2019 Transfers - Rumours and Confirmations

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  • rozzer32
    rozzer32 Posts: 3,923
    amrushton wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Carapaz to Ineos reported as pretty much a done deal on cycling podcast...

    Someone moved quick on that. landa is off to Bahrain but will he find success there? He certainly appears the strongest in every GT he does when the road goes up

    Rumours are Quintana is on his way out as well. Begs the question who Movistar will have as a GC rider if he does.
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    rozzer32 wrote:
    amrushton wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Carapaz to Ineos reported as pretty much a done deal on cycling podcast...

    Someone moved quick on that. landa is off to Bahrain but will he find success there? He certainly appears the strongest in every GT he does when the road goes up

    Rumours are Quintana is on his way out as well. Begs the question who Movistar will have as a GC rider if he does.

    Valverede has a few years yet :lol:
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    rozzer32 wrote:
    amrushton wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Carapaz to Ineos reported as pretty much a done deal on cycling podcast...

    Someone moved quick on that. landa is off to Bahrain but will he find success there? He certainly appears the strongest in every GT he does when the road goes up

    Rumours are Quintana is on his way out as well. Begs the question who Movistar will have as a GC rider if he does.
    Quintana to the ineos too! FFS really? Ludurious team roster.
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  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    Quintana! Maybe as a super domestique but not as a leader. He hasnt lived up to the hype but he is/was certainly good

    https://www.velonews.com/2019/05/news/m ... iro_494324
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    amrushton wrote:
    Quintana! Maybe as a super domestique but not as a leader. He hasnt lived up to the hype but he is/was certainly good

    https://www.velonews.com/2019/05/news/m ... iro_494324
    Arkea-Samsic really? That's most of their budget surely.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    rozzer32 wrote:
    amrushton wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Carapaz to Ineos reported as pretty much a done deal on cycling podcast...

    Someone moved quick on that. landa is off to Bahrain but will he find success there? He certainly appears the strongest in every GT he does when the road goes up

    Rumours are Quintana is on his way out as well. Begs the question who Movistar will have as a GC rider if he does.
    Who do they have as a GC rider if he stays...
  • cq20
    cq20 Posts: 207
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    rozzer32 wrote:
    amrushton wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Carapaz to Ineos reported as pretty much a done deal on cycling podcast...

    Someone moved quick on that. landa is off to Bahrain but will he find success there? He certainly appears the strongest in every GT he does when the road goes up

    Rumours are Quintana is on his way out as well. Begs the question who Movistar will have as a GC rider if he does.
    Who do they have as a GC rider if he stays...
    The ever green - or ever something - Valverde!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    My guess is that any arrangement Carapaz had made before this Giro has been ripped up now.
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  • ridgerider
    ridgerider Posts: 2,852
    Landa leaving doesn't make sense to me, when others around him going will leave him at the top of the Movistar GC pecking order...
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    RichN95 wrote:
    My guess is that any arrangement Carapaz had made before this Giro has been ripped up now.
    My speculation is that Ratcliffe has seen Carapaz and said "want". Apparently they're having to buy Movistar out of the rest of his contract.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    My guess is that any arrangement Carapaz had made before this Giro has been ripped up now.
    My speculation is that Ratcliffe has seen Carapaz and said "want". Apparently they're having to buy Movistar out of the rest of his contract.
    The talk in Italy* is that this arrangement was made last year, pre-Ineos

    *On podcasts
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  • indyp
    indyp Posts: 735
    A podcast or maybe commentator while ago said talk of Mas moving from DQS to Movistar so maybe they see him and Soler for GT future
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,473
    RichN95 wrote:
    My guess is that any arrangement Carapaz had made before this Giro has been ripped up now.
    His agent would be derelict if he didn't ensure that.
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  • w00dster
    w00dster Posts: 880
    Being honest I've been working away for the majority of this Giro and haven't had access to a TV or a decent internet connection. Actually for most of this year.
    Has Carapaz been that good or is this more a case of the someone doing well against limited competition? (Not in anyway trying to put a shadow on his performance, its an honest question and only based on what I've read in this forum and cyling news)
    Anyone else think Alaphillipe should be groomed to be a GC contender? I always Movistar would be a good move for him, not that there's any rumours in that - just me thinking out loud.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    w00dster wrote:
    Being honest I've been working away for the majority of this Giro and haven't had access to a TV or a decent internet connection. Actually for most of this year.
    Has Carapaz been that good or is this more a case of the someone doing well against limited competition? (Not in anyway trying to put a shadow on his performance, its an honest question and only based on what I've read in this forum and cyling news)
    Anyone else think Alaphillipe should be groomed to be a GC contender? I always Movistar would be a good move for him, not that there's any rumours in that - just me thinking out loud.
    He took some time with a couple of opportunist moves before they hit the mountains while no-one was watching him. Time-trialled ok and then always been in the front GC group as Roglic fell away and Nibali's attacks came to little. His team have been strong enough to subdue threats.
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  • indyp
    indyp Posts: 735
    Carapaz finished 4th in last year's Giro
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    w00dster wrote:
    Being honest I've been working away for the majority of this Giro and haven't had access to a TV or a decent internet connection. Actually for most of this year.
    Has Carapaz been that good or is this more a case of the someone doing well against limited competition? (Not in anyway trying to put a shadow on his performance, its an honest question and only based on what I've read in this forum and cyling news)
    Anyone else think Alaphillipe should be groomed to be a GC contender? I always Movistar would be a good move for him, not that there's any rumours in that - just me thinking out loud.
    Alaphillippe isn't a GC rider - not consistent enough. It's possible he could end up that way with a load of aero training, but he's more of a lightweight Sagan than anything - his TTing is never going to be good enough to compete with the modern GC rider
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    I kinda get the feeling with Carapaz that he's done well because the others didn't regard him as a real contender, hence he was allowed to get a bit of time here and there. If he wins the Giro, as seems likely, then that won't be possible in future races and he'll be marked a lot more.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,473
    Agree. He gained considerably at the beginning when he wasn't seen as a threat. It may be more of a Ryder Hesjedal Giro win than a portent of coming greatness.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Maybe with Ineos' resources behind him though, if they were all in for Carapaz that would make up for a lot of marking.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Maybe with Ineos' resources behind him though, if they were all in for Carapaz that would make up for a lot of marking.

    He certainly seemed more than capable of going with any moves in the latter part of the race.
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    Is it a done deal with Ineos? Listening to Bruyneel apparently Movistar are a major player in S.American communications so it could be they'll find the extra to keep him on the squad. Quintana supposedly for Arkea. Remember when he was going to dominate every GT at will?
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    If all these rumors come true it looks like Movistar will be all in for Valverde next year!
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    amrushton wrote:
    Is it a done deal with Ineos? Listening to Bruyneel apparently Movistar are a major player in S.American communications so it could be they'll find the extra to keep him on the squad. Quintana supposedly for Arkea. Remember when he was going to dominate every GT at will?

    Was reported pretty much done if not actually done.

    Things can change though I guess.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Where would Carapaz fit at Ineos? Froome and Thomas probably have a few years left yet, and Bernal is their obvious go to man next. Sivakov showed he's got a future, and you've got Dunbar, Hart and Sosa to add to Poels, Kwia etc. It's as stacked for GTs as Quickstep's roster is for classics.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Jumbo Visma want to sign Kittel apparently... lead out man for Dylan?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    phreak wrote:
    Where would Carapaz fit at Ineos? Froome and Thomas probably have a few years left yet, and Bernal is their obvious go to man next. Sivakov showed he's got a future, and you've got Dunbar, Hart and Sosa to add to Poels, Kwia etc. It's as stacked for GTs as Quickstep's roster is for classics.
    I would see Carapaz as someone with leadership, perhaps jointly, at the Giro and maybe also at the Vuelta. He's probably not best suited to the Tour, which favours power climbers. Possibly Sosa's future too.

    Froome will continue to favour the Tour (and maybe Vuelta) and him and Thomas will gradually be phased out in favour of Sivakov and Bernal.

    People say Carapaz would be down the pecking order at Ineos, but until recently he was fourth choice at Movistar (maybe even fifth behind Soler)
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I suppose it depends how much Thomas and Froome have left in them and if the young guys are ready to step up, possibly even next year. Carapaz is obviously ready to go now whereas we don't know before the other youngsters can fill the gap.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,473
    dish_dash wrote:
    Jumbo Visma want to sign Kittel apparently... lead out man for Dylan?
    Would Kittel go for that? Think he has quite the ego.
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  • ademort
    ademort Posts: 1,924
    According to the Italian newspaper La Gazetta Dello Sport in last wednesdays paper they said that Carapaz and Brailsford are to meet this week to put pen to paper on a contract to sign for Team Ineos that will increase Carapaz salary by no less than 14 times.His current salary is said to be €150000 per year. :D
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