&s=19

Thanks RJS, yes, those are good. I like the surrealism of these things.

I must look out for some more arty things to post here, as I think @First.Aspect would particularly appreciate them.

What makes you think I don't like art? I don't know anything about it as a subject, but is that a requirement?

Knowledge is definitely not a requirement. Just that I seem to remember disparaging remarks from you about anything non-scientific as a subject of intellectual study.

Anything can be interesting.

My eyes roll when someone with a set of easy to comprehend facts is seen disproportionately as being "educated", as compared to someone with an even a very basic understanding of a technical subject.

Art can be quite difficult to achieve, technically. I like glass art, for example.

rjsterry

The degree of technical skill involved in its execution is not the sole or even the principle source of value of a piece of art.