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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pblakeney said:

    Anyway, this Conservative party.
    What's up there?

    They have been hijacked by non-Conservatives. Their belief in the power of the State and tax and spend mantra puts them on a par with Ed Miliband.

    Unlike with Trump and the Republican Party it is surprisingly easy to eject the cuckoo
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660


    “Record number of young people on benefit”

    A bit lower “These £1.3m homes are ideal for retired people”

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    Anyway, this Conservative party.
    What's up there?

    They have been hijacked by non-Conservatives. Their belief in the power of the State and tax and spend mantra puts them on a par with Ed Miliband.

    Unlike with Trump and the Republican Party it is surprisingly easy to eject the cuckoo
    They’re right wing on cultural issues though.

    Modern right wing is more about that nowadays.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    Anyway, this Conservative party.
    What's up there?

    They have been hijacked by non-Conservatives. Their belief in the power of the State and tax and spend mantra puts them on a par with Ed Miliband.

    Unlike with Trump and the Republican Party it is surprisingly easy to eject the cuckoo
    They’re right wing on cultural issues though.

    Modern right wing is more about that nowadays.
    You are just equating nationalism with right wing
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    Anyway, this Conservative party.
    What's up there?

    They have been hijacked by non-Conservatives. Their belief in the power of the State and tax and spend mantra puts them on a par with Ed Miliband.

    Unlike with Trump and the Republican Party it is surprisingly easy to eject the cuckoo
    They’re right wing on cultural issues though.

    Modern right wing is more about that nowadays.
    You are just equating nationalism with right wing
    Nah. I’m not. I’ve been saying this for a while.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Right wing comedy:

  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,660
    rick_chasey said:



    “Record number of young people on benefit”

    A bit lower “These £1.3m homes are ideal for retired people”

    £445k - £1,325k. I sort of agree with your point but you weaken it when you sensationalise this stuff.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    kingstongraham said:

    Right wing comedy:

    The irony, of course, being that the culture of vicious and humourless ad hom attacks like this one are most commonly seen coming from the left.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    bompington said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Right wing comedy:

    The irony, of course, being that the culture of vicious and humourless ad hom attacks like this one are most commonly seen coming from the left.
    There is very much a pass given to "look at Michael Gove, he's ugly" because it can be described as "punching up".

    Michael Gove on "A Stab in the Dark" is a treasure trove of terribleness. There's way more about him than how he looks.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,818
    edited September 2020
    Jeremy Hunt can barely conceal his glee...



    Shame about what's happened to the country, mind.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,499
    I did suggest for the past few years that nobody in their right mind would want to lead* us through the Brexit shambles. Add in a pandemic and...
    We got a leader that meets my expectation.

    *We may have got a leader who is meeting their expectations/goals at the same time.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,834
    kingstongraham said:

    bompington said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Right wing comedy:

    The irony, of course, being that the culture of vicious and humourless ad hom attacks like this one are most commonly seen coming from the left.
    There is very much a pass given to "look at Michael Gove, he's ugly" because it can be described as "punching up".

    Michael Gove on "A Stab in the Dark" is a treasure trove of terribleness. There's way more about him than how he looks.
    To be fair, he has a point about about polys being a good springboard to a career in the lower rungs of local government :smile:
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4jqep6 40:00 onwards is quite something.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,660
    kingstongraham said:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4jqep6 40:00 onwards is quite something.

    "so called experts" good to see this isn't a new phenomenon
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    Just listened to PMQs on my way home from a site visit. Starmer asks direct questions about the exam mess and Government u turns and after pulling Johnson up on not answering the first question Johnson responded along the lines of 'we got Brexit done which you wanted to stop' and a bizarre attack on Starmer for supporting the IRA which he understandably asked to be withdrawn having worked with the PSNI. Absolute car crash, Johnson seems to be morphing more and more into becoming Trump.

    Ironically, at almost exactly the time Johnson wasn't answering the u turn question his Government were announcing another u turn regarding lockdowns up north!
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,767
    Pross said:

    Just listened to PMQs on my way home from a site visit. Starmer asks direct questions about the exam mess and Government u turns and after pulling Johnson up on not answering the first question Johnson responded along the lines of 'we got Brexit done which you wanted to stop' and a bizarre attack on Starmer for supporting the IRA which he understandably asked to be withdrawn having worked with the PSNI. Absolute car crash, Johnson seems to be morphing more and more into becoming Trump.

    Ironically, at almost exactly the time Johnson wasn't answering the u turn question his Government were announcing another u turn regarding lockdowns up north!


    Maybe being a bit lazy, dishonest, and knowing a bit of Latin aren't the best qualifications for being PM or being able to answer questions from someone who's a QC. But he has got an 80-seat majority, of course.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,818
    The chair of Ofqual has stated that their original proposals were: 1st preference - hold the exams; 2nd preference - delay the exams; 3rd preference - offer a teachers' certificate in lieu of grades. It was Williamson's decision to cancel exams and award grades, made without consultation. The infamous algorithm was their attempt to provide what the SoS had already announced. Not sure this explains why the attempt at an algorithm was so poor, but there you go.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Therese Coffey has suggested cutting taxes to raise the money to pay for the coronavirus spending.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    briantrumpet said:

    Pross said:

    Just listened to PMQs on my way home from a site visit. Starmer asks direct questions about the exam mess and Government u turns and after pulling Johnson up on not answering the first question Johnson responded along the lines of 'we got Brexit done which you wanted to stop' and a bizarre attack on Starmer for supporting the IRA which he understandably asked to be withdrawn having worked with the PSNI. Absolute car crash, Johnson seems to be morphing more and more into becoming Trump.

    Ironically, at almost exactly the time Johnson wasn't answering the u turn question his Government were announcing another u turn regarding lockdowns up north!


    Maybe being a bit lazy, dishonest, and knowing a bit of Latin aren't the best qualifications for being PM or being able to answer questions from someone who's a QC. But he has got an 80-seat majority, of course.
    It was painful to listen to, it also highlighted just how bad Corbyn was not only when he was taking Johnson on at PMQs but in making Johnson electable.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    Also, regarding PMQs - why don't those with a question do a bit of liaison with each other? Is there really any point in 5 or 6 people asking the same question regarding extending furlough? Either the PM will avoid answering the question or you get the same answer over and over.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Pross said:

    Just listened to PMQs on my way home from a site visit. Starmer asks direct questions about the exam mess and Government u turns and after pulling Johnson up on not answering the first question Johnson responded along the lines of 'we got Brexit done which you wanted to stop' and a bizarre attack on Starmer for supporting the IRA which he understandably asked to be withdrawn having worked with the PSNI. Absolute car crash, Johnson seems to be morphing more and more into becoming Trump.

    Ironically, at almost exactly the time Johnson wasn't answering the u turn question his Government were announcing another u turn regarding lockdowns up north!

    Johnson setting the ground there to comprehensively defeat Mr Corbyn in the last election.

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    edited September 2020
    rjsterry said:

    The chair of Ofqual has stated that their original proposals were: 1st preference - hold the exams; 2nd preference - delay the exams; 3rd preference - offer a teachers' certificate in lieu of grades. It was Williamson's decision to cancel exams and award grades, made without consultation. The infamous algorithm was their attempt to provide what the SoS had already announced. Not sure this explains why the attempt at an algorithm was so poor, but there you go.

    The interesting thing is Ofqual is supposed to be independent of government, so should be taking some responsibility. I think options 1-3, plus a slightly better algorithm would all have been better than the actual outcome.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,818
    I've heard differing views on the extent of its independence. Assuming they were presented with a "this is what I've said you will do" by the SoS, they still need to explain how they made *such* a bad job of the algorithm, but just holding the exams one way or another would have obviously been preferable.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,767
    edited September 2020
    It seems that PMQ is now PME (evasions) - Johnson even got rebuked by the Speaker.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/02/boris-johnson-has-got-raise-game-pmqs-total-shambles/

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/02/keir-starmer-condemns-johnson-for-accusing-him-of-ira-tolerance
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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    I guess we’ll get to find out if we are more or less tolerant of an idiot in charge than the yanks.
    At least our idiot does get challenged regularly in a way that Trump can just avoid.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,767
    morstar said:

    I guess we’ll get to find out if we are more or less tolerant of an idiot in charge than the yanks.
    At least our idiot does get challenged regularly in a way that Trump can just avoid.


    Interestingly, even the BLT comments in The Telegraph include several "I voted for the Brexit Boris, not this one" comments. Normally BLT comments in the Telegraph appear to be written by people to the right of Trump.

    Oh, just a reminder that he has an 80-seat majority, in case anyone had forgotten.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,767
    When The Telegraph is reporting that the back-to-the-office drive is a total shambles within the government, you can be pretty sure it's a total shambles.,,, like pretty much everything they are doing, it seems.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/02/campaign-get-britain-back-work-flounders/

    "One senior minister said: “The Prime Minister is keen to push on with this but I’m not sure everyone around him is.”

    "Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, undermined the back to work message last week when he said he only cared about how effective people were, not where they work.

    "His views are at odds with more hawkish Cabinet ministers, who fear that the country is sleepwalking into an unemployment catastrophe because of the shift to home working."

    I'm sure there must be something they aren't cocking up.

    Surely?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    I'm really struggling with this people working from home will result in redundancy message. Do they think people have become more efficient working from home and employers will need fewer staff?
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Pross said:

    I'm really struggling with this people working from home will result in redundancy message. Do they think people have become more efficient working from home and employers will need fewer staff?

    It is bizarre, I can only assume it is aimed at public servants? Or it is just a plain old scare tactic for those who do not know any better? As Rick pointed out, how a private company organises it's labour is no business of the government, not at all. The wfh staff at my employer will be staying there for a while as far as I'm aware, firstly due to the need to implement social distancing on site and secondly they don't want an outbreak causing a mass disruption to business.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,767
    edited September 2020
    verylonglegs said:

    Pross said:

    I'm really struggling with this people working from home will result in redundancy message. Do they think people have become more efficient working from home and employers will need fewer staff?

    It is bizarre, I can only assume it is aimed at public servants? Or it is just a plain old scare tactic for those who do not know any better? As Rick pointed out, how a private company organises it's labour is no business of the government, not at all. The wfh staff at my employer will be staying there for a while as far as I'm aware, firstly due to the need to implement social distancing on site and secondly they don't want an outbreak causing a mass disruption to business.

    Maybe they are realising they might have backed the wrong horse (city centres) with ever-increasing bets (infrastructure and transport), when the future lies in a less centralised workforce, the infrastructure for that (the internet) having proved itself fit for for purpose during CV19, and having been developed with minimal government intervention. You'd have thought Tories would have hailed that as a triumph.
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