Froome Vuelta salbutamol problem

Matthewfalle

darkhairedlord wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

ademort wrote:

Will we see protest banners or people hanging over railings and shouting abuse.

Probably. But away from the media area I think it will no different than usual.

people throwing wee-wee at him because they sre tired of another doper, the same as they did last year.

FTFY

Matthewfalle

redvision wrote:

awavey wrote:

yep absolutely, as do I, but it will as weve discussed somewhere in these 93+ pages of pure speculation Im sure, not amount to the stated adverse finding levels. Its question 1 of your yearly asthma NHS check, how often do you use your inhaler, if you answer I take it multiple times and have frequent asthma attacks, they dont say well carry on using your salbutamol inhaler because thats clearly working well for you.

Indeed. But likewise if you have an attack which makes you take your salbutamol inhaler numerous times in quick succession, they will say seek urgent medical assistance. Following which you will be told not to exercise for the following days, until completely clear of symptoms.

As i keep saying, if he required his inhaler so much it is medical neglect by the team and team doctor to allow him to continue racing.

out of interest, the official line is that it was all inhaler based, so if he did smack back the blue one it will be on camera.

or did they miss this?

RichN95.

I'd laugh my arse off if he did a switcheroo tomorrow and turned up at the Tour of the Algarve instead

tailwindhome

RichN95 wrote:

I'd laugh my ars* off if he did a switcheroo tomorrow and turned up at the Tour of the Algarve instead

Ya don't wanna be over complicating the ol' whereabouts like that.....

surrey_commuter

Matthewfalle wrote:

redvision wrote:

awavey wrote:

yep absolutely, as do I, but it will as weve discussed somewhere in these 93+ pages of pure speculation Im sure, not amount to the stated adverse finding levels. Its question 1 of your yearly asthma NHS check, how often do you use your inhaler, if you answer I take it multiple times and have frequent asthma attacks, they dont say well carry on using your salbutamol inhaler because thats clearly working well for you.

Indeed. But likewise if you have an attack which makes you take your salbutamol inhaler numerous times in quick succession, they will say seek urgent medical assistance. Following which you will be told not to exercise for the following days, until completely clear of symptoms.

As i keep saying, if he required his inhaler so much it is medical neglect by the team and team doctor to allow him to continue racing.

out of interest, the official line is that it was all inhaler based, so if he did smack back the blue one it will be on camera.

or did they miss this?

Considering so many of the peloton are asthmatics have any of us ever seen any of them puffing away?

tailwindhome

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

redvision wrote:

awavey wrote:

yep absolutely, as do I, but it will as weve discussed somewhere in these 93+ pages of pure speculation Im sure, not amount to the stated adverse finding levels. Its question 1 of your yearly asthma NHS check, how often do you use your inhaler, if you answer I take it multiple times and have frequent asthma attacks, they dont say well carry on using your salbutamol inhaler because thats clearly working well for you.

Indeed. But likewise if you have an attack which makes you take your salbutamol inhaler numerous times in quick succession, they will say seek urgent medical assistance. Following which you will be told not to exercise for the following days, until completely clear of symptoms.

As i keep saying, if he required his inhaler so much it is medical neglect by the team and team doctor to allow him to continue racing.

out of interest, the official line is that it was all inhaler based, so if he did smack back the blue one it will be on camera.

or did they miss this?

Considering so many of the peloton are asthmatics have any of us ever seen any of them puffing away?

There's a Greenedge (or whatever they were called at the time) video which includes a rider coming back to the team car for a teammates puffer, dropping it, then trying to get one from another team

There was also a whole twitter Froome using a puffer screen shot thing.
Though I believe he was caught on camera deliberately to set up a later excuse for salbutmol usage

Richmond Racer 2

TailWindHome wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

redvision wrote:

awavey wrote:

yep absolutely, as do I, but it will as weve discussed somewhere in these 93+ pages of pure speculation Im sure, not amount to the stated adverse finding levels. Its question 1 of your yearly asthma NHS check, how often do you use your inhaler, if you answer I take it multiple times and have frequent asthma attacks, they dont say well carry on using your salbutamol inhaler because thats clearly working well for you.

Indeed. But likewise if you have an attack which makes you take your salbutamol inhaler numerous times in quick succession, they will say seek urgent medical assistance. Following which you will be told not to exercise for the following days, until completely clear of symptoms.

As i keep saying, if he required his inhaler so much it is medical neglect by the team and team doctor to allow him to continue racing.

out of interest, the official line is that it was all inhaler based, so if he did smack back the blue one it will be on camera.

or did they miss this?

Considering so many of the peloton are asthmatics have any of us ever seen any of them puffing away?

There's a Greenedge (or whatever they were called at the time) video which includes a rider coming back to the team car for a teammates puffer, dropping it, then trying to get one from another team

There was also a whole twitter Froome using a puffer screen shot thing.
Though I believe he was caught on camera deliberately to set up a later excuse for salbutmol usage

Yeah, that was for No Neck Gerrans

Richmond Racer 2

OCDuPalais wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Herbie Skeete in excoriating form

https://soigneur.nl/stories-en/arrivede ... o/?lang=en

Keep up RR2! We done this in the Lampre thread bump. Your predecessor Richmond Racer even makes an appearance...

Yer wat?

Oh. My bad.

inseine

Froome comes out of his cocoon (according to L'equipe).

timoid.

inseine wrote:

Froome comes out of his cocoon (according to L'equipe).

Vino'sGhost

FROOME TOP UP ON THE BBC

HAHAHAH heres the interview.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/43060102

He seems to indicate that some people have no idea what they're talking about. Rich95

Vino'sGhost

Froome in the times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/froo ... 192f37d87b

larkim

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

Vino'sGhost

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

very nice larkim. He even paints froome and sky as victims or if you want to be more positive that theyre some kind of crusaders for justice. This just gets better and better.

RichN95.

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

One thing few will dispute is that Froome is much better at PR than Brailsford.

Froome seemed confident that they have a proper defence rather than one they've googled.

indyp

I thought Dave Brailsford spoke well, and didn't come across as being cocky in that interview with Aladair Fotheringham on CN. He was clear about the issue, spoke about fair process, and gave a good insight to what is going on.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsf ... at-may-be/

ocdupalais

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Froome in the times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/froo ... 192f37d87b

In the comments:
David Walsh 17 minutes ago
With lungs like Froome's, if the rule is 16 puffs, I am not surprised he managed to get double the amount into his system.
Alan Carter just now
@David Walsh it is a measured dose, you do not suck it in. That would be bad for someone who cannot breathe properly

Vino'sGhost

OCDuPalais wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Froome in the times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/froo ... 192f37d87b

In the comments:
David Walsh 17 minutes ago
With lungs like Froome's, if the rule is 16 puffs, I am not surprised he managed to get double the amount into his system.
Alan Carter just now
@David Walsh it is a measured dose, you do not suck it in. That would be bad for someone who cannot breathe properly

HAHAHAH Excellent. its the gift that keeps on giving

larkim

Vino'sGhost wrote:

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

very nice larkim. He even paints froome and sky as victims or if you want to be more positive that theyre some kind of crusaders for justice. This just gets better and better.

He is right of course - the process has not been followed properly, and that is almost certainly because it is Sky / Froome.

Richmond Racer 2

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

Yeah, well, the stable door lost its lock some time ago and the horse is currently heading across the Steppes I'm afraid

tailwindhome

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

Yeah, well, the stable door lost its lock some time ago and the horse is currently heading across the Steppes I'm afraid

Horse pictures. That's what this thread needs.

tailwindhome

OCDuPalais wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Froome in the times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/froo ... 192f37d87b

In the comments:
David Walsh 17 minutes ago
With lungs like Froome's, if the rule is 16 puffs, I am not surprised he managed to get double the amount into his system.
Alan Carter just now
@David Walsh it is a measured dose, you do not suck it in. That would be bad for someone who cannot breathe properly

Missed the theory up thread that Sky were just better at breathing it in that everyone else

Richmond Racer 2

TailWindHome wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Froome in the times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/froo ... 192f37d87b

In the comments:
David Walsh 17 minutes ago
With lungs like Froome's, if the rule is 16 puffs, I am not surprised he managed to get double the amount into his system.
Alan Carter just now
@David Walsh it is a measured dose, you do not suck it in. That would be bad for someone who cannot breathe properly

Missed the theory up thread that Sky were just better at breathing it in that everyone else

The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind

dish_dash

https://twitter.com/NaomiKyle/status/955994132018749440

thchris1958

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

redvision wrote:

awavey wrote:

yep absolutely, as do I, but it will as weve discussed somewhere in these 93+ pages of pure speculation Im sure, not amount to the stated adverse finding levels. Its question 1 of your yearly asthma NHS check, how often do you use your inhaler, if you answer I take it multiple times and have frequent asthma attacks, they dont say well carry on using your salbutamol inhaler because thats clearly working well for you.

Indeed. But likewise if you have an attack which makes you take your salbutamol inhaler numerous times in quick succession, they will say seek urgent medical assistance. Following which you will be told not to exercise for the following days, until completely clear of symptoms.

As i keep saying, if he required his inhaler so much it is medical neglect by the team and team doctor to allow him to continue racing.

out of interest, the official line is that it was all inhaler based, so if he did smack back the blue one it will be on camera.

or did they miss this?

Considering so many of the peloton are asthmatics have any of us ever seen any of them puffing away?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKZsa4Fs_lo

indyp

'Omerta is alive and well in the peloton' - this written by a 'mod' in the comments section on CN about CF first stage today. I can't believe my eyes at times

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-f ... sol-stage/

Matthewfalle

indyP wrote:

'Omerta is alive and well in the peloton' - this written by a 'mod' in the comments section on CN about CF first stage today. I can't believe my eyes at times

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-f ... sol-stage/

nowt wrong with anything on there - cross section of opinion, same as on here.

ocdupalais

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

Yeah, well, the stable door lost its lock some time ago and the horse is currently heading across the Steppes I'm afraid

Something else comes to mind...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRSbr0EYYU

Vino'sGhost

It’s gone very quiet from the Froome supporters club

m.r.m.

TailWindHome wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

larkim wrote:

A cocky statement from DB - "“I 100 per cent know that he’s done nothing wrong here and despite the pressure, we need to stand up for the right process, which is why we’re here racing,” he said."

I think Froome has the right language - about process, fairness.

DB is going a step further and really puts his reputation on the line if the finding isn't 100% in line with that statement.

Yeah, well, the stable door lost its lock some time ago and the horse is currently heading across the Steppes I'm afraid

Horse pictures. That's what this thread needs.

A horse kept in a stable over winter is hard to bring back with spring air in its nose.