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kingstongraham

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

rjsterry

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

Well quite.

But they 'only want what's best for their kids' or something.

It's apparently the only tax base that is broad enough to provide the money needed in the available time. The trouble with property taxes is that you have to wait for the transactions.

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

Sure, why not? Don't expect handouts from the state etc.

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

Sure, why not? Don't expect handouts from the state etc.

that is fair enough

what I don't understand is people who think payment is acceptable for some illnesses and not others. Seems a bit random that if you get dementia you pay your own way but if you break your neck playing rugby (other examples are available) the state gives you handouts.

webboo

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

Sure, why not? Don't expect handouts from the state etc.

that is fair enough

what I don't understand is people who think payment is acceptable for some illnesses and not others. Seems a bit random that if you get dementia you pay your own way but if you break your neck playing rugby (other examples are available) the state gives you handouts.

The state will pay for your health needs if you get Dementia but they won’t pay for your social care. However the trick is to get yourself or relative sectioned under section 3 of the mental health act then the state has to pay for all your aftercare.

TheBigBean

Wannabe kingmaker says he thought about crowning someone else after Dec 19 election.

rick_chasey

webboo said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

Sure, why not? Don't expect handouts from the state etc.

that is fair enough

what I don't understand is people who think payment is acceptable for some illnesses and not others. Seems a bit random that if you get dementia you pay your own way but if you break your neck playing rugby (other examples are available) the state gives you handouts.

The state will pay for your health needs if you get Dementia but they won’t pay for your social care. However the trick is to get yourself or relative sectioned under section 3 of the mental health act then the state has to pay for all your aftercare.

Easier said than done

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

Sure, why not? Don't expect handouts from the state etc.

that is fair enough

what I don't understand is people who think payment is acceptable for some illnesses and not others. Seems a bit random that if you get dementia you pay your own way but if you break your neck playing rugby (other examples are available) the state gives you handouts.

I'm suspicious that the level of long term support offered to some conditions is below your expectations.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rjsterry said:

Harry Cole reporting that Johnson and Sunak are close to agreeing an at least 1% raise in NIC to fund social care. It's like Gordon Brown 2.0.

I suppose that once you have broken your manifesto once it's that much easier to do it again.

Is it right you don't pay NI on pension income?

insane isn't it and annoyingly will be grist to RC's mill

the only hope is that they are about to integrate NI and income tax so pensioners pay the full whack.

You don't pay it after pension age; pension income or employment income.

Well that sounds like about the worst way they could propose to pay for it then.

But then I still don't understand why there's such an issue with people who have assets that mean they can afford it paying a whack of it themselves. Should be the Tory way.

what illnesses would you have on your list that you pay yourself if you have over £35k of assets? cancer seems pretty pricey and would save the NHS a fortune.

Sure, why not? Don't expect handouts from the state etc.

that is fair enough

what I don't understand is people who think payment is acceptable for some illnesses and not others. Seems a bit random that if you get dementia you pay your own way but if you break your neck playing rugby (other examples are available) the state gives you handouts.

I'm suspicious that the level of long term support offered to some conditions is below your expectations.

Ha. Yes, the home help for the rugby player with the broken neck counts as social care.

focuszing723

I bet Boris and the PM are snuggled up in their palatial pad sat down watching BBC2.

Jezyboy

TheBigBean said:

Wannabe kingmaker says he thought about crowning someone else after Dec 19 election.

Population mistake voting for the Conservative party to have a majority for voting Boris/Carrie to be PM.

rjsterry

"I know, let's pretend that the police officer already allocated to each area is part of some shiny new crime reduction strategy!"

A policy brought in by David Blunkett in 2004.

Imagine if this lot find out who has been defunding the police all along.

briantrumpet

Gosh, what is it with The Telegraph right now? Head over to the website, and it's just full of anger and attack: migrants, the BBC, UNESCO, SNP, Covid doom-peddlers, unions... they just don't seem very happy with the world they helped create...

Jezyboy

briantrumpet said:

Gosh, what is it with The Telegraph right now? Head over to the website, and it's just full of anger and attack: migrants, the BBC, UNESCO, SNP, Covid doom-peddlers, unions... they just don't seem very happy with the world they helped create...

Wait till they find out who has been in power for the last decade. The Telegraph will be fuming at them.

morstar

briantrumpet said:

Gosh, what is it with The Telegraph right now? Head over to the website, and it's just full of anger and attack: migrants, the BBC, UNESCO, SNP, Covid doom-peddlers, unions... they just don't seem very happy with the world they helped create...

I guess it is just the political equivalent of a war planes anti missile defence.
Just spray a load of stuff out to deflect any incoming attacks.
It seems they have tapped into this gammon core and need to keep the faces fiery red.
Genuine question is whether that is sustainable. I guess it probably is. As long as people are frustrated, you just need to channel their frustration.

If you’re making the policies that are keeping them frustrated and have a successful formula for distracting the blame, I guess you’ve found a winning formula.

Not a Tory but god I do miss the Tory party that actually stood for something.

rjsterry

Gammoncore sounds like a very niche type of dance music.

kingstongraham

At the unveiling of a memorial.

https://twitter.com/avenidazero/status/1420579379143450627

ddraver

Wasnt he struggling to pay for the first nanny..??

focuszing723

I read somewhere he's getting his frisky dog neutered. It does make you think...

rjsterry

kingstongraham said:

At the unveiling of a memorial.

https://twitter.com/avenidazero/status/1420579379143450627

Can't bear to not be the centre of attention, can he? Even when it's about police officers who died on duty he has to act like a toddler.

tailwindhome

Searched for "HS2" and this seems the most recent thread

Sound up

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/hs2-motion-detector-northern-irish-21222653

elbowloh

tailwindhome said:

Searched for "HS2" and this seems the most recent thread

Sound up

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/hs2-motion-detector-northern-irish-21222653

She was so disturbed by it, she went back again with her husband and child (or grandchild) to be subjected to it again for the purpose of photoshoot.

orraloon

Surprised the Tory fanboi club trio haven't been out in force bigging up Shiny Faced Dave's sterling efforts in assisting £320m of UK taxpayer money to disappear down the Greensill coffer drains. All fine, nothing to see here, move on

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58149765

pblakeney

orraloon said:

Surprised the Tory fanboi club trio haven't been out in force bigging up Shiny Faced Dave's sterling efforts in assisting £320m of UK taxpayer money to disappear down the Greensill coffer drains. All fine, nothing to see here, move on

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58149765

He took $10m for himself so it's only small cheese.

rick_chasey

So whilst Cameron is in the spotlight for fairly corrupt or at least sleazy and profitable behaviour, apparently Johnson threatened to sack Sunak for not being on board for opening the taps

morstar

Thought this was an interesting assessment of where politics currently sits in the UK.
Looks at the current landscape in more than just one dimension.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58186519

rick_chasey

morstar said:

Thought this was an interesting assessment of where politics currently sits in the UK.
Looks at the current landscape in more than just one dimension.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58186519

Haven’t people been saying this for about 6-7 years at least?

Jezyboy

"Skelton is one of the most influential centre-right thinkers in the country, whose previous book, Little Platoons, contained the seeds of Boris Johnson's flagship "levelling up" policy. "

Must be a short book.

morstar

rick_chasey said:

morstar said:

Thought this was an interesting assessment of where politics currently sits in the UK.
Looks at the current landscape in more than just one dimension.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58186519

Haven’t people been saying this for about 6-7 years at least?

What’s your point? It’s a topic that gets discussed on here regularly and here is an article on it in the press. Therefore it seemed relevant to share.
Obviously it isn’t basing it all on age.