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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    rick_chasey said:

    Who knew an anti war march on Remembrance Day would be so badly received.

    Its not on Remembrance Sunday. Its on Armistice Day.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?
    _
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    You are being ironic though, right?

    Armistice.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,327
    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.

    I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.
    Fwiw, I think she's fairly well rated in the conservative home polls.
    ...
    Well, the right wing people that I know want her and Rishi to go back to where they came from. Pointing out that they are British didn't seem to alter their thoughts.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    No evidence by the way to suggest Sunak doesn't approve of this stuff.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    surrey_commuter said:

    I was around that way on Tuesday and the Met were on the ground (and air) already and were forming up the cavalry.

    Suella has made a rod for the Met's back and if anybody tries to get near the Cenotaph they will be beaten off.

    Any suggestion of disrupting Remembrance Day definitely fails Rick's citizenship test

    Tuesday was the King's Speech, with the procession going down Whitehall, so more likely they were there for that rather than getting ready for the weekend.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    To be honest, from the rhetoric, it would be no surprise if the counter demo to "protect the Cenotaph" showed up on Sunday and needed the Met to control them.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    kingstongraham said:

    To be honest, from the rhetoric, it would be no surprise if the counter demo to "protect the Cenotaph" showed up on Sunday and needed the Met to control them.

    Anybody not paying proper attention/ignorant would think that there would be a load of jihadi marching through the cenotaph as the King was laying the wreath the way that this has been stoked up. Its disgusting.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    pblakeney said:

    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.

    I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.
    Fwiw, I think she's fairly well rated in the conservative home polls.
    ...
    Well, the right wing people that I know want her and Rishi to go back to where they came from. Pointing out that they are British didn't seem to alter their thoughts.
    I don't know anyone who'd go that far, but I think I know people could be grudgingly argued into taking some of Suella's positions. I think she mostly toes the line of saying stuff that would get you earmarked as a bit of a heartless fascist at work, but not totally ostracized as a nationalist nutter...
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited November 2023
    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    _
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    The Football Hooligans Alliance or some other ol’ shite are taking the time off from abusing James McLean to ‘protect’ the cenotaph 😂

    This would have all passed off without incident but now Braverman and the Tories have whipped up this nonsense, confrontation will be inevitable.

    The Mail and the Sun are rubbing their hands.

    Pathetic
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    Have they done that or is it just happening on the same day?
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    Have they done that or is it just happening on the same day?
    I can think of someone using it to promote their own cause.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    edited November 2023
    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    Of course we can see. That's not a good enough reason to ban something.

    As someone whose grandfather served in the British Mandate in the 40s, it seems not entirely inappropriate. I think some might be just as offended by the HS using the ceremony to get some likes on GBNews.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Babara Streisand effect being put to good use by the Tories
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,327
    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.

    I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.
    Fwiw, I think she's fairly well rated in the conservative home polls.
    ...
    Well, the right wing people that I know want her and Rishi to go back to where they came from. Pointing out that they are British didn't seem to alter their thoughts.
    I don't know anyone who'd go that far, but I think I know people could be grudgingly argued into taking some of Suella's positions. I think she mostly toes the line of saying stuff that would get you earmarked as a bit of a heartless fascist at work, but not totally ostracized as a nationalist nutter...
    You don't know enough Daily Express readers then.
    Actually, knowing one is one too many but you take my point. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    If Sunak doesn't sack Braverman, will know for sure he's powerless and a coward.

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    Early signs of wokeism, each country has it's own and ours are those from UK and Commonwealth who died in service.

    Would be more than a little weird to throw it so wide that it included Hitler and his murdering cronies
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    I find it more than a little self indulgent how much we still blather on about "the war". Suspect this is not a hugely popular opinion though :p

    It would be alright if we did so as a means to avoid the mistakes of the past, but I mean... *gestures at news*
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    secretsqirrel said:

    We thought Priti Patel was bad……

    And we were right, it's just Braverman is several degrees of bad higher than she was.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729525/Protect-Poppy-sellers-Calls-rally-round-Britains-army-volunteers-terrified-raise-cash-nations-war-heroes-forced-leave-rail-stations-targeted-shops-amid-tensions-pro-Palestine-protesters.html

    I mean what even the sh1t is this? It’s just utter nonsense.

    I respect what the poppy symbolises but it has definitely become politicised over the last 5 years and find it a joke people in the public limelight are lambasted by the right wing media and it’s supporters for having the temerity to not wear a poppy.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    skyblueamateur said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729525/Protect-Poppy-sellers-Calls-rally-round-Britains-army-volunteers-terrified-raise-cash-nations-war-heroes-forced-leave-rail-stations-targeted-shops-amid-tensions-pro-Palestine-protesters.html

    I mean what even the censored is this? It’s just utter nonsense.

    I respect what the poppy symbolises but it has definitely become politicised over the last 5 years and find it a joke people in the public limelight are lambasted by the right wing media and it’s supporters for having the temerity to not wear a poppy.

    Bollox is what it is. I use Liverpool Street station where a pro-Palestinian protest was held the other day. Last night about 15-20 volunteers were noisily selling poppies without any issue.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    pangolin said:

    I find it more than a little self indulgent how much we still blather on about "the war". Suspect this is not a hugely popular opinion though :p

    It would be alright if we did so as a means to avoid the mistakes of the past, but I mean... *gestures at news*

    We won :)

    others like Crimea, Boer, American War of Independence get mentioned less

    or it may be because it is more recent and bigger

    but then we don't mention the war in the Pacific much, so maybe it is all about the winning
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    Early signs of wokeism, each country has it's own and ours are those from UK and Commonwealth who died in service.

    Would be more than a little weird to throw it so wide that it included Hitler and his murdering cronies
    Is an easier sell if your school class is very cosmopolitan
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    Early signs of wokeism, each country has it's own and ours are those from UK and Commonwealth who died in service.

    Would be more than a little weird to throw it so wide that it included Hitler and his murdering cronies
    Is an easier sell if your school class is very cosmopolitan
    I think that we need a whole new thread on whether schools should teach facts or bend the truth so nobody gets offended.

    Imagine the madness of ending up teaching kids that we fought a war against a political ideology rather than a country.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited November 2023
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    Early signs of wokeism, each country has it's own and ours are those from UK and Commonwealth who died in service.

    Would be more than a little weird to throw it so wide that it included Hitler and his murdering cronies
    Is an easier sell if your school class is very cosmopolitan
    I think that we need a whole new thread on whether schools should teach facts or bend the truth so nobody gets offended.

    Imagine the madness of ending up teaching kids that we fought a war against a political ideology rather than a country.
    It's more you're sending all the kids to go out and do some "remembering", make wreathes, stand by whatever.

    And you get some old duffer in who is talking about "us" all the time, when, certainly in my class, we had Poles, Bengalis, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Romanians etc.

    What ya gonna do, incite some migrant beef?
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    Early signs of wokeism, each country has it's own and ours are those from UK and Commonwealth who died in service.

    Would be more than a little weird to throw it so wide that it included Hitler and his murdering cronies
    Is an easier sell if your school class is very cosmopolitan
    I think that we need a whole new thread on whether schools should teach facts or bend the truth so nobody gets offended.

    Imagine the madness of ending up teaching kids that we fought a war against a political ideology rather than a country.
    It's more you're sending all the kids to go out and do some "remembering", make wreathes, stand by whatever.

    And you get some old duffer in who is talking about "us" all the time, when, certainly in my class, we had Poles, Bengalis, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Romanians etc.

    What ya gonna do, incite some migrant beef?
    why not leave it at remembering the British dead from all wars?

    If you lived in USA what would you do on July 4th to make it more inclusive?

    Though I am intrigued at how inclusive you got with German war dead. Was their an attempt made to differentiate between good and bad Germans?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited November 2023
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    pangolin said:

    rick_chasey said:

    OK.

    Who knew an anti-war much on Armistice Day would be so badly received.

    That better?

    Bizarre isn't it.
    I feel that neither of you appreciate that the purpose of Armistice/Remembrance/Veterans Day is to honour/remember those servicemen/women who gave their lives for their country in a war.

    Can you really not see why many people would be upset and angry about any chance that another organisation would use it to promote their own cause?
    We were told in school it was everyone who died in all wars.... over and over and over.

    I suspect this is a generational change in understanding.
    Early signs of wokeism, each country has it's own and ours are those from UK and Commonwealth who died in service.

    Would be more than a little weird to throw it so wide that it included Hitler and his murdering cronies
    Is an easier sell if your school class is very cosmopolitan
    I think that we need a whole new thread on whether schools should teach facts or bend the truth so nobody gets offended.

    Imagine the madness of ending up teaching kids that we fought a war against a political ideology rather than a country.
    It's more you're sending all the kids to go out and do some "remembering", make wreathes, stand by whatever.

    And you get some old duffer in who is talking about "us" all the time, when, certainly in my class, we had Poles, Bengalis, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Romanians etc.

    What ya gonna do, incite some migrant beef?
    why not leave it at remembering the British dead from all wars?

    If you lived in USA what would you do on July 4th to make it more inclusive?

    Though I am intrigued at how inclusive you got with German war dead. Was their an attempt made to differentiate between good and bad Germans?
    Not really. It’s school, not uni.

    All wars are bad mmmkay etc

    Teachers have more pressing needs than the ins and outs of an increasingly irrelevant collective memory event.
    _

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