Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you
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Stevo 666 wrote:
I watched the documentary on his free solo ascent of El Capitan. Massively impressive stuff.FocusZing wrote:
Alex Honnold the solo free climber. The guts and how someone gets to the point they have the confidence in their ability to do that.
Given the level of skill and balls required it's hard to classify as trivial IMO, although I do find it intriguing how he got to that level given that we normally tend to learn from our mistakes...
Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)0 -
I’m fairly sure he has survived ( obviously) a couple of ground falls. I think his girlfriend dropped him, in a climbing fall way not in a relationship way.Stevo 666 wrote:
I watched the documentary on his free solo ascent of El Capitan. Massively impressive stuff.FocusZing wrote:
Alex Honnold the solo free climber. The guts and how someone gets to the point they have the confidence in their ability to do that.
Given the level of skill and balls required it's hard to classify as trivial IMO, although I do find it intriguing how he got to that level given that we normally tend to learn from our mistakes...
He also has done lots of roped speed ascents of El Cap, during which you and your partner climbing at the same time just placing the odd piece of protection or gear. So I guess you learn what’s in your comfort zone doing that. You might not fall off and deck it but you could still fall 300 foot.0 -
SurferCyclist wrote:Robert88 wrote:FocusZing wrote:
Alex Honnold the solo free climber. The guts and how someone gets to the point they have the confidence in their ability to do that.
Photoshop job. The green bits in the lower part of the picture have been added to replace the wooden floor of the indoor climbing centre. The safety ropes have been carefully edited out.
That sort of thing has become a lot easier since they faked the moon landings.
Yes, he's actually lying down there. The photo has just been rotated through 90degrees.
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FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Let's put you up there and see how trivial you think it is thenPinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
So I was right? or was I? I don't know can we have a vote?0 -
Uh?! If someone wants to put themselves in mortal danger then go ahead. Doesn't stop it being trivial.
Vote away - with whatever rationale.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.0 -
Pinno wrote:HaydenM wrote:Lots of dead looking trees on that Honnold picture. Drought and spruce bark beetle I suspect
Dawn Redwood, European Larch or Bald Cypress perhaps?
Admittedly it's not a great picture but Dawn redwood and Larch have quite a similar look to them during winter and I don't think it's those, never seen a Bald cypress though so it could be. Not sure if any of those are native to Yosemite either. The dead trees are the same size and shape as the living ones in the right of the picture so my first thought was disease. He climbed it in March/April so it could be deciduous, but the what-look-to-be broadleaves are out already so it would be odd. That and I was reading about bark beetle (made worse by drought and no forest fire policy) is a massive problem out there so I cheated. I spend half my life identifying trees from aerial photographs but it doesn't really help...
Edit: Yosemite national park posted this talking about dead trees due to beetle
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People's different perspective is intriguing. I'm not sure if it's trivial.0
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morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
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But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial. 0 -
morstar wrote:
But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial.
That's a good point well made. TV is not trivial.0 -
morstar wrote:
But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial.
But climbing is still ultimately inherently trivial.
So trivial! Faster than a tent.......0 -
As is arguing about whether climbing is trivial or notRolf F wrote:morstar wrote:
But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial.
But climbing is still ultimately inherently trivial.
So trivial! "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Life on Earth is trivial when the vastness of the universe is considered. So really, important people like Donald Trump are trivial, even though they are always doing greatness. His daughter isn't trivial though, on any planet she'd be like well fit.0
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Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:
But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial.
But climbing is still ultimately inherently trivial.
So trivial!
I refer to you to my original answer. If said activity brings happiness to ourselves or inspires others, it is no more or less trivial than other activities.
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The non trivial thing which intrigues me:
Either Earth is the only planet with intelligent life forms in the universe (intriguing)
or
it is not (also intriguing)0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
As is arguing about whether climbing is trivial or notRolf F wrote:morstar wrote:
But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial.
But climbing is still ultimately inherently trivial.
So trivial!
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Shirley Basso wrote:The non trivial thing which intrigues me:
Either Earth is the only planet with intelligent life forms in the universe (intriguing)
or
it is not (also intriguing)
Assuming there are other planets with a lifeform of similar development to hooman beens.
Would it be as dysfunctional?0 -
AI or strange intelligent life forms from the Universe could well find Earth's inhabitant's trivial and consequently use it as fertiliser, akin to War of the Worlds. It's all down to perspective.0
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FocusZing wrote:AI or strange intelligent life forms from the Universe could well find Earth's inhabitant's trivial and consequently use it as fertiliser, akin to War of the Worlds. It's all down to perspective.
Would they want me to fertilise their wives? That might be fun. I once fertilised my wife - that was not fun I can assure you.0 -
Lagrange wrote:FocusZing wrote:AI or strange intelligent life forms from the Universe could well find Earth's inhabitant's trivial and consequently use it as fertiliser, akin to War of the Worlds. It's all down to perspective.
Would they want me to fertilise their wives? That might be fun. I once fertilised my wife - that was not fun I can assure you.
II just goes to show triviality isn't a trivial pursuit, intriguing though it maybe.0 -
You are trying to trivialise this thread.0
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Lagrange wrote:FocusZing wrote:AI or strange intelligent life forms from the Universe could well find Earth's inhabitant's trivial and consequently use it as fertiliser, akin to War of the Worlds. It's all down to perspective.
Would they want me to fertilise their wives? That might be fun. I once fertilised my wife - that was not fun I can assure you.
Surely the act of fertilisation was fun at the time?0 -
morstar wrote:Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:
But this extreme endeavour got climbing on TV in a reasonably high profile slot.Rolf F wrote:morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
On that basis nothing constructive we do is trivial if we tell people about it. It's somebody good at a sport and a few people might be inspired to undertake this (relatively trivial) pastime having seen it but I suspect the vast majority of people will just look at it and say "wow, scary" and move on to the next youtube of boundary pushing activity without it having any meaningful effect on them at all.
I think that the less boundary pushing activities will have a greater effect on people simply by making that activity more accessible. I'd be more likely to get (back) into climbing by seeing a good video of people climbing protected on local climbs than this one.
Obviously, anything you put a lot of time into is not trivial on a personal level but that's not really the point.
It's trivial!
Not trivial.
But climbing is still ultimately inherently trivial.
So trivial!
I refer to you to my original answer. If said activity brings happiness to ourselves or inspires others, it is no more or less trivial than other activities.
Not trivial
You're probably right (which is probably the first time that sentence has been used on the internet! ) Faster than a tent.......0 -
FocusZing wrote:Lagrange wrote:You are trying to trivialise this thread.
I think you will find I a made a valid contribution to the "Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you" thread and my effort was trivialised on a technicality.
Yes but rather than making valid contributions can you not make trivial contributions? Being trivialised is no trivial matter.
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morstar wrote:Pinno wrote:FocusZing wrote:Yep, definitely not trivial just intriguing. A liberty on my part:)
It is trivial - it's not medicine, it's not conservation, it's not science, it does little for mankind.
I'm not belittling the endeavour. He has some Cojones and fair play to him and those who do it but it is trivial.
You could argue that inspiring people is part of the appeal of pushing human boundaries (sport, music, arts) and this is as important to the human condition as all those quantifiable disciplines you list.
Therefore, not trivial.
You are suggesting an assumed latent effect of this particular endeavour.
Climbing up a sheer cliff face is trivial.
The effects of the activity may be life changing.
Falling off could be life changing.
The effect of the activity is not trivial but the act itself is.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
