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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
  • I wasn't taken in as such, but I wanted to believe that Sunak would mark a return to competence and integrity. So far, it's not going well, with too much "political capital" being wasted on integrity-free ventures/speeches that serve only to titivate the nutters in his party.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
    Surely you can all reuse the t-shirts you had printed after Brexit?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited July 2023
    Stevo_666 said:

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
    Surely you can all reuse the t-shirts you had printed after Brexit?
    You'll be delighted to know at the xmas office party, I was given a Back Boris official T-shirt by the Secret Santa ;)
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?

    If you must. I put it down to my optimism following the departure of the odious Johnson that it had to get better. D'oh.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424

    Stevo_666 said:

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
    Surely you can all reuse the t-shirts you had printed after Brexit?
    You'll be delighted to know at the xmas office party, I was given a Back Boris official T-shirt by the Secret Santa ;)
    :)

    Not a coffee cup with your name on it then? ;)

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
    Surely you can all reuse the t-shirts you had printed after Brexit?
    You'll be delighted to know at the xmas office party, I was given a Back Boris official T-shirt by the Secret Santa ;)
    :)

    Not a coffee cup with your name on it then? ;)



    You mean this one?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
    Surely you can all reuse the t-shirts you had printed after Brexit?
    You'll be delighted to know at the xmas office party, I was given a Back Boris official T-shirt by the Secret Santa ;)
    :)

    Not a coffee cup with your name on it then? ;)



    You mean this one?
    I used to sit in regular meetings chaired by someone with that mug. Whoever gave him it knew him well and wasn't being ironic.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    May I take a small victory lap and say "I told you so"?
    Surely you can all reuse the t-shirts you had printed after Brexit?
    You'll be delighted to know at the xmas office party, I was given a Back Boris official T-shirt by the Secret Santa ;)
    :)

    Not a coffee cup with your name on it then? ;)



    You mean this one?
    That's your name?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    Or how about this t-shirt?

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.

    If they follow their Trumpian model, you might well be right: they seem to want to create a more and more rabid 'base', and then pander to it. As with the Republicans, I wonder where the once-sensible ones will go, if that does happen.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    Assume you are talking about Labour?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    Assume you are talking about Labour?

    Which loons are left in Labour?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,562
    Imagine being so weak as a Prime Minister that you had to hang onto the coat tails of some niche TV presenter to attempt to gain some kudos.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,172
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    Assume you are talking about Labour?
    Well Labour does at least give you guidance on the time it takes to turn that sort of ship around.

    How old will you be in 2038 Stevo?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    Assume you are talking about Labour?
    Well Labour does at least give you guidance on the time it takes to turn that sort of ship around.

    How old will you be in 2038 Stevo?
    Old enough to be first against the wall when Rick takes power. You reckon they'll last three terms?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    If this is the case, and it feels likely as the loons tend to be very good at securing constituencies where they weigh the Tory majority, then hopefully they will be in a majority amongst a relatively small number of Tory MPs left standing.

  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    In my advanced superior opinion Humanity needs to be Governed by Spock (yep, death grip, ears). The rest is futile drivel.

    Live long and prosper.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,607
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    Assume you are talking about Labour?
    Well Labour does at least give you guidance on the time it takes to turn that sort of ship around.

    How old will you be in 2038 Stevo?
    Old enough to be first against the wall when Rick takes power. You reckon they'll last three terms?
    How many do you think it'll be?

    Who are they gonna get to replace Rishi when he flies off to Silicon Valley after the election loss. Suella?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    edited July 2023
    Jezyboy said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    I think he's a bit of a hostage to a divided Party to be fair. I don't have any sympathy as he wanted the job but he seems to be trying to keep in the good books of all the factions. They need a complete clear out of the loons but that won't happen until after the election.
    I said it before and will predict it again that after the next electon the loons will be in the majority.
    Assume you are talking about Labour?
    Well Labour does at least give you guidance on the time it takes to turn that sort of ship around.

    How old will you be in 2038 Stevo?
    Old enough to be first against the wall when Rick takes power. You reckon they'll last three terms?
    How many do you think it'll be?

    Who are they gonna get to replace Rishi when he flies off to Silicon Valley after the election loss. Suella?
    One, two at most. If there is no overall majority I can see it going to s**t quite quickly.

    If you recall last time they won three on the trot they had Blair running the show who was much more electable than Starmer and also better at reigning in the worst lefty excesses of the party.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,562
    edited July 2023
    I do think that sometimes people forget just how big a swing Labour need nationally.
    I fully expect Starmer to form the next Government, but suspect it won't be the landslide win many on here think (and hope).
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    I'd be surprised if Labour get in. I haven't heard them say anything of substance since Cameron was elected. Starmer is beyond useless which is a huge missed opportunity.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374

    I'd be surprised if Labour get in. I haven't heard them say anything of substance since Cameron was elected. Starmer is beyond useless which is a huge missed opportunity.


    I think he's more of an asset behind the scenes keeping the party and MPs in line. But he'll never inspire as an orator... he can't even read a script convincingly. Yvette Cooper is much better at that.

    That said, I think the electorate night still go for 'boring' after the 'excitement' of the various car crashes of the present administration.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Lol Tories could murder every 4th child and they'd still get 20% of the vote.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,374

    Lol Tories could murder every 4th child and they'd still get 20% of the vote.


    Yeah, we see that in Trumpism, where the base actively make themselves dumber each day in order to keep believing.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    I'd be surprised if Labour get in. I haven't heard them say anything of substance since Cameron was elected. Starmer is beyond useless which is a huge missed opportunity.


    I think he's more of an asset behind the scenes keeping the party and MPs in line. But he'll never inspire as an orator... he can't even read a script convincingly. Yvette Cooper is much better at that.

    That said, I think the electorate night still go for 'boring' after the 'excitement' of the various car crashes of the present administration.
    I'm surprised how bad he is, successful barristers are usually pretty eloquent as it is part of their trade.
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,618
    edited July 2023

    Lol Tories could murder every 4th child and they'd still get 20% of the vote.

    To be fair, so could Labour. It's the next 20% layer of voters that are key. The Tories' are just more loyal to the cause than Labour's. The Tories want power whilst Labour seems to prefer a lot of introspection about what's right with winning GEs a handy side-effect if the planets align.

    In a mirror-image universe, Stevo is now a disaffected former Labour loyalist who is voting Green whereas our Stevo will be voting Tory even after a Tory government passes a law granting "Droits de Seigneur" over Mrs Stevo to the 1922 Committee.