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I think the general impression is that everyone thought it was a chaotic mess, but the inquiry is showing it to be much worse than that.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
I think the general impression is that everyone thought it was a chaotic mess, but the inquiry is showing it to be much worse than that.
It's been interesting how critical Case in particular has been revealed to have been, given his later apparent shielding (to an extent) of Johnson over the lockdown parties. I'd had him being on Johnson's side, whereas it appears he managed to hide his loathing of the rabble he served.0 -
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She is certainly making the job of the police very difficult. Glad the Met are standing up to her.rick_chasey said:Is Braveman trying to kick off sectarian problems all over the UK or something wtf
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Somebody has to. Rishi seems incapable.secretsqirrel said:
She is certainly making the job of the police very difficult. Glad the Met are standing up to her.rick_chasey said:Is Braveman trying to kick off sectarian problems all over the UK or something wtf
Is her primary role to deflect and make the rest look good?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I read on Twitter yesterday a comment to the effect of "The only thing protecting us from Braverman's 'police state' is the police" which sums up the current madness quite well. For Suella to be making the Met look like the good guys is quite some achievement.secretsqirrel said:
She is certainly making the job of the police very difficult. Glad the Met are standing up to her.rick_chasey said:Is Braveman trying to kick off sectarian problems all over the UK or something wtf
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She seems to be getting worse by the day, thankfully the government doesn't have direct powers to ban protests or only Farage would be allowed to March.0
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There's a lot of comment in various media channels that Sunak is simply too weak to sack Braverman but she does (unintentionally maybe) work well as a "human shield" for Sunak, or a "lightning conductor" away from him, leaving him to get on in peace with whatever he does as PM.pblakeney said:
Somebody has to. Rishi seems incapable.secretsqirrel said:
She is certainly making the job of the police very difficult. Glad the Met are standing up to her.rick_chasey said:Is Braveman trying to kick off sectarian problems all over the UK or something wtf
Is her primary role to deflect and make the rest look good?
As an aside, has the "small boats" problem been solved? I assume so as it's not featured in the media much, if at all, recently... [End Irony Alert]0 -
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Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.0
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I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.Pross said:Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Yes Mo Salah is unlikely to be a fan.pblakeney said:
I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.Pross said:Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.
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pblakeney said:
I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.Pross said:Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.
The problem for the right wing is that the current lot have screwed up pretty much everything, including Brexit, and Truss blew up the tax cuts for the rich through unfunded borrowing project. Other than racism, I'm not sure what avenues the far right have to identify themselves by. They can't use their record in government as a selling point.0 -
She's trying to get sacked so she can paint herself as martyr to a few hundred GBN viewers and (she thinks) be well placed to lead the charred husk of the party next year.rick_chasey said:Is Braveman trying to kick off sectarian problems all over the UK or something wtf
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We thought Priti Patel was bad……0
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I'm not sure what's the point of this, given she'll just send an underling to obfuscate. There seems to be no way to hold these charlatans to account.
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In case people believe that it’s Sunak being weak and not just actually agreeing with it:
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It's no wonder that The Telegraph is such a mess - even more than usual - these days. Seems like the editor has gone awol.
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It's fine if you only read the first few paragraphs which seem entirely reasonable and explain why the rest of it is batshit.In this country we pride ourselves on our long-established traditions of freedom of expression. These liberties consist not only of freedom of speech but also freedom of assembly.
The right to protest in public is a cornerstone of democracy. That is why peaceful marches are never banned and even controversial and disruptive ones are policed rather than blocked.
Only in the most exceptional circumstances do the authorities step in. The way the law works is clear: if a chief constable believes that there is a serious risk of disorder which the police will struggle to contain, he or she can ask the home secretary to ban a march. Even then, a static protest can take place.
There is a debate to be had about whether other considerations should play a part in such decisions. Are some public displays so offensive that they deserve to be banned? Is there a level of disruption to the life of a city that is too great to justify a demonstration? Nevertheless, the law as it stands makes it clear that marches should almost always be permitted.0 -
Fwiw, I think she's fairly well rated in the conservative home polls.pblakeney said:
I think she has also seriously over-estimated how much right wingers like her.Pross said:Even a lot of Tory MPs are apparently fed up with her rhetoric and say it is reflecting on the PM as well as her. I suspect she wants to get sacked to play the martyr and become the Trump figure to the right wing of the Party in the next leadership election. I also think she has seriously over-estimated how much UK voters like hard right policies.
Much like the previous home secretary, she's made a rod for her own back by focusing so heavily on the small boat issue - which is something that it's incredibly difficult to do anything about. For the moment she seems to be avoiding backlash for not fixing the issue.0 -
Whodathunk Cruella is an anti-muslim gobshite?0
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No.10 didn’t clear the article after all.0
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Felt like quite a few MPs and even cabinet ministers have been trying to distance themselves from Cruella's words over the last few days.
She's extremely loathsome to the point of being evil.0 -
I was around that way on Tuesday and the Met were on the ground (and air) already and were forming up the cavalry.
Suella has made a rod for the Met's back and if anybody tries to get near the Cenotaph they will be beaten off.
Any suggestion of disrupting Remembrance Day definitely fails Rick's citizenship test0 -
As someone pointed out, the official Armistice Day ceremony at the Cenotaph is at 11. The PSC march is nearly two hours later. The Western Front Association that organises the annual event at the Cenotaph has also publicly supported the right to hold another march later the same day.surrey_commuter said:I was around that way on Tuesday and the Met were on the ground (and air) already and were forming up the cavalry.
Suella has made a rod for the Met's back and if anybody tries to get near the Cenotaph they will be beaten off.
Any suggestion of disrupting Remembrance Day definitely fails Rick's citizenship test1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The fact that Whitehall was shut on Tuesday and the Cenotaph was being guarded suggests that it is seen as a potential high profile target.rjsterry said:
As someone pointed out, the official Armistice Day ceremony at the Cenotaph is at 11. The PSC march is nearly two hours later. The Western Front Association that organises the annual event at the Cenotaph has also publicly supported the right to hold another march later the same day.surrey_commuter said:I was around that way on Tuesday and the Met were on the ground (and air) already and were forming up the cavalry.
Suella has made a rod for the Met's back and if anybody tries to get near the Cenotaph they will be beaten off.
Any suggestion of disrupting Remembrance Day definitely fails Rick's citizenship test
If tens of thousands are descending on London then it would only take a tiny % to get close enough to disrupt things.
I support their right to protest but I also support the Met's right to smash the sh1t out of them if they try and disrupt Remembrance Day1 -
Isn’t the actual Rememberence ceremony on Sunday as usual with the ‘hate march’ for a cease fire on Saturday (Armistice day)? I’m finding the reporting very confusing.
The agreed route also doesn’t go near the cenotaph. Closest is a mile away I think.
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Remembrance Day doesn't have special legal protection however much some might want it to. Disrupting the ceremonies would be disrespectful and all the rest of it, but being disrespectful is not illegal for very good reason.surrey_commuter said:
The fact that Whitehall was shut on Tuesday and the Cenotaph was being guarded suggests that it is seen as a potential high profile target.rjsterry said:
As someone pointed out, the official Armistice Day ceremony at the Cenotaph is at 11. The PSC march is nearly two hours later. The Western Front Association that organises the annual event at the Cenotaph has also publicly supported the right to hold another march later the same day.surrey_commuter said:I was around that way on Tuesday and the Met were on the ground (and air) already and were forming up the cavalry.
Suella has made a rod for the Met's back and if anybody tries to get near the Cenotaph they will be beaten off.
Any suggestion of disrupting Remembrance Day definitely fails Rick's citizenship test
If tens of thousands are descending on London then it would only take a tiny % to get close enough to disrupt things.
I support their right to protest but I also support the Met's right to smash the censored out of them if they try and disrupt Remembrance Day1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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