Wife of ISIS fighter wants to return to the UK

morstar

Pross wrote:

the Government want to be able to say 'hey, we tried to stop this but got over-ruled by a bunch of out-of-touch liberals in the judiciary'.

This^

And it's shameful and reflective of low quality journalism and politics we face in the current era.

I work on projects and there is always an individual or group, consistently laying down the groundwork for future blame and lack of responsibility on their own part. Easy to spot, easy to call out, not so easy to overcome. If you don't, difficult to progress successfully.

rolf_f

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Because there's really little difference between being "just a housewife" in Surbiton and being "just a housewife" in Syrian Jihadi stronghold?

Dorset Boy wrote:

With regard to the baby, the father is Dutch so the baby could just as easily be taken in by the Netherlands as by the UK, especially as neither country is particularly likely to leave the child with the mother.

So this should be the Netherlands problem then? Why them more than us? Apart from the likelihood that fewer Dutch read the Daily Mail? Do you not think we should take responsibility for our own issues?

Dorset Boy wrote:

I'm still not clear how she can get herself back to the UK with no money, no travel documents and whilst effectively a prisoner in a camp in a country where the UK has no consular representation and no extradition agreements.

What does it matter whether you (or I) are unclear about how she can get herself back. That's her problem. What shouldn't be her problem is her citizenship.

slowbike

Pross wrote:

With regards to your point about the child, one expert I heard talking said that as the child was born before the mother's citizenship was revoked then it is a British citizen and would be entitled to be brought back to the country. Whether the mother is prepared to be separated from the child is of course another matter.

Absolutely. I think if anyone was thinking rationally whilst wanting their child to return to the UK, they'd be outwardly repentant for everything that had happened - what's going on inside their mind is a different matter...

Pross wrote:

I think both will eventually return but that when it happens and there is public uproar (generated by the usual media outlet suspects) the Government want to be able to say 'hey, we tried to stop this but got over-ruled by a bunch of out-of-touch liberals in the judiciary'.

I used to think the government were quite clever and cute in the way they operated, more recently they seem like a bunch of knee jerkers.
Personally, I'd rather have a reasoned response I didn't agree with rather than a knee jerk reaction that is countermanded later on because it wasn't thought through.

imposter2.0

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Python mode: "I put three of them out by the bins, and the dustmen won't touch 'em.."

Seeing a head in a bucket is not really a crime in any meaningful sense though, is it? Not really sure what point you are making...

Matthewfalle

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

mrfpb

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

And anything loses its power to shock after repeated exposure.

I think five years in an extremist group will stop most people "thinking rationaly" about how to sell their story to the British media. I guess her brain is a cocktail of extremist ideology with a large helping of PTSD.
Personally I think the UK should take positive action to bring her and the baby home, mainly for the child's sake. In the eyes of the world were damned if we do, damned if we dont, so lets take the compasionate and humanitarian path.

haydenm

mrfpb wrote:

Personally I think the UK should take positive action to bring her and the baby home, mainly for the child's sake. In the eyes of the world were damned if we do, damned if we dont, so lets take the compasionate and humanitarian path.

We've had some ups and downs in this thread, from Coopster's comment to this more adult approach. Aside from that, in the eyes of the world I think we look far worse if we just absolve ourselves of all responsibility. Imagine if this was about another country washing their hands of her, I dare say the main 'let her rot' camp would be many of the same people calling the country out as irresponsible.

bianchimoon

mrfpb wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

And anything loses its power to shock after repeated exposure.

I think five years in an extremist group will stop most people "thinking rationaly" about how to sell their story to the British media. I guess her brain is a cocktail of extremist ideology with a large helping of PTSD.
Personally I think the UK should take positive action to bring her and the baby home, mainly for the child's sake. In the eyes of the world were damned if we do, damned if we dont, so lets take the compasionate and humanitarian path.

^ agree 100% with this, it's obvious from seeing the interviews there are mental issues, she seems incapable of lying, she just says it exactly as she sees it, whether she's thinking of the consequences or not I don't know, but someone devious would usually be crying, pitiful, lying and begging for forgiveness to get what they want.

shirley_basso

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

Imagine telling a solder with PTSD to pull themselves together after coming back from a conflict zone. They joined the army FFS. It's the day job to witness and actually contribute to the maiming and death of others and they actively signed up for it.

Absolute wetters coming back whinging of the aftermath, especially when its an occupational hazard and a pretty common occurrence. Why bother with counselling?

Matthewfalle

Shirley Basso wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

Imagine telling a solder with PTSD to pull themselves together after coming back from a conflict zone. They joined the army FFS. It's the day job to witness and actually contribute to the maiming and death of others and they actively signed up for it.

Absolute wetters coming back whinging of the aftermath, especially when its an occupational hazard and a pretty common occurrence. Why bother with counselling?

eh? what you on about Willis? No one is talking about that at all.

shirley_basso

Matthewfalle wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

Imagine telling a solder with PTSD to pull themselves together after coming back from a conflict zone. They joined the army FFS. It's the day job to witness and actually contribute to the maiming and death of others and they actively signed up for it.

Absolute wetters coming back whinging of the aftermath, especially when its an occupational hazard and a pretty common occurrence. Why bother with counselling?

eh? what you on about Willis? No one is talking about that at all.

I am trying to work out what your point is in response to Dorset Boy

Matthewfalle

Shirley Basso wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

depending on where you are, yes it is. in some places its a pretty common occurence......

Imagine telling a solder with PTSD to pull themselves together after coming back from a conflict zone. They joined the army FFS. It's the day job to witness and actually contribute to the maiming and death of others and they actively signed up for it.

Absolute wetters coming back whinging of the aftermath, especially when its an occupational hazard and a pretty common occurrence. Why bother with counselling?

eh? what you on about Willis? No one is talking about that at all.

I am trying to work out what your point is in response to Dorset Boy

that being in certain parts of the world its pretty normal to see unsavoury things, be it parts of drug dealers in the road in South America to bits of people in Afghan/Iraq to seeing glassings and stabbings on the streets of Britain.

Just because she has seen them doesn't mean she did them.

Nothing to do with PTSD, nothing to do with anything you have written.

shirley_basso

I don't think anyone was implying she did them, were they?

Matthewfalle

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Dorset Boy did that right here, especially with his use of 'just a housewife'.

its also been picked up by Imposter above.

Dorset_Boy

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Dorset Boy did that right here, especially with his use of 'just a housewife'.

its also been picked up by Imposter above.

NO I DIDN'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I resent people adding 2+2 & getting 5.

She was refered to as 'just a housewife'.
I've not said or implied she actually cut the heads off herself.
I've implied she was in a position to certainly see the aftermath.

Matthewfalle

Dorset Boy wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Dorset Boy did that right here, especially with his use of 'just a housewife'.

its also been picked up by Imposter above.

NO I DIDN'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I resent people adding 2+2 & getting 5.

She was refered to as 'just a housewife'.
I've not said or implied she actually cut the heads off herself.
I've implied she was in a position to certainly see the aftermath.

yes you did which is why you said 'just a housewife'.

your tone and sentence structure indicates that you do not believe that she was a housewife and if done in a pub would be said with wiggly fingers, a snort and probably followed up by "yeah right, and I'm an armadillo".

she's just an utter fool who has landed herself in deep schtum and is learning that actions have consequences.

Dorset_Boy

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Dorset Boy did that right here, especially with his use of 'just a housewife'.

its also been picked up by Imposter above.

NO I DIDN'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I resent people adding 2+2 & getting 5.

She was refered to as 'just a housewife'.
I've not said or implied she actually cut the heads off herself.
I've implied she was in a position to certainly see the aftermath.

yes you did which is why you said 'just a housewife'.

your tone and sentence structure indicates that you do not believe that she was a housewife and if done in a pub would be said with wiggly fingers, a snort and probably followed up by "yeah right, and I'm an armadillo".

she's just an utter fool who has landed herself in deep schtum and is learning that actions have consequences.

I don't believe anyone that stole a passport and made their way to join ISIS is "just a housewife". If she's wanted to be "just a housewife" she could have stayed in the UK and got married a few months later.
Yes she's been very foolish and landed herself in deep schtum.
She is our problem if she can make her way back to the UK as she clearly is a UK citizen and not a Bangladeshi one.

No one has yet answered my question as to how she will actually get back to the UK, but instead focussed on making 2+2=5!

surrey_commuter

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

Matthewfalle

Dorset Boy wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Dorset Boy wrote:

She has said she has seen plenty of cut off heads in buckets.
I'm not sure those are the sort of things you'd see if you were 'just a housewife'.

Dorset Boy did that right here, especially with his use of 'just a housewife'.

its also been picked up by Imposter above.

NO I DIDN'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I resent people adding 2+2 & getting 5.

She was refered to as 'just a housewife'.
I've not said or implied she actually cut the heads off herself.
I've implied she was in a position to certainly see the aftermath.

yes you did which is why you said 'just a housewife'.

your tone and sentence structure indicates that you do not believe that she was a housewife and if done in a pub would be said with wiggly fingers, a snort and probably followed up by "yeah right, and I'm an armadillo".

she's just an utter fool who has landed herself in deep schtum and is learning that actions have consequences.

I don't believe anyone that stole a passport and made their way to join ISIS is "just a housewife". If she's wanted to be "just a housewife" she could have stayed in the UK and got married a few months later.
Yes she's been very foolish and landed herself in deep schtum.
She is our problem if she can make her way back to the UK as she clearly is a UK citizen and not a Bangladeshi one.

No one has yet answered my question as to how she will actually get back to the UK, but instead focussed on making 2+2=5!

dude

you have just said immediately above that you don't believe she was just a housewife which contradicts your post above that that says you think she was a housewife that contradicts your above post that says you don't think she wad a housewife..

you don't think she was a housewife and we aren't making 2+2=5.

The MFs think that you don't actually grasp or understand the whole bigger picture really.

imposter2.0

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

Matthewfalle

Shirley Basso wrote:

I don't think anyone was implying she did them, were they?

dorset boy did and he has confirmed it above.

#sleuth

Dorset_Boy

Matthewfalle wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

I don't think anyone was implying she did them, were they?

dorset boy did and he has confirmed it above.

#sleuth

Dense and arrogant - that's the MFs.
As I said I didn't.

surrey_commuter

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

I quite like the idea of Saj d1cking her around on the cheap and if she gets back to the UK without a passport then make life a little more difficult. However she is one of our and trying to send her off to Bangladesh is quite funny. If Saj had a skinful and drove into a mini-bus full of school kids would he advocate deporting himself to Pakistan because that is where his grandparents came from?

Matthewfalle

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

I quite like the idea of Saj d1cking her around on the cheap and if she gets back to the UK without a passport then make life a little more difficult. However she is one of our and trying to send her off to Bangladesh is quite funny. If Saj had a skinful and drove into a mini-bus full of school kids would he advocate deporting himself to Pakistan because that is where his grandparents came from?

not really because he would be done for multiple counts of death by dangerous driving rather than offences under the terrorism act by joining a particularly hideous terrorist organasation whether under the guise of being a housewife or not.

its snooker and fish, innit.

Matthewfalle

Dorset Boy wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

I don't think anyone was implying she did them, were they?

dorset boy did and he has confirmed it above.

#sleuth

Dense and arrogant - that's the MFs.
As I said I didn't.

some call it arrogance, some call it public school confidence. to confuse the latter with the former is just so, well, working class. please don't do it. it gives of all the MFs cause maestitia.

and yes you did. 3 times in fact. posts passim ad superior cum (snigger) parolarem inferiorer.

surrey_commuter

Matthewfalle wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

I quite like the idea of Saj d1cking her around on the cheap and if she gets back to the UK without a passport then make life a little more difficult. However she is one of our and trying to send her off to Bangladesh is quite funny. If Saj had a skinful and drove into a mini-bus full of school kids would he advocate deporting himself to Pakistan because that is where his grandparents came from?

not really because he would be done for multiple counts of death by dangerous driving rather than offences under the terrorism act by joining a particularly hideous terrorist organasation whether under the guise of being a housewife or not.

its snooker and fish, innit.

Not sure about fish but hamsters in the pockets acting as goalkeepers would make snooker a televisual feast.

Anyway I like the idea of him deporting himself to gain popularity with the Tory party membership. And your housewife is lacking “just a” unless this one is a housewife

imposter2.0

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

Can't do 08.30 - is 9am ok?

This made me laugh, so I'm more than happy to withdraw my remarks...

surrey_commuter

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

Can't do 08.30 - is 9am ok?

This made me laugh, so I'm more than happy to withdraw my remarks...

No need to withdraw, daughter is only six and I have no problem with drug dealers

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

I quite like the idea of Saj d1cking her around on the cheap and if she gets back to the UK without a passport then make life a little more difficult. However she is one of our and trying to send her off to Bangladesh is quite funny. If Saj had a skinful and drove into a mini-bus full of school kids would he advocate deporting himself to Pakistan because that is where his grandparents came from?

not really because he would be done for multiple counts of death by dangerous driving rather than offences under the terrorism act by joining a particularly hideous terrorist organasation whether under the guise of being a housewife or not.

its snooker and fish, innit.

Not sure about fish but hamsters in the pockets acting as goalkeepers would make snooker a televisual feast.

Anyway I like the idea of him deporting himself to gain popularity with the Tory party membership. And your housewife is lacking “just a” unless this one is a housewife

You joke but anti terror legislation has been used on a number of occasions to deport or attempt to deport foreign entrepreneurs working in the UK on the basis of minor errors in tax returns that were subsequently corrected.

Matthewfalle

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

So we have a 19yo girl (19 is still young) who ran away from home to join what she considered an ideal 4 years prior - in that time she's seen more death and destruction than anyone on here would like to see in their lifetimes.

She's lost 2 children and the 3rd will be at risk.

Let's look at the child first - born to a British Citizen (I believe she was "still" British at the time of the birth) - I assume that means the child is entitled to British Citizenship - the child has a family here in the UK - there is no reason I can see that the child shouldn't be returned. The child should not be deprived purely because of mistakes made by the mother.

As for the girl - knee jerk says "Stay where you are - you're not welcome here" - if you still sympathise with ISIS after everything you've been through then what good will come of you returning to the UK - but then I'm reminded of the Prodigal Son (no I'm not religious, but the law and morality in UK is based on Christianity) - whilst the girl may not be repentant, perhaps thats due to influences outside her control - returning to the UK - or at least returning to the western world where she could be de-radicalised may change that - if there's a small chance of that happening, shouldn't we (as a country) try it?

AFAWK, she's been a housewife - not making bombs or killing others - and whilst just being a housewife is supporting the terrorist regime, you have to look at the circumstances around how that came about - perhaps she's not culpable for getting into the situation she's found herself in.

Finally - think about if it was your child who had become a drug dealer - decided they'd had enough and wanted to stop being a drug dealer, but didn't regret any of it - the only way they could stop would be to move back in your home with you. You have other children in the house too.
What do you do? Point blank refuse? Or try and facilitate a return whilst minimising the risk to the rest of the household?

To adapt your analogy. Four years ago your daughter met a hippy, told you to FRO and moved into a squat. Now the squat has been bulldozed and the hippy has done one. Your daughter is still dealing drugs, still thinks you are a cvnt but wants to move back into the family home as if the last four years never happened. Oh and the hippy has knocked her up and you will have to pay to bring the baby up.

She's still your daughter, so I'm in for that. The baby is your grandchild. Do you have kids?

And now you lash out accusing me of being infertile. You have until 08:30 to publicly apologise or I am reporting you.

Anyway you strong sperm fascist I have not made up my mind about her but I do like an analogy.

I quite like the idea of Saj d1cking her around on the cheap and if she gets back to the UK without a passport then make life a little more difficult. However she is one of our and trying to send her off to Bangladesh is quite funny. If Saj had a skinful and drove into a mini-bus full of school kids would he advocate deporting himself to Pakistan because that is where his grandparents came from?

not really because he would be done for multiple counts of death by dangerous driving rather than offences under the terrorism act by joining a particularly hideous terrorist organasation whether under the guise of being a housewife or not.

its snooker and fish, innit.

Not sure about fish but hamsters in the pockets acting as goalkeepers would make snooker a televisual feast.

Anyway I like the idea of him deporting himself to gain popularity with the Tory party membership. And your housewife is lacking “just a” unless this one is a housewife

HOUSEWIFE??????? HOUSEWIFE???????? GODDANM MO'FACKING HOUSEWIFE???????

THATS IT. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH.

Right - you have until 09:47 (Zulu) to change all references you have made to "houseperson" and to apologise to 6 random people on here or I'm going to tell Josh because he's just not busy enough as it is.