TDF 2018, Stage 10: Annecy > Le Grand-Bornand 17/07/2018 - 158,5 km *Spoilers*

darkhairedlord

larkim wrote:

So some teams shifting from discs back to rims for climbing? If there really is a weight penalty to discs (I thought the bikes struggled to get up to the minimum weight) is there an issue with the location of the weight? Lower centre of mass etc?

I suppose they are more interested in how to go fast than how to slow down, so perhaps the consideration of discs *perhaps* being a better option in the wet for stopping purposes is low down the radar for the pro teams.

If you clip anything with rim braked wheels you'll probably glide past. If you're in the mountains with nutters running up alongside there is a chance of snagging on the disk and getting caught up. You would think froome would ride with "spartacus/gladiator wheels.

inseine

Gilbert, Alaphilippe, Impey, Sagan, GVA.... That would be a cracking break in a one day race.

larkim

I don't quite see how disc brakes could interfere with another bike, it's not as if they protrude any more than pedals, rear mech, bars etc.

But anyway, I suppose if there is a braking advantage to discs for non-racers that doesn't need to be reflected in what racers use - they are interested in going fast and not stopping (as much), we are more interested in going quite fast but being able to stop quickly and safely if we need to.

Anyway, has anyone counted up the number of discs in the peloton today vs the flat days?

above_the_cows

Normal mountain service is resumed.

above_the_cows

Stuffed cockerel!

rick_chasey

GvA in the break?

Lad.

I don’t think him and Gilbert have been more than 15m of each other the entire Tour. No love lost there.

No_Ta_Doctor

Cav suffering amongst the cars apparently

dinyull

Rick Chasey wrote:

GvA in the break?

Lad.

I don’t think him and Gilbert have been more than 15m of each other the entire Tour. No love lost there.

Last stage.

Pross

Dumoulin has learned his lesson and not drafting the team car, he's opted to hold onto it instead

Those mechanics are nuts sticking fingers close to moving wheels - I've still got a black and shattered nail from getting finger trapped between the chain and chainring of my track bike whilst oiling the chain a few weeks back so it makes me wince seeing them do that.

Groenewegen going out the back already, long day ahead for him.

Pross

Calmejane bored riding at the pace of a bunch of Classics specialists so rides off with DiDa rider. Sagan slipping out the back of the break.

No_Ta_Doctor

Izaguirre also slipping off the back of the break, surprisingly.

davidof

Pross wrote:

Dumoulin has learned his lesson and not drafting the team car, he's opted to hold onto it instead

Those mechanics are nuts sticking fingers close to moving wheels - I've still got a black and shattered nail from getting finger trapped between the chain and chainring of my track bike whilst oiling the chain a few weeks back

a fixie forgives nothing though!

Pross

davidof wrote:

Pross wrote:

Dumoulin has learned his lesson and not drafting the team car, he's opted to hold onto it instead

Those mechanics are nuts sticking fingers close to moving wheels - I've still got a black and shattered nail from getting finger trapped between the chain and chainring of my track bike whilst oiling the chain a few weeks back

a fixie forgives nothing though!

Tell me about it, thought I'd lost my fingertip. I didn't realise how flat a finger can compress.

Pross

Molard and Taaramae now off the front looking for polka points.

No_Ta_Doctor

Molard takes the ten points

Pross

Molard takes the Croix Fry ahead of Taaramae with the remainder of the break including GVA about 20 seconds back. Sagan and the rest of the original break around another 30 seconds back.

Pross

Peloton about 4.30 back.

Pross

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

No_Ta_Doctor

Pross wrote:

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

That was an attack rather than a break, surely?

Pross

No tA Doctor wrote:

Pross wrote:

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

That was an attack rather than a break, surely?

Doesn't an attack create a break? He finished in a group of 3 off the front of the main bunch, surely that's a break?

above_the_cows

Bernie on Eurosport with Hatch!

takethehighroad

Pross wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Pross wrote:

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

That was an attack rather than a break, surely?

Doesn't an attack create a break? He finished in a group of 3 off the front of the main bunch, surely that's a break?

Nah I'd say that's an attack, and that's different. Like Froome attacking a MTF in Yellow isn't a break

Pross

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

Pross wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Pross wrote:

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

That was an attack rather than a break, surely?

Doesn't an attack create a break? He finished in a group of 3 off the front of the main bunch, surely that's a break?

Nah I'd say that's an attack, and that's different. Like Froome attacking a MTF in Yellow isn't a break

Interesting semantics. So a break is just a bit of fun to liven the stage up before the real racing starts?

davidof

They've layed down a new surface on the Glieres, that must have cost a bit.

andytee87

Didn't catch what was said, but French fans shouting something caused Rowe to stick his tongue out & Moscon to give them verbal

blazing_saddles

Butcher boy blown out.

Lanterne_Rogue

Pross wrote:

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

Pross wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Pross wrote:

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

That was an attack rather than a break, surely?

Doesn't an attack create a break? He finished in a group of 3 off the front of the main bunch, surely that's a break?

Nah I'd say that's an attack, and that's different. Like Froome attacking a MTF in Yellow isn't a break

Interesting semantics. So a break is just a bit of fun to liven the stage up before the real racing starts?

The break is racing, thought rarely successful.

I think the real difference is that a break will have most of the peloton chasing it for a long distance and have little chance of success, whereas an attack will often come from a smaller group over a shorter distance, and will have a correspondingly higher chance of success. You also can't get a 12 man attack. The nuances convey important context about what's happening and what was intended.

larkim

Are Sky allowing GVA to stay in yellow for another day do you think?

pottssteve

Gesink putting down the pain! Great to see him doing well. Hope he can carry it to the end.

No_Ta_Doctor

Pross wrote:

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

Pross wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Pross wrote:

Ned commenting that we have the somewhat unusual site of the yellow jersey in a break - yep, last time that happened was way back on Sunday!

That was an attack rather than a break, surely?

Doesn't an attack create a break? He finished in a group of 3 off the front of the main bunch, surely that's a break?

Nah I'd say that's an attack, and that's different. Like Froome attacking a MTF in Yellow isn't a break

Interesting semantics. So a break is just a bit of fun to liven the stage up before the real racing starts?

That's how I've always used it. The Break. Other groups forming off the front of the peloton are formed by attacks or forcing selections.