Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you
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Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.0 -
And that means you don't get to go to some good restaurants at popular times.TheBigBean said:
Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.
You're basically saying that Le Gavroche might be good on a Tuesday, but is not good on a Saturday.0 -
Anyway, my point was that there is no time at all tonight or tomorrow night that Salt Bae's restaurant does not have space for a table for four. That's not giving off "the place to be" vibes.0
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As I said, you've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
And that means you don't get to go to some good restaurants at popular times.TheBigBean said:
Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.
You're basically saying that Le Gavroche might be good on a Tuesday, but is not good on a Saturday.
Although I'm highly unlikely to go there on a Tuesday either. As per the restaurants of London thread, I value the diversity not the classical fine dining. I know good places to have Korean Chinese or Japanese Korean. I also know a great Mauritian cafe, a Mexican restaurant that doesn't sell Tex Mex and pub that formerly had the best pizza in London etc. etc.0 -
I'm very consistent on this. The best ski resorts have the worst lifts.0
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The restaurant itself isn't different between those times you can get in and those times you cannot, so you are defining your acceptance criteria, not the quality of the restaurant. The quality of the restaurant is one input into those criteria.TheBigBean said:
As I said, you've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
And that means you don't get to go to some good restaurants at popular times.TheBigBean said:
Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.
You're basically saying that Le Gavroche might be good on a Tuesday, but is not good on a Saturday.
Although I'm highly unlikely to go there on a Tuesday either. As per the restaurants of London thread, I value the diversity not the classical fine dining. I know good places to have Korean Chinese or Japanese Korean. I also know a great Mauritian cafe, a Mexican restaurant that doesn't sell Tex Mex and pub that formerly had the best pizza in London etc. etc.
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This feels like a thoroughly pointless debate, so I'm in. It's my definition of good. I'm not pretending it is yours, but if you like consider it as an answer to the question "is it a good place to eat?"kingstongraham said:
The restaurant itself isn't different between those times you can get in and those times you cannot, so you are defining your acceptance criteria, not the quality of the restaurant. The quality of the restaurant is one input into those criteria.TheBigBean said:
As I said, you've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
And that means you don't get to go to some good restaurants at popular times.TheBigBean said:
Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.
You're basically saying that Le Gavroche might be good on a Tuesday, but is not good on a Saturday.
Although I'm highly unlikely to go there on a Tuesday either. As per the restaurants of London thread, I value the diversity not the classical fine dining. I know good places to have Korean Chinese or Japanese Korean. I also know a great Mauritian cafe, a Mexican restaurant that doesn't sell Tex Mex and pub that formerly had the best pizza in London etc. etc.
Also, you not liking the style of food they serve at Le Gavroche also does not make it any less good.
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For me the budget has an outsized impact on the meal. The bar required for it to be a pleasurable experience rises very very quickly when the price goes up.
Charging me £50 a head and it's no better than the £30 a head place I go to a lot? I'm not gonna enjoy it, even if it is enjoyable.
Luckily, this doesn't extend to expensed meals, and I have plenty of those, though the increasing lack of appetite for a glass of wine with a business lunch is a regretful development.0 -
I understand that. If I leave hungry I'm also unimpressed.rick_chasey said:For me the budget has an outsized impact on the meal. The bar required for it to be a pleasurable experience rises very very quickly when the price goes up.
Charging me £50 a head and it's no better than the £30 a head place I go to a lot? I'm not gonna enjoy it, even if it is enjoyable.0 -
Also, if anyone knows of anywhere that does French Toast as good as 1 Lombard Street, please let me know.
I had my first there and have it regularly when I go, but I discovered that eating it anywhere else is a big disappointment.0 -
Eggy bread, Mmmmmmmm.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I think that's fair, many people would view it the same way. We were talking about pub food round here the other day. Pub grub used to be reasonable, basic and cheap. Then gastro pubs came along and the prices went up, but so did the quality. Now they're all at it and the quality has gone down as they are trying to cut costs, but the prices remain high.rick_chasey said:For me the budget has an outsized impact on the meal. The bar required for it to be a pleasurable experience rises very very quickly when the price goes up.
Charging me £50 a head and it's no better than the £30 a head place I go to a lot? I'm not gonna enjoy it, even if it is enjoyable.
There is a pub near here that does good pizza, my complaint is they claim it's awesome. I don't think pizza can ever be awesome, it can be a very good pizza. But it's still little more than fancy cheese on toast.0 -
I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't get to enjoy all these fine dining options.0
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I agree, not sure why you started it.TheBigBean said:
This feels like a thoroughly pointless debate, so I'm in. It's my definition of good. I'm not pretending it is yours, but if you like consider it as an answer to the question "is it a good place to eat?"kingstongraham said:
The restaurant itself isn't different between those times you can get in and those times you cannot, so you are defining your acceptance criteria, not the quality of the restaurant. The quality of the restaurant is one input into those criteria.TheBigBean said:
As I said, you've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
And that means you don't get to go to some good restaurants at popular times.TheBigBean said:
Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.
You're basically saying that Le Gavroche might be good on a Tuesday, but is not good on a Saturday.
Although I'm highly unlikely to go there on a Tuesday either. As per the restaurants of London thread, I value the diversity not the classical fine dining. I know good places to have Korean Chinese or Japanese Korean. I also know a great Mauritian cafe, a Mexican restaurant that doesn't sell Tex Mex and pub that formerly had the best pizza in London etc. etc.
Also, you not liking the style of food they serve at Le Gavroche also does not make it any less good.
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SW water's advice for saving water during the drought: collect rainwater in a water butt.
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I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
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I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
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Good excuse for a cycle the following day too.First.Aspect said:
I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Really annoying only to have 6000 quids worth of menus to chose from each year, rather than the 60000 in London. That's really limiting.pblakeney said:
Good excuse for a cycle the following day too.First.Aspect said:
I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
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Maths fail! 🤣 2x500x12=12,000.First.Aspect said:
Really annoying only to have 6000 quids worth of menus to chose from each year, rather than the 60000 in London. That's really limiting.pblakeney said:
Good excuse for a cycle the following day too.First.Aspect said:
I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
Point made though.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Taxi and tip.pblakeney said:
Maths fail! 🤣 2x500x12=12,000.First.Aspect said:
Really annoying only to have 6000 quids worth of menus to chose from each year, rather than the 60000 in London. That's really limiting.pblakeney said:
Good excuse for a cycle the following day too.First.Aspect said:
I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
Point made though.0 -
So that just adds to the £12k, no?First.Aspect said:
Taxi and tip.pblakeney said:
Maths fail! 🤣 2x500x12=12,000.First.Aspect said:
Really annoying only to have 6000 quids worth of menus to chose from each year, rather than the 60000 in London. That's really limiting.pblakeney said:
Good excuse for a cycle the following day too.First.Aspect said:
I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
Point made though.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Better transfer some money from the savings.pblakeney said:
So that just adds to the £12k, no?First.Aspect said:
Taxi and tip.pblakeney said:
Maths fail! 🤣 2x500x12=12,000.First.Aspect said:
Really annoying only to have 6000 quids worth of menus to chose from each year, rather than the 60000 in London. That's really limiting.pblakeney said:
Good excuse for a cycle the following day too.First.Aspect said:
I just drive in and take a cab home. It adds £30 to the £500 overall cost. My monthly household budget can soak that up every fortnight.veronese68 said:
I'm not sure I believe you therePross said:I'm devastated that us people in the sticks don't to enjoy all these fine dining options.
Point made though.0 -
This is a thread for trivial things.kingstongraham said:
I agree, not sure why you started it.TheBigBean said:
This feels like a thoroughly pointless debate, so I'm in. It's my definition of good. I'm not pretending it is yours, but if you like consider it as an answer to the question "is it a good place to eat?"kingstongraham said:
The restaurant itself isn't different between those times you can get in and those times you cannot, so you are defining your acceptance criteria, not the quality of the restaurant. The quality of the restaurant is one input into those criteria.TheBigBean said:
As I said, you've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
And that means you don't get to go to some good restaurants at popular times.TheBigBean said:
Probably involves queueing and lots of people which are negatives, but it being sold out doesn't mean it is good. It means it is popular.kingstongraham said:
Even if you have got a ticket because you booked a few weeks ago?TheBigBean said:
You've got the idea.kingstongraham said:
Sold out concerts are also, by definition, not good.TheBigBean said:
Depends on your definition of good. Mine includes being able to eat in them easily.kingstongraham said:If you want to book a table, you can get any time you want tonight or tomorrow. That's not going to be the case for good restaurants.
But your point was about restaurants. I don't want to plan in advance or have to eat at a certain times to allow two sittings. I almost never make a reservation.
You're basically saying that Le Gavroche might be good on a Tuesday, but is not good on a Saturday.
Although I'm highly unlikely to go there on a Tuesday either. As per the restaurants of London thread, I value the diversity not the classical fine dining. I know good places to have Korean Chinese or Japanese Korean. I also know a great Mauritian cafe, a Mexican restaurant that doesn't sell Tex Mex and pub that formerly had the best pizza in London etc. etc.
Also, you not liking the style of food they serve at Le Gavroche also does not make it any less good.0 -
Gastro pubs are a trivial thing that annoy me, so wrong threadveronese68 said:
I think that's fair, many people would view it the same way. We were talking about pub food round here the other day. Pub grub used to be reasonable, basic and cheap. Then gastro pubs came along and the prices went up, but so did the quality. Now they're all at it and the quality has gone down as they are trying to cut costs, but the prices remain high.rick_chasey said:For me the budget has an outsized impact on the meal. The bar required for it to be a pleasurable experience rises very very quickly when the price goes up.
Charging me £50 a head and it's no better than the £30 a head place I go to a lot? I'm not gonna enjoy it, even if it is enjoyable.
There is a pub near here that does good pizza, my complaint is they claim it's awesome. I don't think pizza can ever be awesome, it can be a very good pizza. But it's still little more than fancy cheese on toast.0 -
What are your thoughts on establishments that offer "proper food"?TheBigBean said:
Gastro pubs are a trivial thing that annoy me, so wrong threadveronese68 said:
I think that's fair, many people would view it the same way. We were talking about pub food round here the other day. Pub grub used to be reasonable, basic and cheap. Then gastro pubs came along and the prices went up, but so did the quality. Now they're all at it and the quality has gone down as they are trying to cut costs, but the prices remain high.rick_chasey said:For me the budget has an outsized impact on the meal. The bar required for it to be a pleasurable experience rises very very quickly when the price goes up.
Charging me £50 a head and it's no better than the £30 a head place I go to a lot? I'm not gonna enjoy it, even if it is enjoyable.
There is a pub near here that does good pizza, my complaint is they claim it's awesome. I don't think pizza can ever be awesome, it can be a very good pizza. But it's still little more than fancy cheese on toast.
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Classic boomer behaviour witnessed today.
Turned up to the botanical garden a little early because it’s quite warm and I didn’t want to get back too late.
Garden opens at 10am.
By 9:58 there was a small informal queue of Millennial parents with young children in the various spots in the shade.
At 10:01 a boomer couple turns up, socks in sandals, and the garden isn’t open yet.
instantly the boomer man starts agitating, shaking the fence, tapping his watch, complaining they haven’t opened yet, when it was obvious the person was in the process of opening it up.
Anyway, gate opens, boomer skips the queue and marches straight in.
Woman at the garden mentions they might want to wait and he literally said “why should we have to wait for those kids?”.
Incredible.
I was in a good mood so kept my mouth shut.0 -
That’s odd as my experience of boomers is that they like a good queue. Maybe people can be knobs irrespective of age.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Happy to answer the question, but I need more details as to what you mean by "proper food".First.Aspect said:
What are your thoughts on establishments that offer "proper food"?TheBigBean said:
Gastro pubs are a trivial thing that annoy me, so wrong threadveronese68 said:
I think that's fair, many people would view it the same way. We were talking about pub food round here the other day. Pub grub used to be reasonable, basic and cheap. Then gastro pubs came along and the prices went up, but so did the quality. Now they're all at it and the quality has gone down as they are trying to cut costs, but the prices remain high.rick_chasey said:For me the budget has an outsized impact on the meal. The bar required for it to be a pleasurable experience rises very very quickly when the price goes up.
Charging me £50 a head and it's no better than the £30 a head place I go to a lot? I'm not gonna enjoy it, even if it is enjoyable.
There is a pub near here that does good pizza, my complaint is they claim it's awesome. I don't think pizza can ever be awesome, it can be a very good pizza. But it's still little more than fancy cheese on toast.0 -
Absolutely standard. Behave like they are entitled to things other people aren’t.pblakeney said:That’s odd as my experience of boomers is that they like a good queue. Maybe people can be knobs irrespective of age.
My favourite was the same spot. I was in the queue to go in. I am a member so I just wave my card and in we go.
Boomer behind me marches in, barges past, waves her members card declaring “I’m a member I don’t need to queue, I’m in a hurry” and walked off.
I called her out, asking if she thought she was special. Explained I too was a member but I queue with everyone else.
She came up with some spurious reason why she was in a hurry (but not so urgent she couldn’t stop to barny with me).
I then dropped the bomb “classic boomer behaviour, think you’re special and everyone else isn’t” and she just started swearing haha.
Still skipped the queue mind. Standard.
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