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  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,568
    Portugal looked poor parking the bus against a plucky Morocco but won . . . that man strikes again!!
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    The Saudis - a bad team with some not bad footballers.
  • crispybug2
    crispybug2 Posts: 2,915
    Iran equalise against Spain!

    There could be a massive shock here, Spain looking very average !
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Offside and disallowed
  • crispybug2
    crispybug2 Posts: 2,915
    That decision took forever!
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    I dont watch much football and have nevet been to a match.
    Am I right I thinking that the crowd is almost entirely made up of beautiful, scantily clad young girls?
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    mrfpb wrote:
    I dont watch much football and have nevet been to a match.
    Am I right I thinking that the crowd is almost entirely made up of beautiful, scantily clad young girls?

    Yes, altho' my attention is entirely occupied by the football so I can't be sure.

    And if any one knows where Lord Sugar's marbles are can they please let him know. He needs to find them urgently.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Robert88 wrote:
    And if any one knows where Lord Sugar's marbles are can they please let him know. He needs to find them urgently.

    Has he come out with the phrase 'I would never say anything racist, some of my best friends are black' yet?
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,568
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Offside and disallowed

    VAR ruined my evening!
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • joe2008
    joe2008 Posts: 1,531
    laurentian wrote:
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Offside and disallowed

    VAR ruined my evening!

    To be fair the linesman had his flag up.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    1-0
    1-0
    1-0

    not exactly impressive by any of them tbh

    Russia are still on for it...........
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,797
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    1-0
    1-0
    1-0

    not exactly impressive by any of them tbh

    Russia are still on for it...........
    MF, a fiver says Russia won't win it. Wager? Even in Welsh or Italian money, that's not a lot :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    1-0
    1-0
    1-0

    not exactly impressive by any of them tbh

    Russia are still on for it...........
    MF, a fiver says Russia won't win it. Wager? Even in Welsh or Italian money, that's not a lot :wink:

    nah. this desperate begging for attention will not draw me in.

    just watch and enjoy the spectacle.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,797
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    1-0
    1-0
    1-0

    not exactly impressive by any of them tbh

    Russia are still on for it...........
    MF, a fiver says Russia won't win it. Wager? Even in Welsh or Italian money, that's not a lot :wink:

    nah. this desperate begging for attention will not draw me in.

    just watch and enjoy the spectacle.
    I'll enjoy winning my moral fiver. Wimp :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,587
    mrfpb wrote:
    I dont watch much football and have nevet been to a match.
    Am I right I thinking that the crowd is almost entirely made up of beautiful, scantily clad young girls?

    Yes, apart from the English supporters who are bald and tattooed with large beer bellies.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    1-0
    1-0
    1-0

    not exactly impressive by any of them tbh

    Russia are still on for it...........
    MF, a fiver says Russia won't win it. Wager? Even in Welsh or Italian money, that's not a lot :wink:

    nah. this desperate begging for attention will not draw me in.

    just watch and enjoy the spectacle.
    I'll enjoy winning my moral fiver. Wimp :)

    goading will not draw me into your force of mammon. I am above that.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Denmark vs Australia - neither of these two will both my pick me thinks.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226
    Handball still has to be deliberate, right?
  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,568
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Handball still has to be deliberate, right?

    The FIFA rule book (Laws of the Game 2014/2015) defines it as:

    “Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

    • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

    • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

    • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

    • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement

    • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement”
    Wilier Izoard XP
  • Tashman
    Tashman Posts: 3,497
    laurentian wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Handball still has to be deliberate, right?

    The FIFA rule book (Laws of the Game 2014/2015) defines it as:

    “Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

    • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

    • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

    • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

    • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement

    • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement”
    The interpretation these days seems to be that arms up being a deliberate act to create a blockage
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226
    Tashman wrote:
    laurentian wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Handball still has to be deliberate, right?

    The FIFA rule book (Laws of the Game 2014/2015) defines it as:

    “Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

    • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

    • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

    • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

    • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement

    • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement”
    The interpretation these days seems to be that arms up being a deliberate act to create a blockage

    Haha. I can't believe that he reviewed that decision and said that it was deliberate. If it was a deliberate blockage, he was blocking it by making it go slightly more towards his own goal because he knew there was going to be a really off target header by the Aussie. Should have been a corner.
  • Tashman
    Tashman Posts: 3,497
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tashman wrote:
    laurentian wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Handball still has to be deliberate, right?

    The FIFA rule book (Laws of the Game 2014/2015) defines it as:

    “Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

    • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

    • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

    • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

    • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement

    • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement”
    The interpretation these days seems to be that arms up being a deliberate act to create a blockage

    Haha. I can't believe that he reviewed that decision and said that it was deliberate. If it was a deliberate blockage, he was blocking it by making it go slightly more towards his own goal because he knew there was going to be a really off target header by the Aussie. Should have been a corner.
    No idea, I'm at work so haven't seen the incident.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226
    Tashman wrote:
    No idea, I'm at work so haven't seen the incident.

    https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/1 ... 1590559744
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tashman wrote:
    No idea, I'm at work so haven't seen the incident.

    https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/1 ... 1590559744

    That was given as a handball?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226
    TheBigBean wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tashman wrote:
    No idea, I'm at work so haven't seen the incident.

    https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/1 ... 1590559744

    That was given as a handball?

    Penalty and yellow card. After TV review by the ref.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tashman wrote:
    No idea, I'm at work so haven't seen the incident.

    https://twitter.com/beINSPORTS/status/1 ... 1590559744

    That was given as a handball?

    Penalty and yellow card. After TV review by the ref.

    Football and cycling do seem to have random rule enforcement in common.

    The problem with VAR is that it needed more experimentation. They should have taken hundreds of incidents, a load of referees and experimented to see if they came up with the same outcome. If they didn't it shouldn't be part of VAR.

    Another example is that the offside rule is based on any part of the body that can play the ball, so includes feet. Linesmen only consider bodies, but VAR is going to have to include feet which is going to lead to some bad correct decisions. They should have considered all this and changed the rules accordingly before introducing it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Another example is that the offside rule is based on any part of the body that can play the ball, so includes feet. Linesmen only consider bodies, but VAR is going to have to include feet which is going to lead to some bad correct decisions. They should have considered all this and changed the rules accordingly before introducing it.

    I don't think it's in football's interest to have results that fans don't moan about afterwards.

    That's my theory.

    It's the fibre in the football diet.
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226
    Nah, VAR should just give the opportunity for a referee to get more information. If he is still going to make a weird decision, that's just life. More decisions will be right with VAR than without.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    Cricket went through all the same nonsense (no hawkeye, "it's just to correct howlers" etc.), before finally adopting a sensible system. Football will no doubt do the same.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Commentator: "Just worked out that 17% of all goals in this competition come in the last 15 minutes.." OK.

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