Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you

masjer

Most of human achievement is through collective knowledge. Can a single human make a smartphone?
https://youtu.be/aekUZ3PYKNU

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

First.Aspect

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Technology is a veneer of knowledge built on knowledge. No one human has that much of the total knowledge available to them. So, for example, if you were to drop a recruitment agent into a rainforest to fend for themselves for a while, you would probably see them living a lot more like a lower primate than you might imagine if you'd met them on the train into London.

masjer

rick_chasey said:

Yeah people interest me. Animals don’t.

We all coo when they do one thing that any human over the age of 5 can do like it’s amazing.

They’re playing in one dimension, we’re playing in 3.

Not remotely comparable.

Our thoughts and actions are several orders more complex and sophisticated than animals.

Crows are thought to have the intelligence equivalent to a 7 year old child.
Maybe they should rethink the insult, bird brain. It might actually be a compliment for some.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

Yeah people interest me. Animals don’t.

We all coo when they do one thing that any human over the age of 5 can do like it’s amazing.

They’re playing in one dimension, we’re playing in 3.

Not remotely comparable.

Our thoughts and actions are several orders more complex and sophisticated than animals.

You are just another animal, however overdeveloped your sence of superiority is.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

I am not sure where Rick is going with this but I think he has a point on the society front

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

I am not sure where Rick is going with this but I think he has a point on the society front

Take away the easy food supply and see how long western society lasts.
Western society is a thin veneer.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

I am not sure where Rick is going with this but I think he has a point on the society front

Take away the easy food supply and see how long western society lasts.
Western society is a thin veneer.

But the food supplies are managed by people! Created by people!

I will bow to animals and their superiorness when they cage us for their own amusement in zoo equivalents.

rick_chasey

masjer said:

rick_chasey said:

Yeah people interest me. Animals don’t.

We all coo when they do one thing that any human over the age of 5 can do like it’s amazing.

They’re playing in one dimension, we’re playing in 3.

Not remotely comparable.

Our thoughts and actions are several orders more complex and sophisticated than animals.

Crows are thought to have the intelligence equivalent to a 7 year old child.
Maybe they should rethink the insult, bird brain. It might actually be a complement for some.

As intelligent as a whole 7 year old! Wow.

The bar is just so low with animals

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

As a historian you are presumably aware that complex societies predate all but the most basic technology. And sure, as a species, our ability to create and use tools is very highly developed. Which is just as well because we're poor to middling on just about everything else.

rick_chasey

Eh? Are you insane? Poor to middling at everything else? Compared to what?

Like an animal could even conceive of the premise let alone discuss it.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

I’m glad people care about it so I don’t have to.

Biodiversity and protecting animals is obviously important but I struggle to give any sh!ts beyond my own self interest that We’ll suffer if we neglect it.

Wow.

Although it was only last week that you told me to grow up when I pointed out that people become more tory as they get older. I rest my case

rick_chasey

I don’t think even Tories eat people as part of a balanced diet.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Well when they can build a rival society, complete with associated technology, you can tell me I’m wrong ✌🏻

I'd argue that most animals have a much better society than western world humans, without the need of technology.

Lol ok

I am not sure where Rick is going with this but I think he has a point on the society front

Take away the easy food supply and see how long western society lasts.
Western society is a thin veneer.

But the food supplies are managed by people! Created by people!

I will bow to animals and their superiorness when they cage us for their own amusement in zoo equivalents.

A good example of how we are not as superior as some would like to think.

Food supplies are generated for money, not the good of society. Yes, I have a low opinion of humans

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

Eh? Are you insane? Poor to middling at everything else? Compared to what?

Like an animal could even conceive of the premise let alone discuss it.

Other animals. Homo sapiens has an unusually narrow genetic diversity indicative of almost going extinct. Our closest relative did go extinct.

We can't run or jump or swim very well. We have no great physical strength. Our senses are pretty average. We get cold easily and need a lot of ccalories to function. It's a good job we can make tools and use them so well or we'd be screwed.

Consider also that a mouse can easily outwit our attempts to catch it.

Munsford0

Remind me again which species is in the process or royally fcucking up the planet it lives on, possibly to the point it becomes uninhabitable?

rick_chasey

Munsford0 said:

Remind me again which species is in the process or royally fcucking up the planet it lives on, possibly to the point it becomes uninhabitable?

Only because we are so superior we can. Like the Malthusian tendencies of every single other animal is any different.

We actually work to manage and avoid Malthusian situations. We are several orders more self aware than any animal can be.

First.Aspect

This is classic RC debating. Say something extreme, then turn it into something binary.

No one is saying humans aren't the most mentally advanced species. But only you are asserting by just how much, RC. Which is out of date.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

Eh? Are you insane? Poor to middling at everything else? Compared to what?

Like an animal could even conceive of the premise let alone discuss it.

Physically. And we don't have particularly sharp senses. Or wits, if this thread is anything to go by.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

Other animals. censored sapiens has an unusually narrow genetic diversity indicative of almost going extinct. Our closest relative did go extinct.

Please try to avoid using offensive Latin, RJS.

pangolin

Rick just keeps on digging.

Munsford0

What's that pointy thing on his head??

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

Munsford0 said:

Remind me again which species is in the process or royally fcucking up the planet it lives on, possibly to the point it becomes uninhabitable?

Only because we are so superior we can. Like the Malthusian tendencies of every single other animal is any different.

We actually work to manage and avoid Malthusian situations. We are several orders more self aware than any animal can be.

This is quite Johnsonesque.

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

Eh? Are you insane? Poor to middling at everything else? Compared to what?

Like an animal could even conceive of the premise let alone discuss it.

Physically. And we don't have particularly sharp senses. Or wits, if this thread is anything to go by.

We can fly higher than any bird, go faster than any animal. We go into space. We are more self aware, more intellectually capable than any animal by a long way.

We have the capability to pretty much exterminate any animal we want within reason and even if we couldn’t i would back humans to be able to if they wanted in pretty short order.

Our being is so much more advanced than any animal our lives and meanings have moved far beyond thoughts animals are even capable of.

The fact we can even experiment on animals to understand their own self awareness just underlines our superiority.

veronese68

Rick has clearly never seen the Attenborough style documentary Planet of the Apes

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

Eh? Are you insane? Poor to middling at everything else? Compared to what?

Like an animal could even conceive of the premise let alone discuss it.

Physically. And we don't have particularly sharp senses. Or wits, if this thread is anything to go by.

We can fly higher than any bird, go faster than any animal. We go into space. We are more self aware, more intellectually capable than any animal by a long way.

We have the capability to pretty much exterminate any animal we want within reason and even if we couldn’t i would back humans to be able to if they wanted in pretty short order.

Our being is so much more advanced than any animal our lives and meanings have moved far beyond thoughts animals are even capable of.

The fact we can even experiment on animals to understand their own self awareness just underlines our superiority.

Who are you arguing with?

rick_chasey

Some people seem to think animals are in any way equivalent. They’re not.

pblakeney

I give in. You are correct. We are way superior.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/zelensky-warns-russian-officials-preparing-28196889

rick_chasey

Good.

So you can see why they’re so interesting. 😜

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Eh? Are you insane? Poor to middling at everything else? Compared to what?

Like an animal could even conceive of the premise let alone discuss it.

Other animals. censored sapiens has an unusually narrow genetic diversity indicative of almost going extinct. Our closest relative did go extinct.

We can't run or jump or swim very well. We have no great physical strength. Our senses are pretty average. We get cold easily and need a lot of ccalories to function. It's a good job we can make tools and use them so well or we'd be screwed.

Consider also that a mouse can easily outwit our attempts to catch it.

man can run a marathon faster than any other animal (this may be a myth)