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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 21,153
    Maybe we should have a 'Desperate Telegraph headlines' thread... let's see, how many keywords can someone cram into a ridiculous headline?


  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,698
    A comment that could have gone in pretty much every thread in cake stop this week, but this one will do. Bandwagon jumping seems to be the latest trend.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pblakeney said:

    A comment that could have gone in pretty much every thread in cake stop this week, but this one will do. Bandwagon jumping seems to be the latest trend.

    If we lose and she stays on the bandwagon long enough she will be able to witness the racist abuse flung at the “non-English” members of the team
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,995
    edited July 2021
    To think, someone has been paid to write this.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-prime-ministers-levelling-up-speech-15-july-2021

    Or at least write it down.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,995
    rjsterry said:

    To think, someone has been paid to write this.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-prime-ministers-levelling-up-speech-15-july-2021

    Or at least write it down.

    Bad luck, Red Wall seats. The flagship policy that you were all banking on is just a random collection of words. The reason it won't disadvantage Southern seats is that there is nothing there.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,683
    The whole levelling up thing is so transparently just a slogan instead of a policy. At least the northern powerhouse slogan sort of had some vague ideas tied to it.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,995
    Few people can have said so little with so many words.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,322

    Yebbut. 80 seat majority.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,752
    orraloon said:


    Yebbut. 80 seat majority.

    Moaning leftie, he'd fit in well in Cake Stop etc. (Just saving someone else having to type).
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,322
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    orraloon said:


    Yebbut. 80 seat majority.

    Please tell me that is a joke.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,070

    Please tell me that is a joke.
    An 80 seat majority is no joke for a lot of Cake Stoppers.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,752
    House
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,322

    Please tell me that is a joke.
    The quoted bit has been published in media various, did run a search and didn't find any 'this is spoof' denials.

    My bit? See above.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    edited July 2021
    orraloon said:

    The quoted bit has been published in media various, did run a search and didn't find any 'this is spoof' denials.

    My bit? See above.
    If I was important enough to feel it necessary to release a personal statement I would proof read it, then I would get various members of staff to proof it and then I would do so again before sending it out.

    It could of course be that as an uneducated peasant I am reading it wrong
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,995

    If I was important enough to feel it necessary to release a personal statement I would proof read it, then I would get various members of staff to proof it and then I would do so again before sending it out.

    It could of course be that as an uneducated peasant I am reading it wrong
    Looks pretty straightforward to me, if somewhat futile.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/will-the-great-wealth-transfer-spark-a-millennial-civil-war.html

    This is excellent on the generational economics and what problems it may cause (US centric but same applies).
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,698
    I predict that the "Millennial Civil War" will end when -
    "This transfer will constitute the largest redistribution of wealth in human history. Generation X stands to inherit 57 percent of that $68.4 trillion; millennials will collect the bulk of the rest."
    They will then switch to more preservative policies. As did the previous generations.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    pblakeney said:

    I predict that the "Millennial Civil War" will end when -
    "This transfer will constitute the largest redistribution of wealth in human history. Generation X stands to inherit 57 percent of that $68.4 trillion; millennials will collect the bulk of the rest."
    They will then switch to more preservative policies. As did the previous generations.

    So the article explains why the writer thinks it will not happen.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,698

    So the article explains why the writer thinks it will not happen.
    Other opinions are available.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Sure. I was sort of expecting a counter to the article argument rather than ignoring it.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,698
    I gave my counter. You have to remember that these are just opinions on a cycling forum not peer reviewed studies. His is just a press article of his opinions. Quite easy to ignore.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Ok, i'll offer it up.
    pblakeney said:

    I predict that the "Millennial Civil War" will end when -
    "This transfer will constitute the largest redistribution of wealth in human history. Generation X stands to inherit 57 percent of that $68.4 trillion; millennials will collect the bulk of the rest."
    They will then switch to more preservative policies. As did the previous generations.

    The problem with the inheritance, as the article points out, is that only a small proportion will inherit the majority of that. So there will be a whole load left with nothing while a small load have an awful lot.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,136
    I got bored half way through.

    It shouldn't be possible to return to Victorian style of wealth distribution because now everyone gets a vote. No idea if that is relevant to the article.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,070

    Ok, i'll offer it up.

    The problem with the inheritance, as the article points out, is that only a small proportion will inherit the majority of that. So there will be a whole load left with nothing while a small load have an awful lot.
    That's life, parents to wanting to do the best for their kids. Same as throughout their lives, so goes much wider than just inheritance. I'm sure the underlying theme is is somehow Boomer connected though...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,698

    Ok, i'll offer it up.

    The problem with the inheritance, as the article points out, is that only a small proportion will inherit the majority of that. So there will be a whole load left with nothing while a small load have an awful lot.
    What's new?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,995
    edited July 2021
    Stevo_666 said:

    That's life, parents to wanting to do the best for their kids. Same as throughout their lives, so goes much wider than just inheritance. I'm sure the underlying theme is is somehow Boomer connected though...
    It's notable that thirty-somethings being gifted a 7-figure property by mum and dad is something of an 'emerging market'. It seems to be more about the parents tax planning than 'wanting the best'.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    I got bored half way through.

    It shouldn't be possible to return to Victorian style of wealth distribution because now everyone gets a vote. No idea if that is relevant to the article.

    So did I but am on a very boring monthly call so went back to it twice and reached the end.

    Bizarrely I am sure the author is trying to say that Rick needs to get over his theory that everything gets down to age.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,331

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/will-the-great-wealth-transfer-spark-a-millennial-civil-war.html

    This is excellent on the generational economics and what problems it may cause (US centric but same applies).

    If I'm reading it right, the article says that the coming divide is not between the boomer and millennial generations, but likely to be within the millennials between the have and have not classes (which will also have a racial divide).

    The risk the article posits is that this divide within millennials will result in not enough conflict regarding wealth (rather than culture war diversions), and the divisions in living standards growing wider because enough millennials are invested in the status quo.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,070
    edited July 2021
    rjsterry said:

    It's notable that thirty-somethings being gifted a 7-figure property by mum and dad is something of an 'emerging market'. It seems to be more about the parents tax planning than 'wanting the best'.
    Inheritance tax planning is hardly new, although care home fee planning may be a bigger issue for many in future.

    Less tax paid = more funds for kids.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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