Team SKY to be known as Team Ineos.
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I raise you Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island...next...0
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orraloon wrote:I raise you Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island...next...
So here's a summary of the debate so far:
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
Pro-nuclear poster: "here are some actual stats that show that coal kills literally 500 times more people than nuclear"
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"0 -
Although the Cycling News does touch on the moral aspects to other teams sponsors, once again Sky get bashed for taking what is seen as the moral high ground. First anti drugs then anti plastic. CN seen more upset that they promise good things rather than the fact they might do bad things. They mention the likes of Total, Orica and the dodgy political ragimes but I doubt they’ll right a whole column about them. I think they have a point but they should cast the net a bit wider0
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bompington wrote:
... and don't forget all the toxic waste from the manufacture of solar panels and the mining of the materials.
I'd be interested to see your graph that shows there is more toxic waste involved in the manufacture of solar panels than the building and maintenance of a nuclear power plant plus the disposal of all the waste (or storage of, for 10,000 years).0 -
bompington wrote:orraloon wrote:I raise you Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island...next...
So here's a summary of the debate so far:
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
Pro-nuclear poster: "here are some actual stats that show that coal kills literally 500 times more people than nuclear"
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
I don't have a horse in this argument but I do think you're slightly underestimating the cost of looking after the waste.
The waste is, in some instances unbelievably dangerous *for a very very very long time* - so much so there's a whole study into what symbols to use so that generations in 50,000 years time will still understand them.
That *is* expensive and is particularly damaging. There is also a security risk which adds to the cost, before you get to the cost of a meltdown in one in every 100 power stations or so.
https://www.ft.com/content/db87c16c-494 ... ab0a67014c0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:bompington wrote:orraloon wrote:I raise you Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island...next...
So here's a summary of the debate so far:
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
Pro-nuclear poster: "here are some actual stats that show that coal kills literally 500 times more people than nuclear"
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
I don't have a horse in this argument but I do think you're slightly underestimating the cost of looking after the waste.
The waste is, in some instances unbelievably dangerous *for a very very very long time* - so much so there's a whole study into what symbols to use so that generations in 50,000 years time will still understand them.
That *is* expensive and is particularly damaging. There is also a security risk which adds to the cost, before you get to the cost of a meltdown in one in every 100 power stations or so.
https://www.ft.com/content/db87c16c-494 ... ab0a67014c
I don't have a horse in the race either, to be fair, but I think the stats only show a snapshot of any given day. Also, who is promoting coal?? The shear cost of dealing with the waste would pay for a huge number of solar panels and you never answered my question about the toxic waste associated with solar.0 -
inseine wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:bompington wrote:orraloon wrote:I raise you Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island...next...
So here's a summary of the debate so far:
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
Pro-nuclear poster: "here are some actual stats that show that coal kills literally 500 times more people than nuclear"
Anti-nuclear poster: "nuclear is dangerous and kills lots of people and the planet"
I don't have a horse in this argument but I do think you're slightly underestimating the cost of looking after the waste.
The waste is, in some instances unbelievably dangerous *for a very very very long time* - so much so there's a whole study into what symbols to use so that generations in 50,000 years time will still understand them.
That *is* expensive and is particularly damaging. There is also a security risk which adds to the cost, before you get to the cost of a meltdown in one in every 100 power stations or so.
https://www.ft.com/content/db87c16c-494 ... ab0a67014c
I don't have a horse in the race either, to be fair, but I think the stats only show a snapshot of any given day. Also, who is promoting coal?? The shear cost of dealing with the waste would pay for a huge number of solar panels and you never answered my question about the toxic waste associated with solar.
I’ve pretty much reached the limit of my knowledge on this.0 -
inseine wrote:I think the stats only show a snapshot of any given day.inseine wrote:you never answered my question about the toxic waste associated with solar.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshe ... 3e230c121c0 -
All I know is that I probably use some sort of product of the Petrochemical industry every minute of my life and without them my quality of life would be vastly diminished. Probably to a level most first world people would find unbearable.
I also know that while the likes of Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace can highlight environmental concerns, they will never come up with an solutions. These will be developed by the industries that they demonise.
Pick areas for improvement by all means, but dismissing the whole industry as 'evil' is just asinine.Twitter: @RichN950 -
bompington wrote:inseine wrote:I think the stats only show a snapshot of any given day.inseine wrote:you never answered my question about the toxic waste associated with solar.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshe ... 3e230c121c
Now back to cycling......0 -
RichN95 wrote:Pick areas for improvement by all means, but dismissing the whole industry as 'evil' is so much easier and helps make us feel a lot more virtuous, as well as providing tidy careers for a privileged few.0
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ademort wrote:.Internet observers have noticed that the TeamIneos.com website domain was registered on March 5, with the @teamineos account also registered on Twitter.Apparently Team SKY have refused to comment .
Cheers.
Anybody know the bikes they will be using?0 -
FocusZing wrote:ademort wrote:.Internet observers have noticed that the TeamIneos.com website domain was registered on March 5, with the @teamineos account also registered on Twitter.Apparently Team SKY have refused to comment .
Cheers.
Anybody know the bikes they will be using?Twitter: @RichN950 -
It is quite a shift from #passonplastic0
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RichN95 wrote:FocusZing wrote:ademort wrote:.Internet observers have noticed that the TeamIneos.com website domain was registered on March 5, with the @teamineos account also registered on Twitter.Apparently Team SKY have refused to comment .
Cheers.
Anybody know the bikes they will be using?
Cheers Rich.0 -
Without getting too lost in the moral maze I do feel a bit uneasy with the new sponsor's business. However, as mentioned above, that's a bit hypocritical as everyone uses and benefits from these type of products.
The main issue for me is not with plastic per se, but with how the products are handled. No-one is making someone chuck a food container/bottle/whatever in the sea instead of getting it recycled, for example.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
RichN95 wrote:All I know is that I probably use some sort of product of the Petrochemical industry every minute of my life and without them my quality of life would be vastly diminished. Probably to a level most first world people would find unbearable.
I also know that while the likes of Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace can highlight environmental concerns, they will never come up with an solutions. These will be developed by the industries that they demonise.
Pick areas for improvement by all means, but dismissing the whole industry as 'evil' is just asinine.
Pinarello made a post on their instagram stating they will be continuing with Team INEOS (as per contract probably). I'd expect both parties to resign that deal as well, since there really isn't a downside. The team will continue to be the best GT team for as long as Froome, Thomas, Bernal etc. are riding.
Regarding Ratcliffe and why he is in this, I'd suspect there is some type of financial benefit to using the cycling team as a tax write off for marketing for the company?! Additionally to billionaires enjoying buying sports franchises.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
KingstonGraham wrote:It is quite a shift from #passonplastic
The plastic industry has 'Operation Clean Sweep' which is devoted to providing practical solutions to ocean pollution, while Pass On Plastic is pitched at a consumer level to try to reduce unnecessary usage.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.Half man, Half bike0
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Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.
was in Monaco at the weekend (#humblebrag) - saw a shop that's sole purpose was for the interior design of private jets0 -
PoweredByIdris wrote:Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.
was in Monaco at the weekend (#humblebrag) - saw a shop that's sole purpose was for the interior design of private jets0 -
This takeover deal makes me happy for two reasons: (1) because it keeps the team going which is a good thing, and (2) it is schadenfreude for everyone who rejoiced that Sky were pulling out that it seems like the team will now have an even bigger budget than before0
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inseine wrote:PoweredByIdris wrote:Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.
was in Monaco at the weekend (#humblebrag) - saw a shop that's sole purpose was for the interior design of private jets
Is it like the ones I used to draw on my schoolbooks? How many machine-guns has it got?0 -
PoweredByIdris wrote:inseine wrote:PoweredByIdris wrote:Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.
was in Monaco at the weekend (#humblebrag) - saw a shop that's sole purpose was for the interior design of private jets
Is it like the ones I used to draw on my schoolbooks? How many machine-guns has it got?
As many as its owner and designer are allowed to buy and fit! It's the same in superyacht world. A seemingly small amount of v.wealthy people but go to cannes/monaco and there are some incredible vessels there and that's just two harbours.0 -
PoweredByIdris wrote:inseine wrote:PoweredByIdris wrote:Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.
was in Monaco at the weekend (#humblebrag) - saw a shop that's sole purpose was for the interior design of private jets
Is it like the ones I used to draw on my schoolbooks? How many machine-guns has it got?0 -
Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.Twitter: @RichN950
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RichN95 wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It is quite a shift from #passonplastic
The plastic industry has 'Operation Clean Sweep' which is devoted to providing practical solutions to ocean pollution, while Pass On Plastic is pitched at a consumer level to try to reduce unnecessary usage.
You seem to be correct
https://skybiggerpicture.com/impact/pdf ... t_2018.pdf0 -
I'm always suspicious of those energy company adverts that want to help you use less energy too.0
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RichN95 wrote:Ridgerider wrote:I am getting round this change of ownership by not thinking of the new owner as one of the richest men in the UK, but thinking of him as one of the poorest in Monaco.
BuggerHalf man, Half bike0 -
M.R.M. wrote:Pinarello made a post on their instagram stating they will be continuing with Team INEOS (as per contract probably). I'd expect both parties to resign that deal as well, since there really isn't a downside. The team will continue to be the best GT team for as long as Froome, Thomas, Bernal etc. are riding.
but Im sure I read in another post recently someone had posted an article from last December from a cycling mag,INEOS are actually the company that supplies Toray, the worlds largest maker of carbon fibre, with acrylonitrile, which is the core ingredient needed to make carbon fibre, and Toray happen to be Pinarellos exclusive partner, and supplier of a special carbon fibre with nanoalloy technology to make bike frames like the Dogma F8 with.
literally INEOS already help make Froomes bike...I dont think Pinarello are going to quit being their bike supplier.0