Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you

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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Pinno wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)

    It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
    I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.

    You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.

    Therefore, not trivial.

    You are suggesting an assumed latent effect of this particular endeavour.

    Climbing up a sheer cliff face is trivial.
    The effects of the activity may be life changing.
    Falling off could be life changing.
    The effect of the activity is not trivial but the act itself is.

    Nicely put. Let that be an end to this liberal folly.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    FocusZing wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)

    It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
    I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.

    You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.

    Therefore, not trivial.

    You are suggesting an assumed latent effect of this particular endeavour.

    Climbing up a sheer cliff face is trivial.
    The effects of the activity may be life changing.
    Falling off could be life changing.
    The effect of the activity is not trivial but the act itself is.

    Nicely put. Let that be an end to this liberal folly.
    You are both wrong. Broken down into isolation, any action is trivial!

    Launching a nuke. Pressing a button.

    The sum of the parts and all that.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    FocusZing wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)

    It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
    I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.

    You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.

    Therefore, not trivial.

    You are suggesting an assumed latent effect of this particular endeavour.

    Climbing up a sheer cliff face is trivial.
    The effects of the activity may be life changing.
    Falling off could be life changing.
    The effect of the activity is not trivial but the act itself is.

    Nicely put. Let that be an end to this liberal folly.

    Entente cordial apres les petite folly. Ces't bon nes't pas?
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    701db7124fbaa1bdfe17d2656ce3a558.jpg

    Topical, Isle of Man TT riders too. Guts and the ability to push the limit knowing any mistake is far from trivial.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    FocusZing wrote:
    701db7124fbaa1bdfe17d2656ce3a558.jpg

    Topical, Isle of Man TT riders too. Guts and the ability to push the limit knowing any mistake is far from trivial.

    Well the act of... Nah, forget it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxZs2-gICc
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Pinno wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    701db7124fbaa1bdfe17d2656ce3a558.jpg

    Topical, Isle of Man TT riders too. Guts and the ability to push the limit knowing any mistake is far from trivial.

    Well the act of... Nah, forget it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxZs2-gICc

    mugen-shinden-hachi-rear.jpg

    Damn, that's another thing that intrigues me, the rise and evolution of electric vehicles.
  • Lagrange
    Lagrange Posts: 652
    ....is that a turbo trainer?
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    Well, they are planning Zwift olympics...
    ...and you cross that with Ebikes...
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    morstar wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)

    It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
    I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.

    You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.

    Therefore, not trivial.

    You are suggesting an assumed latent effect of this particular endeavour.

    Climbing up a sheer cliff face is trivial.
    The effects of the activity may be life changing.
    Falling off could be life changing.
    The effect of the activity is not trivial but the act itself is.

    Nicely put. Let that be an end to this liberal folly.
    You are both wrong. Broken down into isolation, any action is trivial!

    Launching a nuke. Pressing a button.

    The sum of the parts and all that.

    And what about the motivation of the climber? Is he doing it because he wants to inspire others or is he just doing it because he enjoys it?
    Also, is there anything important he has to do at the top? Is there no other way to the top? Isn't the justification "because it is there" inherently trivial by definition?!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    Rolf F wrote:
    Also, is there anything important he has to do at the top? Is there no other way to the top? Isn't the justification "because it is there" inherently trivial by definition?!

    Yes.
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  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    Is it illegal to let your dog jump into some's parked open topped car? Is it also legal to let them lay a dog-egg?
  • diplodicus
    diplodicus Posts: 722
    HaydenM wrote:
    Is it illegal to let your dog jump into some's parked open topped car? Is it also legal to let them lay a dog-egg?

    Finally someone is tackling the really important issues of the day :D
  • earth
    earth Posts: 934
    Pinno wrote:
    Well, they are planning Zwift olympics...
    ...and you cross that with Ebikes...

    How about drone riders on ebikes controlled by people in VR Zwift?
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    earth wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Well, they are planning Zwift olympics...
    ...and you cross that with Ebikes...

    How about drone riders on ebikes controlled by people in VR Zwift?

    230v or 3 phase?
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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Just got another email from the “official Tour de France merchandising site” they are still selling Sky clothing.
    Have they not heard.
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    Webboo wrote:
    Just got another email from the “official Tour de France merchandising site” they are still selling Sky clothing.
    Have they not heard.

    they bought a job lot as it was suddenly going cheap :lol:
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,482
    awavey wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    Just got another email from the “official Tour de France merchandising site” they are still selling Sky clothing.
    Have they not heard.

    they bought a job lot as it was suddenly going cheap :lol:
    Except it isn't. I hoped it was as I got some excellent deals on Castelli a couple of years ago.
    I have to live with the Sky logos, but what the hey...
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    PBlakeney wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    Just got another email from the “official Tour de France merchandising site” they are still selling Sky clothing.
    Have they not heard.

    they bought a job lot as it was suddenly going cheap :lol:
    Except it isn't. I hoped it was as I got some excellent deals on Castelli a couple of years ago.
    I have to live with the Sky logos, but what the hey...

    Yeah well, slightly better than Ineos innit?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,482
    Pinno wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    Just got another email from the “official Tour de France merchandising site” they are still selling Sky clothing.
    Have they not heard.

    they bought a job lot as it was suddenly going cheap :lol:
    Except it isn't. I hoped it was as I got some excellent deals on Castelli a couple of years ago.
    I have to live with the Sky logos, but what the hey...

    Yeah well, slightly better than Ineos innit?
    Dunno.
    I prefer the colour choice of Ineos. Add on a black permanent marker.... :wink:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,482
    Playing random music at work and up comes Huey Lewis with Heart and Soul which has an explicit warning. Really? Checks. Nope.
    Have we really become that sensitive?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    That a University Professor was consulted to calculate the probability of opening a 0-60, three number combination safe lock...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48477081

    "He calculated the chance of correctly guessing the combination on one try as 1 in 216,000. (His calculation assumed the safe numbers actually ran from one to 60).

    But he noted that some combination locks allow for wiggle-room and if this one had a three-digit leeway, Mr Rosenthal put the chances at 1 in 8,000, "which is still a small chance""

    Actual GCSE maths.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    Just got another email from the “official Tour de France merchandising site” they are still selling Sky clothing.
    Have they not heard.

    they bought a job lot as it was suddenly going cheap :lol:
    Except it isn't. I hoped it was as I got some excellent deals on Castelli a couple of years ago.
    I have to live with the Sky logos, but what the hey...

    Yeah well, slightly better than Ineos innit?
    Dunno.
    I prefer the colour choice of Ineos. Add on a black permanent marker.... :wink:

    Duct tape?
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  • Wayne Plunger
    Wayne Plunger Posts: 444
    Why crumpets come out of the toaster a lot hotter than toasted bread.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    Wayne Plunger wrote:
    Why crumpets come out of the toaster a lot hotter than toasted bread.
    Because they contain (more) sugar.
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  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    They don't actually contain much more sugar, if any, it is more due to density in my opinion.

    They take a lot longer to toast so absorb more heat and because they are more dense then they retain much more heat too.

    I'm basing this on no actual science btw, just what I think, too early to be bothered to Google the actual answer!!

    As an aside, the shiny side of a bagel straight out of the toaster is the hottest thing know to man, I'm relatively sure it could be weaponised if it fell into the wrong hands!!
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,588
    Ben6899 wrote:
    That a University Professor was consulted to calculate the probability of opening a 0-60, three number combination safe lock...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48477081

    "He calculated the chance of correctly guessing the combination on one try as 1 in 216,000. (His calculation assumed the safe numbers actually ran from one to 60).

    But he noted that some combination locks allow for wiggle-room and if this one had a three-digit leeway, Mr Rosenthal put the chances at 1 in 8,000, "which is still a small chance""

    Actual GCSE maths.

    Not only that, he actually changed the question as he was asked about a 0-60 safe and answered for 1-60!
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Chris Bass wrote:
    They don't actually contain much more sugar, if any, it is more due to density in my opinion.

    They take a lot longer to toast so absorb more heat and because they are more dense then they retain much more heat too.

    I'm basing this on no actual science btw, just what I think, too early to be bothered to Google the actual answer!!

    As an aside, the shiny side of a bagel straight out of the toaster is the hottest thing know to man, I'm relatively sure it could be weaponised if it fell into the wrong hands!!

    <logic>It couldn't be hotter than the toaster element. </logic>
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,482
    Why someone would ruin a good bagel by putting it in the toaster instead of an oven.
    #toomuchofahurrytoenjoyfinerpoints
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,490
    Bollox to the lot of you. Crumpets contain more sugar then bread. Bagel's contain brown sugar.
    [...and yes, I did Google the recipe's]
    So the sugar is wots heating up.

    If the theory is about density, then you should heat up a thick pancake in the toaster similarly - I haven't done it but carry on.

    The other factor is that the average crumpet or sliced bagel is probably thicker than the average slice of bread, so it's closer to the element.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    It might be trivial but how (TF) is something getting hot in a toaster intriguing?
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