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Rick Chasey twists cabinet minister's response to question to continue to bash the Government, SHOCKER!
Though incredibly tedious, but hey, we should all relax, coz it's just a forum.
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When all is said and done, and not even taking this issue into account, Grant Shapps is just a bit of a dick.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grant-shapps-who-he-theresa-may-pm-plot-overthrow-two-names-jobs-a7986761.html
https://www.ft.com/content/cd8f78f8-2850-3109-b577-269eedb1e5c20 -
Yep, after reading that Rick is quite correct in his observations.elbowloh said:When all is said and done, and not even taking this issue into account, Grant Shapps is just a bit of a censored .
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grant-shapps-who-he-theresa-may-pm-plot-overthrow-two-names-jobs-a7986761.html
https://www.ft.com/content/cd8f78f8-2850-3109-b577-269eedb1e5c20 -
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.1 -
Difficult to argue with that one. 😏kingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Nopekingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
After all this are you now saying you didn't pay your £3?Stevo_666 said:
Nopekingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here. 1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
KG said I did both. I don't recall calling them moronsrjsterry said:
After all this are you now saying you didn't pay your £3?Stevo_666 said:
Nopekingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.
There is also no doubt it was 3 quid well spent."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If you never have ever in your life, I think you'd be in the minority.Stevo_666 said:
KG said I did both. I don't recall calling them moronsrjsterry said:
After all this are you now saying you didn't pay your £3?Stevo_666 said:
Nopekingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.
There is also no doubt it was 3 quid well spent.0 -
I don't like to state the obvious.kingstongraham said:
If you never have ever in your life, I think you'd be in the minority.Stevo_666 said:
KG said I did both. I don't recall calling them moronsrjsterry said:
After all this are you now saying you didn't pay your £3?Stevo_666 said:
Nopekingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.
There is also no doubt it was 3 quid well spent."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There are subjects about which that is definitely true.Stevo_666 said:
I don't like to state the obvious.kingstongraham said:
If you never have ever in your life, I think you'd be in the minority.Stevo_666 said:
KG said I did both. I don't recall calling them moronsrjsterry said:
After all this are you now saying you didn't pay your £3?Stevo_666 said:
Nopekingstongraham said:
That's your gig isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So you've called them a moron and sent them some money?rick_chasey said:
Oh it's a forum, relax.focuszing723 said:
If you feel so strongly about these things you should be using your energy to contact your local MP, if you get no joy start making plans to get elected yourself and make a better future.rick_chasey said:Honestly, if you live in Welwyn Hatfield and voted tory you should be embarrassed for endorsing such a moron.
Calling anybody a moron won't change a thing.
I've put my money where my mouth is more than most people on here.
There is also no doubt it was 3 quid well spent.0 -
Didn’t this very thread declare this unworkable?0 -
Would be interesting to see how they propose to assess property value when it is so easily influenced by demand. Conversely, if values are effectively set by government (a supposedly Conservative government) then that would really distort the market. As an aside, if they are serious about meeting their emissions reduction targets, they should base the property tax on energy consumption.rick_chasey said:
Didn’t this very thread declare this unworkable?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Same article references the fast that the replacement for council tax was thought about previously, but when they modelled it, it produced no difference in the amount of revenue raised. It did massively change how much people paid on the scales. From memory, those with a house prices at £250k paid about £640 per annum whereas a £1m property owner would pay £400 a month!0
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Maybe that’s a hidden agenda. Would force redistribution of high value housing to high earners. A bit of social engineering to remove low earners who happen to own a high value family property from generations of ownership.elbowloh said:Same article references the fast that the replacement for council tax was thought about previously, but when they modelled it, it produced no difference in the amount of revenue raised. It did massively change how much people paid on the scales. From memory, those with a house prices at £250k paid about £640 per annum whereas a £1m property owner would pay £400 a month!
Would definitely mobilise the market. Could have many unforeseen consequences though, would potentially devalue the higher end of the ‘normal’ (not luxury) market but subsequently drive up values of lower end properties as that market would heat up.0 -
Maybe we'll know more once he has actually considered it. If it isn't introduced then maybe the view is that it isn't workable.
At present this is speculation as to what might be introduced."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Having thought it through, I’m not keen despite likely being a beneficiary.
It penalises living in an expensive area which the property price already does.
I’m all for punitive taxation on empty or second properties but not on owning a home that happens to be valuable.0 -
Helps flush out sticky labour voters in London constituencies which have swing potential.morstar said:Having thought it through, I’m not keen despite likely being a beneficiary.
It penalises living in an expensive area which the property price already does.
I’m all for punitive taxation on empty or second properties but not on owning a home that happens to be valuable.
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Yes, I mentioned the social engineering angle in my prior post.rick_chasey said:
Helps flush out sticky labour voters in London constituencies which have swing potential.morstar said:Having thought it through, I’m not keen despite likely being a beneficiary.
It penalises living in an expensive area which the property price already does.
I’m all for punitive taxation on empty or second properties but not on owning a home that happens to be valuable.
Can definitely see gentrification being possible.0 -
Was a thing round my way in London.
Used a lot of redevelopments to force poorer residents out.
If anyone’s interested I can share the deets.0 -
A really cynical government could do it as a temporary measure.
2-3 years would be enough to flush out the lower classes before revising the system that ‘doesn’t work’. Obviously with all their property trading friends forewarned.0 -
Hang on, you're not seriously suggesting that it's the poor people who vote labour in London?rick_chasey said:
Helps flush out sticky labour voters in London constituencies which have swing potential.morstar said:Having thought it through, I’m not keen despite likely being a beneficiary.
It penalises living in an expensive area which the property price already does.
I’m all for punitive taxation on empty or second properties but not on owning a home that happens to be valuable.
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Ha ha.bompington said:
Hang on, you're not seriously suggesting that it's the poor people who vote labour in London?rick_chasey said:
Helps flush out sticky labour voters in London constituencies which have swing potential.morstar said:Having thought it through, I’m not keen despite likely being a beneficiary.
It penalises living in an expensive area which the property price already does.
I’m all for punitive taxation on empty or second properties but not on owning a home that happens to be valuable.
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My suggestion so it hit a knee jerk rejection in some quarters.rick_chasey said:
Didn’t this very thread declare this unworkable?
It would be less market distorting.0 -
Council tax on £1m property is circa £3kelbowloh said:Same article references the fast that the replacement for council tax was thought about previously, but when they modelled it, it produced no difference in the amount of revenue raised. It did massively change how much people paid on the scales. From memory, those with a house prices at £250k paid about £640 per annum whereas a £1m property owner would pay £400 a month!
Stamp duty on a £1m property is circa £50k.
If you live there for ten years that is £5k a year.0 -
The trouble with government policy is it always goes round in circles. The reason for increasing stamp duty on expensive properties was to prevent them being used as a liquid reserve currency.surrey_commuter said:
Council tax on £1m property is circa £3kelbowloh said:Same article references the fast that the replacement for council tax was thought about previously, but when they modelled it, it produced no difference in the amount of revenue raised. It did massively change how much people paid on the scales. From memory, those with a house prices at £250k paid about £640 per annum whereas a £1m property owner would pay £400 a month!
Stamp duty on a £1m property is circa £50k.
If you live there for ten years that is £5k a year.0 -
Politically it would also alienate large swathes of the country where property prices are generally high and where there are lots of Tory constituencies.
Also if, as elbowloh says above, it doesn't change the overall revenues but changes how the cost is split, not sure what the point is?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So as an example, if it happened and alienated you, who would you subsequently vote for?Stevo_666 said:Politically it would also alienate large swathes of the country where property prices are generally high and where there are lots of Tory constituencies.
Also if, as elbowloh says above, it doesn't change the overall revenues but changes how the cost is split, not sure what the point is?2 -
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You have just highlighted why it won't happen.pinkbikini said:
So as an example, if it happened and alienated you, who would you subsequently vote for?Stevo_666 said:Politically it would also alienate large swathes of the country where property prices are generally high and where there are lots of Tory constituencies.
Also if, as elbowloh says above, it doesn't change the overall revenues but changes how the cost is split, not sure what the point is?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
