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There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
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And how many will die in the next 7 years at the hand of Taliban justice or trying to resist them. The world is not a perfect place. Quite a few Brits died fighting the Nazi's. Sometimes to effect change there is a cost. Biden is right in his view that they have spent a bucket load of money and little to any progress has been made. How long should the US and the UK prop up this basket case of a country. For the record I would not have went there in the first place.rjsterry said:
Would that include the 45,000 Afghans who have died fighting the Taliban in the last 7 years?john80 said:
If that is the case can you explain why they put up the fight more akin to the losing side in our last general election than those who thought they were losing some pretty significant liberties.elbowloh said:
Indeed. They're not cultural norms.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Am I right in saying that the majority of the country did not/does not support the Taliban?
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You do realise the Government ran away? Who are these brave Afghans going to be fighting for and who is supplying them with the weapons to fight an enemy that, at best, the combined might of NATO forces were just about able to hold at bay?john80 said:
And how many will die in the next 7 years at the hand of Taliban justice or trying to resist them. The world is not a perfect place. Quite a few Brits died fighting the Nazi's. Sometimes to effect change there is a cost. Biden is right in his view that they have spent a bucket load of money and little to any progress has been made. How long should the US and the UK prop up this basket case of a country. For the record I would not have went there in the first place.rjsterry said:
Would that include the 45,000 Afghans who have died fighting the Taliban in the last 7 years?john80 said:
If that is the case can you explain why they put up the fight more akin to the losing side in our last general election than those who thought they were losing some pretty significant liberties.elbowloh said:
Indeed. They're not cultural norms.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Am I right in saying that the majority of the country did not/does not support the Taliban?0 -
Because they're not battle hardened veterans, were led by corrupt officers/politicians and hadn't been paid for ages. Many only joined the army as it was the only job going.john80 said:
If that is the case can you explain why they put up the fight more akin to the losing side in our last general election than those who thought they were losing some pretty significant liberties.elbowloh said:
Indeed. They're not cultural norms.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Am I right in saying that the majority of the country did not/does not support the Taliban?
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Why are you bothered. Why is anyone bothered. If they don't fight for the freedoms they have had for the last 20 years then why should anyone else. The problem the the west versus the Taliban analogy is that those two sides are playing by different rules. If the Taliban fighters were walking through the streets unsure which window had a local sniper waiting to take them down they probably would not be roaming the streets looking for women to slay for having their hair out as it would become a risky endeavour. How many Taliban have to go missing a day before their fear starts to kick in?Pross said:
You do realise the Government ran away? Who are these brave Afghans going to be fighting for and who is supplying them with the weapons to fight an enemy that, at best, the combined might of NATO forces were just about able to hold at bay?john80 said:
And how many will die in the next 7 years at the hand of Taliban justice or trying to resist them. The world is not a perfect place. Quite a few Brits died fighting the Nazi's. Sometimes to effect change there is a cost. Biden is right in his view that they have spent a bucket load of money and little to any progress has been made. How long should the US and the UK prop up this basket case of a country. For the record I would not have went there in the first place.rjsterry said:
Would that include the 45,000 Afghans who have died fighting the Taliban in the last 7 years?john80 said:
If that is the case can you explain why they put up the fight more akin to the losing side in our last general election than those who thought they were losing some pretty significant liberties.elbowloh said:
Indeed. They're not cultural norms.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Am I right in saying that the majority of the country did not/does not support the Taliban?0 -
And those weak willed individuals will no doubt join the Taliban for whatever job is going. You are making the argument that our withdrawal was the right thing to do and further reinforcing the point that whilst they might not like the Taliban they seem quite ambivalent to their return.elbowloh said:
Because they're not battle hardened veterans, were led by corrupt officers/politicians and hadn't been paid for ages. Many only joined the army as it was the only job going.john80 said:
If that is the case can you explain why they put up the fight more akin to the losing side in our last general election than those who thought they were losing some pretty significant liberties.elbowloh said:
Indeed. They're not cultural norms.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Am I right in saying that the majority of the country did not/does not support the Taliban?0 -
I suppose you'd be first to go to the front line if the UK was invaded?john80 said:
And those weak willed individuals will no doubt join the Taliban for whatever job is going. You are making the argument that our withdrawal was the right thing to do and further reinforcing the point that whilst they might not like the Taliban they seem quite ambivalent to their return.elbowloh said:
Because they're not battle hardened veterans, were led by corrupt officers/politicians and hadn't been paid for ages. Many only joined the army as it was the only job going.john80 said:
If that is the case can you explain why they put up the fight more akin to the losing side in our last general election than those who thought they were losing some pretty significant liberties.elbowloh said:
Indeed. They're not cultural norms.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Am I right in saying that the majority of the country did not/does not support the Taliban?
Do you think we were wrong to fight in WW2 when Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands and France were overran with frightening speed?0 -
The Taliban - an imported ideology funded by Pakistan's ISI - were only in control of Afghanistan for 5 years before being pushed out by the 2001 invasion. You might also remember that they famously went around blowing up the local cultural landmarks. You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.john80 said:
There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
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It is true that some would like this to be the case.rjsterry said:... You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And not inconceivable that with a complete absence of government or police, plus significant funding from a neighbouring country, that they might succeed in taking over.pblakeney said:
It is true that some would like this to be the case.rjsterry said:... You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.
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Is your argument that Afghanistan isn't naturally as conservative as Pakistan? I don't know whether that is true, but it is the case that burka shops were still selling their wares long after the Taliban were gone. I also suspect it varies by region.rjsterry said:
The Taliban - an imported ideology funded by Pakistan's ISI - were only in control of Afghanistan for 5 years before being pushed out by the 2001 invasion. You might also remember that they famously went around blowing up the local cultural landmarks. You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.john80 said:
There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
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This was Afghanistan in the 70s, very westernised, in the cities at least. Much like Iran before their "cultural revolution"TheBigBean said:
Is your argument that Afghanistan isn't naturally as conservative as Pakistan? I don't know whether that is true, but it is the case that burka shops were still selling their wares long after the Taliban were gone. I also suspect it varies by region.rjsterry said:
The Taliban - an imported ideology funded by Pakistan's ISI - were only in control of Afghanistan for 5 years before being pushed out by the 2001 invasion. You might also remember that they famously went around blowing up the local cultural landmarks. You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.john80 said:
There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Kabul was apparently known as "the Paris of Central Asia"
https://www.google.com/search?q=afghanistan+in+yhr+70s&oq=afghanistan+in+yhr+70s&aqs=chrome..69i57.6556j0j7&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-80 -
My argument is that while it was/is fairly conservative by UK standards, and I'd certainly agree that there are regional urban/rural differences (as there are in many places), that's a long way from stoning people to death being a 'cultural norm'.TheBigBean said:
Is your argument that Afghanistan isn't naturally as conservative as Pakistan? I don't know whether that is true, but it is the case that burka shops were still selling their wares long after the Taliban were gone. I also suspect it varies by region.rjsterry said:
The Taliban - an imported ideology funded by Pakistan's ISI - were only in control of Afghanistan for 5 years before being pushed out by the 2001 invasion. You might also remember that they famously went around blowing up the local cultural landmarks. You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.john80 said:
There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
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I am genuinely torn with whether this comparison is amusing or a sign of obsessive behaviour.rjsterry said:
And not inconceivable that with a complete absence of government or police, plus significant funding from a neighbouring country, that they might succeed in taking over.pblakeney said:
It is true that some would like this to be the case.rjsterry said:... You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.
A better comparison than Britain First would be Brexit where you have a hard core or ideologues but many others joining the fray for reasons unconnected to the original cause.
With a nod to Priti Patel they have enforced stricter border controls0 -
Sure, but it only really looks at how the elite lived during a period of communism in big cities which probably isn't that reflective of the whole country. It definitely shows a greater level of tolerance though.elbowloh said:
This was Afghanistan in the 70s, very westernised, in the cities at least. Much like Iran before their "cultural revolution"TheBigBean said:
Is your argument that Afghanistan isn't naturally as conservative as Pakistan? I don't know whether that is true, but it is the case that burka shops were still selling their wares long after the Taliban were gone. I also suspect it varies by region.rjsterry said:
The Taliban - an imported ideology funded by Pakistan's ISI - were only in control of Afghanistan for 5 years before being pushed out by the 2001 invasion. You might also remember that they famously went around blowing up the local cultural landmarks. You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.john80 said:
There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Kabul was apparently known as "the Paris of Central Asia"
https://www.google.com/search?q=afghanistan+in+yhr+70s&oq=afghanistan+in+yhr+70s&aqs=chrome..69i57.6556j0j7&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
If you travel along the hippy trail today, by far the biggest cultural jump is crossing from Iran to Pakistan. Perhaps Afghanistan was something of a bridge between the two before.0 -
I see we can add army commander / resistance leader to the ever burgeoning list of jobs that john80 can do better than anyone.0
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Maybe so, but the metropolitans living a western life did not stop the rural Afghanistani's living their own, more conservative lives. I don't think the Taliban will tolerate any sort of western freedoms. It'll be their form of sharia everywhere under their control.TheBigBean said:
Sure, but it only really looks at how the elite lived during a period of communism in big cities which probably isn't that reflective of the whole country. It definitely shows a greater level of tolerance though.elbowloh said:
This was Afghanistan in the 70s, very westernised, in the cities at least. Much like Iran before their "cultural revolution"TheBigBean said:
Is your argument that Afghanistan isn't naturally as conservative as Pakistan? I don't know whether that is true, but it is the case that burka shops were still selling their wares long after the Taliban were gone. I also suspect it varies by region.rjsterry said:
The Taliban - an imported ideology funded by Pakistan's ISI - were only in control of Afghanistan for 5 years before being pushed out by the 2001 invasion. You might also remember that they famously went around blowing up the local cultural landmarks. You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.john80 said:
There was a Taliban spokesmen getting interviewed on the news the other day stating the punishment for adultery in marriage. It was death as a spoiler alert. There are literally hundreds of examples of women being stoned to death prior to our entry into Afghanistan. Are you really refuting this evidence.rjsterry said:
You might want to check how accurate that 'fact' is.john80 said:
It is the cultural norm prior to the last 20 years to follow an extreme version of Sharia law. This is a fact and is going to become a reality for afghans. Infidelity in marriage is a death sentence under their sentencing code. Those clinging to planes might have been better grabbing a weapon and seeing how many Taliban they could take out before their inevitable demise.rjsterry said:
The idea that people are clinging to the undercarriage of a moving plane to escape 'cultural norms' is quite a bit of mental gymnastics.john80 said:
I am merely pointing out the fallacy that we can protect people from other cultures and traditions that we find abhorrent. For sure we in the West have some ability to stop big one of events such as ethnic cleansing but usually a fair few die before we get there and we are not very good at solving this outside of the continent of Europe. What we can't do is save people from cultural norms such as people being forced to wear a Burkha or get stoned to death. It is for the people of Afghanistan to sort this out and they have had 20 years of support to kick this into touch and have failed miserably. If we were scoring the population of Afghanistan on their efforts what would we be giving them.kingstongraham said:Didn't see this new argument from john80 in favour of accepting half the population of Afghanistan coming.
Kabul was apparently known as "the Paris of Central Asia"
https://www.google.com/search?q=afghanistan+in+yhr+70s&oq=afghanistan+in+yhr+70s&aqs=chrome..69i57.6556j0j7&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
If you travel along the hippy trail today, by far the biggest cultural jump is crossing from Iran to Pakistan. Perhaps Afghanistan was something of a bridge between the two before.0 -
Even Karachi used to have clubs and a night life. Hard to imagine now. Tolerance has also left Pakistan.0
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maybe he could teach them how to do it?Pross said:I see we can add army commander / resistance leader to the ever burgeoning list of jobs that john80 can do better than anyone.
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And Imran Khan was king of the Karachi night club scene back in the day. Now his wife wears a burka.TheBigBean said:Even Karachi used to have clubs and a night life. Hard to imagine now. Tolerance has also left Pakistan.
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Jemima used to wear a headscarf. Plenty of pictures of his current wife in a head scarf only too. She seems to have caused controversy by wearing a veil though. Arguably, it's bit like the reaction to the PM's wife's clothes in this country - irrelevant.elbowloh said:
And Imran Khan was king of the Karachi night club scene back in the day. Now his wife wears a burka.TheBigBean said:Even Karachi used to have clubs and a night life. Hard to imagine now. Tolerance has also left Pakistan.
For what it is worth, I wore conservative clothes in Pakistan, and would have worn a head scarf if I was a woman.0 -
Imran was trying to forge his political career when he was married to Jemima, it wasn't in his nightclubbing days.TheBigBean said:
Jemima used to wear a headscarf. Plenty of pictures of his current wife in a head scarf only too. She seems to have caused controversy by wearing a veil though. Arguably, it's bit like the reaction to the PM's wife's clothes in this country - irrelevant.elbowloh said:
And Imran Khan was king of the Karachi night club scene back in the day. Now his wife wears a burka.TheBigBean said:Even Karachi used to have clubs and a night life. Hard to imagine now. Tolerance has also left Pakistan.
For what it is worth, I wore conservative clothes in Pakistan, and would have worn a head scarf if I was a woman.0 -
You can mix and match if you like. Farage's infamous poster offers a nice link. Point is, I don't think we're as far away from that sort of breakdown as we like to think.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely torn with whether this comparison is amusing or a sign of obsessive behaviour.rjsterry said:
And not inconceivable that with a complete absence of government or police, plus significant funding from a neighbouring country, that they might succeed in taking over.pblakeney said:
It is true that some would like this to be the case.rjsterry said:... You might as well state that it is a 'fact' that Britain First are representative of British 'cultural norms'.
A better comparison than Britain First would be Brexit where you have a hard core or ideologues but many others joining the fray for reasons unconnected to the original cause.
With a nod to Priti Patel they have enforced stricter border controls1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Did you see his message following the fall of Kabul? Could be paraphrased as 'Well done lads'.elbowloh said:
And Imran Khan was king of the Karachi night club scene back in the day. Now his wife wears a burka.TheBigBean said:Even Karachi used to have clubs and a night life. Hard to imagine now. Tolerance has also left Pakistan.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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And now they've told the people who have been guarding the UK Kabul embassy for the last decade don't qualify for evacuation. There really is no crisis this government can't make worse.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Look how we treated the Gurkhas.rjsterry said:And now they've told the people who have been guarding the UK Kabul embassy for the last decade don't qualify for evacuation. There really is no crisis this government can't make worse.
It is a long standing tradition of shafting those who help. #shameful
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It is appalling.rjsterry said:And now they've told the people who have been guarding the UK Kabul embassy for the last decade don't qualify for evacuation. There really is no crisis this government can't make worse.
*this is the problem when you elect populists. They are universally bad governors.*
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Which country is covering itself in glory? The Dutch and Swedish left without bothering to tell the embassy staff.rick_chasey said:
It is appalling.rjsterry said:And now they've told the people who have been guarding the UK Kabul embassy for the last decade don't qualify for evacuation. There really is no crisis this government can't make worse.
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I shouldn't find Dominic Raabs refusal to resign staggering but the depths this cabinet and government sink to are ridiculous.
After David Milliband was overlooked I never thought I would ever vote for Labour again and have abstained in every election since. I feel I have no choice but to vote for them now as this is just utter incompetence.0 -
None. It doesn't excuse the actions of ourselves though.TheBigBean said:
Which country is covering itself in glory? The Dutch and Swedish left without bothering to tell the embassy staff.rick_chasey said:
It is appalling.rjsterry said:And now they've told the people who have been guarding the UK Kabul embassy for the last decade don't qualify for evacuation. There really is no crisis this government can't make worse.
*this is the problem when you elect populists. They are universally bad governors.*0
