Team SKY to be known as Team Ineos.

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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    lettingthedaysgoby wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
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    That looks like the frame has been left in the sun for too long.

    And the less said about those stupid chainrings, the better.
    Yeah, if only they had a better bike they might win something :roll:
  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    bompington wrote:
    Yeah, if only they had a better bike they might win something :roll:
    Oh there’s no arguments from me as to the bikes technical prowess, I’m sure it’s amazing to ride.

    But it’s not exactly a pretty thing to look at.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    It's pretty much only Froome who rides those rings in the team, non?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    dish_dash wrote:
    It's pretty much only Froome who rides those rings in the team, non?
    The only person in the whole World Tour as far as I know (which I've always thought strange)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    It's pretty much only Froome who rides those rings in the team, non?
    The only person in the whole World Tour as far as I know (which I've always thought strange)

    Yeah, and Wiggins was the only other person who seemed to ride them with any consistency.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    looks like no secondary sponsor either
  • ShutupJens
    ShutupJens Posts: 1,373
    amrushton wrote:
    The Oval rings and the frame design looks like the bike has been left out in the sun too long

    Nail on the head. The manager at the shop that I work at has a gorgeous Cannondale Synapse, really lovely looking bike and has gone and stuck these rings on.. ruins the clean lines and he spends all ride looking down to make sure that his shifting is working correctly
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    Would they have had new bikes or just had the old ones resprayed? Feels like a waste to replace the bikes but then I'm sure the old ones get sold on for more than the actual cost of producing new.
  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    Pross wrote:
    Would they have had new bikes or just had the old ones resprayed? Feels like a waste to replace the bikes but then I'm sure the old ones get sold on for more than the actual cost of producing new.
    New bikes - these are the new Dogma F12.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
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    I'm sure it's uci limit fantastical, but it looks a bit bulky to me and too much carbon fanning going down.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    All a bit mid life crisis sports car looking. Radcliffe leaves me cold too. I'll get over it.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    A pathetic fracking turn out from the protestors if the photos on CW's article are anything to go by.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    A pathetic fracking turn out from the protestors if the photos on CW's article are anything to go by.

    Yes I was there.

    There were around 25-30 or so. There was even a gazebo tent thing for them which looked like it was set up by the organisers.

    There were some good sort of papier-mâché big things that sat on a few shoulders.

    Was all very civil and I don’t think anyone minded too much.

    Majority there were cheering very loudly for them. Even sang happy birthday for Doul.
    _
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    A pathetic fracking turn out from the protestors if the photos on CW's article are anything to go by.
    I wondered if it was lost on those who turned up to protest plastic production that wearing polyester fleeces, nylon yellow vests and carrying nylon ruck sacks and kit bags whilst waving plastic coated banners could give mixed messages.

    Protesting has a long history in cycling so as long as they keep it clean and the riders remain safe let them fill their boots.
  • ducknumber1
    ducknumber1 Posts: 1,172
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    A pathetic fracking turn out from the protestors if the photos on CW's article are anything to go by.

    Yes I was there.

    There were around 25-30 or so. There was even a gazebo tent thing for them which looked like it was set up by the organisers.

    There were some good sort of papier-mâché big things that sat on a few shoulders.

    Was all very civil and I don’t think anyone minded too much.

    Majority there were cheering very loudly for them. Even sang happy birthday for Doul.

    Very much agree, I'm sure the papier-mache things were here last year too.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,798
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Protesting has a long history in cycling so as long as they keep it clean and the riders remain safe let them fill their boots.

    True, I think the media fuss over this is another indication of the UK's naive take on cycling as such a recent national sport. The few people having a shout yesterday seem to have received a lot more coverage generally than say, when Froome, Thomas et al were tear gassed in the middle of a TDF demo last year!
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    dish_dash wrote:
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...
    Total must be livid. They're the ones with most of UK fraking licences (and who own the majority share of Ineos's licences)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    A pathetic fracking turn out from the protestors if the photos on CW's article are anything to go by.
    I wondered if it was lost on those who turned up to protest plastic production that wearing polyester fleeces, nylon yellow vests and carrying nylon ruck sacks and kit bags whilst waving plastic coated banners could give mixed messages.

    Protesting has a long history in cycling so as long as they keep it clean and the riders remain safe let them fill their boots.
    I don't think their argument immediately becomes invalid because they may or may not be wearing some plastic products (plus whatever mode of transport they used to get there will have relied on oil and gas to a greater or lesser extent).

    That's just an ad hominem, which doesn't address the substance of their protest at all.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    dish_dash wrote:
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...

    I don't get why they want brand awareness. It's just a rich man's plaything with a brand to make it tax efficient isn't it?
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...

    I don't get why they want brand awareness. It's just a rich man's plaything with a brand to make it tax efficient isn't it?


    It's a very rich man doing it for fun. But its 2019, people don't accept such simple explanations.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...

    I don't get why they want brand awareness. It's just a rich man's plaything with a brand to make it tax efficient isn't it?

    There's that, but I'm guessing there's the angle of potential industrial and bulk buyers of Ineos products (and their CFOs) may be the kind of people who spend £10k on a bike and would therefore look more favourably on Ineos products. And would look even more favourably if they were invited to races / met the team / got to ride in the team car...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    gsk82 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...

    I don't get why they want brand awareness. It's just a rich man's plaything with a brand to make it tax efficient isn't it?


    It's a very rich man doing it for fun. But its 2019, people don't accept such simple explanations.
    It's like Oleg Tinkoff said "Some rich people spend their money on yachts, but I don't like yachts, I like cycling" (Paraphrasing)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    So, I've been thinking and actually what better way to raise brand awareness than launching Team Ineos in Yorkshire. As far as I can tell the fr__king link has resulted in much more media coverage than just a simple sponsor switch to a largely unknown chemicals conglomerate. All coverage is good coverage and all that...

    I don't get why they want brand awareness. It's just a rich man's plaything with a brand to make it tax efficient isn't it?

    There's that, but I'm guessing there's the angle of potential industrial and bulk buyers of Ineos products (and their CFOs) may be the kind of people who spend £10k on a bike and would therefore look more favourably on Ineos products. And would look even more favourably if they were invited to races / met the team / got to ride in the team car...

    This. Plus a massive Antwerp facility so employee engagement.

    And let's not forget that Jim Ratcliffe is building a Defender replacement and so a bit more 'brand recognition' might not go amiss.

    Also, Ineos is listed, right? A bit more brand awareness in the financial markets also doesn't go amiss in case they need to be tapped...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    dish_dash wrote:
    Also, Ineos is listed, right?
    No, it's private
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • alanparsons
    alanparsons Posts: 529
    Interesting to see/hear the idiot from the BBC interviewing Sir Ratcliffe yesterday.
    Seemed to think that sponsoring a cycle team is some form of Green washing his brand! Has this F*ckwit (Dan Roan) ever watched a pro cycle race. It's hardly an eco-friendly sport is it ?
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    alanparsons wrote:
    Interesting to see/hear the idiot from the BBC interviewing Sir Ratcliffe yesterday.
    Seemed to think that sponsoring a cycle team is some form of Green washing his brand! Has this F*ckwit (Dan Roan) ever watched a pro cycle race. It's hardly an eco-friendly sport is it ?

    Dan Roan doesn't watch sport. He specialises in trying to whip up controversy and being a c***.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    Also, Ineos is listed, right?
    No, it's private
    Ok. Though is in the bond market and could list.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    As a retrospective, I'll have a crack at the top 10 Sky wins. These are crossing the line first, so no stage race victories.

    1. Chris Froome 2018 Giro d'Italia Stage 19 - one of those epic stages that only existed in the olden days
    2. Mark Cavendish 2012 Tour de France Stage 20 - a British rider in the Yellow Jersey leads out a British rider in the Worlds Jersey.
    3. Ian Stannard 2015 Omloop Het Niewsblad - the greatest robbery since Brinks Mat
    4. Michal Kwiatkowski 2017 Milan-San Remo - outwitting two greats
    6. Geraint Thomas 2018 Tour de France Stage - a Yellow Jersey wins on Alpe d'Huez
    7. Chris Froome 2013 Tour de France Stage 15 - a Yellow Jersey wins on Mont Ventoux
    8. Wout Poels 2016 Liege Bastogne Liege - their first monument
    9. Egan Bernal 2018 Tour of California Stage 6 - Froome's successor arrives
    10. Mikel Landa 2017 Giro d'Italia Stage 19 - saving the day with a stage victory and claiming the KOM jersey.


    Notable omissions: Many, many Wiggins TTs and his Romandie sprint, Kwaitkowski's Strade B, EBH's stage wins in 2011, Stannard's other Het N win. I will have forgotten many

    I will let you debate these. And when you are done I will try and think of Sky's top ten cock-ups (non-doping related)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    RichN95 wrote:
    As a retrospective, I'll have a crack at the top 10 Sky wins. These are crossing the line first, so no stage race victories.

    1. Chris Froome 2018 Giro d'Italia Stage 19 - one of those epic stages that only existed in the olden days
    2. Mark Cavendish 2012 Tour de France Stage 20 - a British rider in the Yellow Jersey leads out a British rider in the Worlds Jersey.
    3. Ian Stannard 2015 Omloop Het Niewsblad - the greatest robbery since Brinks Mat
    4. Michal Kwiatkowski 2017 Milan-San Remo - outwitting two greats
    6. Geraint Thomas 2018 Tour de France Stage - a Yellow Jersey wins on Alpe d'Huez
    7. Chris Froome 2013 Tour de France Stage 15 - a Yellow Jersey wins on Mont Ventoux
    8. Wout Poels 2016 Liege Bastogne Liege - their first monument
    9. Egan Bernal 2018 Tour of California Stage 6 - Froome's successor arrives
    10. Mikel Landa 2017 Giro d'Italia Stage 19 - saving the day with a stage victory and claiming the KOM jersey.


    Notable omissions: Many, many Wiggins TTs and his Romandie sprint, Kwaitkowski's Strade B, EBH's stage wins in 2011, Stannard's other Het N win. I will have forgotten many

    I will let you debate these. And when you are done I will try and think of Sky's top ten cock-ups (non-doping related)

    I'd have Cav's Stage 18 win in the 2012 Tour up there somewhere too. Possibly his best for the way it was achieved

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