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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,497
    pangolin said:

    First.Aspect said:

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    surrey_commuter said:

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    shirley_basso said:

    The Cambridge ones are auto slowed to well below walking pace in certain built up areas.

    Singapore (singers) has banned them which seems a little Draconian as they are excellent for mass transport across short distances.

    The pedestrian thing is an issue though.

    but do you legalise them for the road or pavement?
    Pavement. They are too unstable for the road, and you really really don't want to be sharing bus and cycle lanes with them.
    and if you are a pedestrian you really don't want to be sharing the pavement with them.
    Yup.
    But if they are on the roads people will die. If they are on pavements people will be annoyed.
    They are on the roads in Bristol (the official voi ones) and this has not resulted in mass deaths.
    No, but cycling on the pavement would kill thousands, right.

    I've seen them on Lothian Road in Edinburgh. To be honest it's only a matter of time - small wheels, plus potholes = face plant. Funny 99.9% of the time, except when you do it in front of a bus, etc.

    Probably it's a bit of a non issue either way. I can't see widespread adoption of them, because its a bit of a crapp way to get around.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,691
    pangolin said:

    First.Aspect said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    The Cambridge ones are auto slowed to well below walking pace in certain built up areas.

    Singapore (singers) has banned them which seems a little Draconian as they are excellent for mass transport across short distances.

    The pedestrian thing is an issue though.

    but do you legalise them for the road or pavement?
    Pavement. They are too unstable for the road, and you really really don't want to be sharing bus and cycle lanes with them.
    and if you are a pedestrian you really don't want to be sharing the pavement with them.
    Yup.
    But if they are on the roads people will die. If they are on pavements people will be annoyed.
    They are on the roads in Bristol (the official voi ones) and this has not resulted in mass deaths.
    They're really hard to spot at night if they move up the side of you, I think the lights are too low down. As a cyclist who has commuted a fair bit I probably check my shoulders a lot more when driving than most motorists but even I've struggled to pick them up in dark or wet conditions.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    First.Aspect said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    The Cambridge ones are auto slowed to well below walking pace in certain built up areas.

    Singapore (singers) has banned them which seems a little Draconian as they are excellent for mass transport across short distances.

    The pedestrian thing is an issue though.

    but do you legalise them for the road or pavement?
    Pavement. They are too unstable for the road, and you really really don't want to be sharing bus and cycle lanes with them.
    and if you are a pedestrian you really don't want to be sharing the pavement with them.
    Yup.
    But if they are on the roads people will die. If they are on pavements people will be annoyed.
    I see a big bloke most mornings probably going 15mph on the pavement, I would say if he gets it wrong he could kill somebody.

    If people chose to use them they can play in the traffic and not be inflicted on peds
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    First.Aspect said:

    pangolin said:

    First.Aspect said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    The Cambridge ones are auto slowed to well below walking pace in certain built up areas.

    Singapore (singers) has banned them which seems a little Draconian as they are excellent for mass transport across short distances.

    The pedestrian thing is an issue though.

    but do you legalise them for the road or pavement?
    Pavement. They are too unstable for the road, and you really really don't want to be sharing bus and cycle lanes with them.
    and if you are a pedestrian you really don't want to be sharing the pavement with them.
    Yup.
    But if they are on the roads people will die. If they are on pavements people will be annoyed.
    They are on the roads in Bristol (the official voi ones) and this has not resulted in mass deaths.
    No, but cycling on the pavement would kill thousands, right.

    I've seen them on Lothian Road in Edinburgh. To be honest it's only a matter of time - small wheels, plus potholes = face plant. Funny 99.9% of the time, except when you do it in front of a bus, etc.

    Probably it's a bit of a non issue either way. I can't see widespread adoption of them, because its a bit of a crapp way to get around.
    Maybe, just maybe, what Edinburgh needs is a set of connections between the segregated shared paths north of A8/Princes St/Leith walk, and places in the south people might want to go. Like the University of Edinburgh campuses. Or the Meadows. Using a design that looks less lethal than the northbound zigzag bike lane in TollX, or the sweeping corner going down Queensferry road with the bumps, the gravelly bits, and tree leaves/dust.

    Anyway, I'm all for escooters on bike lanes, at up to current ebike speeds. I don't want them doing 30 mph and mixing it with pedestrians.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,966
    First.Aspect said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    The Cambridge ones are auto slowed to well below walking pace in certain built up areas.

    Singapore (singers) has banned them which seems a little Draconian as they are excellent for mass transport across short distances.

    The pedestrian thing is an issue though.

    but do you legalise them for the road or pavement?
    Pavement. They are too unstable for the road, and you really really don't want to be sharing bus and cycle lanes with them.
    and if you are a pedestrian you really don't want to be sharing the pavement with them.
    Yup.
    But if they are on the roads people will die. If they are on pavements people will be annoyed.

    IIRC, there have been some deaths in Paris, where in a recent referendum the public voted overwhelmingly to stop them being legal.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,497
    briantrumpet said:

    First.Aspect said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    First.Aspect said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    shirley_basso said:

    The Cambridge ones are auto slowed to well below walking pace in certain built up areas.

    Singapore (singers) has banned them which seems a little Draconian as they are excellent for mass transport across short distances.

    The pedestrian thing is an issue though.

    but do you legalise them for the road or pavement?
    Pavement. They are too unstable for the road, and you really really don't want to be sharing bus and cycle lanes with them.
    and if you are a pedestrian you really don't want to be sharing the pavement with them.
    Yup.
    But if they are on the roads people will die. If they are on pavements people will be annoyed.

    IIRC, there have been some deaths in Paris, where in a recent referendum the public voted overwhelmingly to stop them being legal.
    There you go.

    I guess they get in the way of those poodlepoopickup machines they have there.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Will this Tory govt leave a joke note saying “sorry, there’s no houses left”?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    And PS we basically nationalised the rail service before you got a chance to
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    The high tax, open borders, renationalising anti home building party has something to p!ss everyone off.


    But this story in Redcar is extra bad:

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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,193
    rick_chasey said:

    Will this Tory govt leave a joke note saying “sorry, there’s no houses left”?


    Nick Clegg was in coalition government from 2010-2015. One of the lowest periods of building homes for people to live.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Will this Tory govt leave a joke note saying “sorry, there’s no houses left”?


    Nick Clegg was in coalition government from 2010-2015. One of the lowest periods of building homes for people to live.
    OK.

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Will this Tory govt leave a joke note saying “sorry, there’s no houses left”?


    Nick Clegg was in coalition government from 2010-2015. One of the lowest periods of building homes for people to live.
    You seem a bit fixated on Clegg. I think you can imagine why there might have been a contraction in house building from 2008, independent of which flavour of politician was running DCLG.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    rick_chasey said:

    The high tax, open borders, renationalising anti home building party has something to p!ss everyone off.


    But this story in Redcar is extra bad:

    There's nothing wrong with Redcar that tactical nuclear weapons couldn't solve...

    This is worth a watch if you're interested and can find a repeat:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mighty_Redcar
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I did watch it at the time!
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    rick_chasey said:

    I did watch it at the time!

    Ah OK! I thought I was quite good. A few bits were filmed not too far from where I used to live.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I mainly remember that guy with a fro
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,691
    rick_chasey said:

    The high tax, open borders, renationalising anti home building party has something to p!ss everyone off.


    But this story in Redcar is extra bad:

    Whilst it looks like blatant corruption up there I do think that Labour leaflet was doing everything it could to look like a Conservative document without quite saying it was from the Conservatives. It should be clear on all political propaganda who it has been produced by, all sides seem to be getting bad for this.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    The high tax, open borders, renationalising anti home building party has something to p!ss everyone off.


    But this story in Redcar is extra bad:

    Whilst it looks like blatant corruption up there I do think that Labour leaflet was doing everything it could to look like a Conservative document without quite saying it was from the Conservatives. It should be clear on all political propaganda who it has been produced by, all sides seem to be getting bad for this.
    I agree. It’s the same thing with print adverts made to look like a normal article.
    A tiny font, pale text footnote somewhere declaring what it is and by whom isn’t really ’honest’.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Using your position as police commissioner to send the rozzers round to your political opponents is worse…
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    rick_chasey said:

    Using your position as police commissioner to send the rozzers round to your political opponents is worse…

    Don’t disagree. But the whole thing shows a descent into low blows from both sides.

    Something both sides need to pull away from. The US should be a warning, not an aspiration.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,691
    rick_chasey said:

    Using your position as police commissioner to send the rozzers round to your political opponents is worse…

    Sure but the campaigning techniques are getting more and more underhand. All Parties should have to make it clear at the top of their publicity who has produced it and should only use the official colour scheme of the Party.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Using your position as police commissioner to send the rozzers round to your political opponents is worse…

    Sure but the campaigning techniques are getting more and more underhand. All Parties should have to make it clear at the top of their publicity who has produced it and should only use the official colour scheme of the Party.
    I have limited sympathy with this. People need to not take things for granted and be a bit more savvy than just assuming something is official Conservative correspondence because it has a blue stripe across the top.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,497
    rjsterry said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Using your position as police commissioner to send the rozzers round to your political opponents is worse…

    Sure but the campaigning techniques are getting more and more underhand. All Parties should have to make it clear at the top of their publicity who has produced it and should only use the official colour scheme of the Party.
    I have limited sympathy with this. People need to not take things for granted and be a bit more savvy than just assuming something is official Conservative correspondence because it has a blue stripe across the top.
    c.f. Parking Charge Notice.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,162
    rjsterry said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Using your position as police commissioner to send the rozzers round to your political opponents is worse…

    Sure but the campaigning techniques are getting more and more underhand. All Parties should have to make it clear at the top of their publicity who has produced it and should only use the official colour scheme of the Party.
    I have limited sympathy with this. People need to not take things for granted and be a bit more savvy than just assuming something is official Conservative correspondence because it has a blue stripe across the top.
    This.
    The leaflet set out to address Tory voters, if it had Labour all over it it would have been recycle bin fodder. Although I’ve seen ballot papers crammed with ludicrously similar party names such as, The Peoples Labour Party, Conservatives for Law and Order, the Real Liberals, along side the official parties, all designed to confuse and split votes.
    Voters are given the power so must also take responsibility.

    Beware the Conservative Democratic Organisation ;)

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,497
    Conservative Unionist Negotiating Team.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660


    Lol no wonder there’s a housing shortage.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    (Should add despite May’s protestations they are including international students, which of course is one of the biggest money spinners the UK has.)
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,497
    We have taken control of our borders.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-interview/2023/05/simon-mcdonald-interview-end-game-britain

    This is quite the interview.
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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Jacob Rees Hogg was on the radio claiming that the Russians would have conquered Ukraine if Britain was still in the EU. I have often wondered why he was so thin clearly the answer is he’s a crack addict.

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