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  • EPC06EPC06 Posts: 213
    So, excluding Tom, who's Froome's biggest rival gonna be?

    Quintana?
    Nibali?
    Bardet?

    None of the above?

    Seriously, why is Quintana still talked about as a contender? I can only assume its a dearth of genuine rivals to Froome.
    He's the new Gesink
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,532
    EPC06 wrote:
    So, excluding Tom, who's Froome's biggest rival gonna be?

    Quintana?
    Nibali?
    Bardet?

    None of the above?

    Seriously, why is Quintana still talked about as a contender? I can only assume its a dearth of genuine rivals to Froome.
    He's the new Gesink
    Because he's actually managed to win two Grand Tours, one of which had Froome in second place. And despite appearances, he's still only 27.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 53,381 Lives Here
    At 326km, this is a little too much.

    DM-_dUgW4AAmAaw.jpg:large

    Though IMAGINE how EPIC it'd be.

    I mean, they'd be on their knees. Properly.

    Circle of death, plus 90km.
  • RichN95 wrote:
    EPC06 wrote:
    So, excluding Tom, who's Froome's biggest rival gonna be?

    Quintana?
    Nibali?
    Bardet?

    None of the above?

    Seriously, why is Quintana still talked about as a contender? I can only assume its a dearth of genuine rivals to Froome.
    He's the new Gesink
    Because he's actually managed to win two Grand Tours, one of which had Froome in second place. And despite appearances, he's still only 27.

    Plus 4 other Grand Tour podiums.
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 3,531
    At 326km, this is a little too much.

    DM-_dUgW4AAmAaw.jpg:large

    Though IMAGINE how EPIC it'd be.

    I mean, they'd be on their knees. Properly.

    Circle of death, plus 90km.

    170kms or more is downhill though.... :D
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,532
    The winner of that 326km stage was relegated for irregular sprinting (in a four man sprint). The 6th place rider was 36 minutes behind them (the Tour was decided by points* not time that year)

    *Actually adding the stage finishing positions together
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 8,791
    So, excluding Tom, who's Froome's biggest rival gonna be?

    Quintana?
    Nibali?
    Bardet?

    None of the above?

    Bardet.
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  • ridgeriderridgerider Posts: 2,821
    RichN95 wrote:
    Someone just posted this on twitter - the first ever Pyreenean stage in 1910. At 289km one for Rick 'The Tank' Chasey

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    Winning route that one.

    ...and that's all before lunch!
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,399
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Quintana could be out of contention after day one if we get a decent wind and some echelons! He doesn't seem very good at that type of riding. I also think he'll ship a load of time on the cobbles and will struggle on the other dirt tracks that have been included. I'''m also not sure his team particularly like riding for him.
    Every time there's been echelons in the Tour that Quintana has ridden, he's made the same group as the rest of the favourites except in 2015, when he lost 1:30 to Froome and Contador on the opening road stage in the Netherlands. So he can handle himself in echelons.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 53,381 Lives Here
    So, excluding Tom, who's Froome's biggest rival gonna be?

    Quintana?
    Nibali?
    Bardet?

    None of the above?

    Bardet.

    Interesting. How come?
  • mamba80mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Mikel Nieve, though like Froome is getting on, the cobbles section will define the race, if its wet.

    Would love to see Contador change his mind though :)
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,137
    andyp wrote:
    Every time there's been echelons in the Tour that Quintana has ridden, he's made the same group as the rest of the favourites except in 2015, when he lost 1:30 to Froome and Contador on the opening road stage in the Netherlands. So he can handle himself in echelons.
    Not true since he lost time to Froome in 2016's Stage 11.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_l7mlUaTSA

    He was lucky the time loss wasn't bigger.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,532
    m.r.m. wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    Every time there's been echelons in the Tour that Quintana has ridden, he's made the same group as the rest of the favourites except in 2015, when he lost 1:30 to Froome and Contador on the opening road stage in the Netherlands. So he can handle himself in echelons.
    Not true since he lost time to Froome in 2016's Stage 11.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_l7mlUaTSA

    He was lucky the time loss wasn't bigger.
    That was more Froome gaining time rather than Quintana losing it.

    In reality echelons have occured and stuck on only a couple of occasions - so the data set is far too small to draw conclusions
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 53,381 Lives Here
    Movistar as a team are fairly fast on the flat.

    You won't see them trying to break the peloton apart, but they can put in a decent TTT and can smash it at the right time to get in the right place.

    I'd back Quintana as part of movistar to survive an echelon stage over someone like Aru or Bardet.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,781
    Movistar as a team are fairly fast on the flat.

    You won't see them trying to break the peloton apart, but they can put in a decent TTT and can smash it at the right time to get in the right place.

    I'd back Quintana as part of movistar to survive an echelon stage over someone like Aru or Bardet.

    That's all fine and dandy, unless Froome is two minutes up the road....
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,538
    inseine wrote:
    Movistar as a team are fairly fast on the flat.

    You won't see them trying to break the peloton apart, but they can put in a decent TTT and can smash it at the right time to get in the right place.

    I'd back Quintana as part of movistar to survive an echelon stage over someone like Aru or Bardet.

    That's all fine and dandy, unless Froome is two minutes up the road....


    Froome has come on a lot but let's not get carried away, he's not a potential Belgian classics winner and while I'd favour him on cobbles or crosswinds over Quintana it's not impossible for Froome himself to get caught out. As Rick says I suspect Bardet, Aru and some others may be more susceptible to losing significant time before the mountains.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 53,381 Lives Here
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,781
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.

    Agreed. For the 2018 Tour people have talked about chosing a team for the flat lands and cobbles, for the mountains and for the TTT, not forgetting that it's only 8 riders. What SKY has is riders like Thomas, Kwia, Moscon and Kennaugh who are pretty good at all disciplines.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 53,381 Lives Here
    inseine wrote:
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.

    Agreed. For the 2018 Tour people have talked about chosing a team for the flat lands and cobbles, for the mountains and for the TTT, not forgetting that it's only 8 riders. What SKY has is riders like Thomas, Kwia, Moscon and Kennaugh who are pretty good at all disciplines.

    Look, having cobbled semi classic winners, World champ & ardenne race winners AND some of the best climbers in the peloton as help is always gonna be unrivalled.

    I mean, can you imagine trying to get Museeuw, Bartoli and Vireunque to ride domestique? Nuts.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,532
    inseine wrote:
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.

    Agreed. For the 2018 Tour people have talked about chosing a team for the flat lands and cobbles, for the mountains and for the TTT, not forgetting that it's only 8 riders. What SKY has is riders like Thomas, Kwia, Moscon and Kennaugh who are pretty good at all disciplines.
    They won't have Kennaugh next year.
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,399
    RichN95 wrote:
    They won't have Kennaugh next year.
    Kennaugh's only ridden two Tours with Froome, both of which he won. Kennaugh was DNF in the 2015 win.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,532
    andyp wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They won't have Kennaugh next year.
    Kennaugh's only ridden two Tours with Froome, both of which he won. Kennaugh was DNF in the 2015 win.
    And next year he'll be riding with Sagan
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  • inseine wrote:
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.

    Agreed. For the 2018 Tour people have talked about chosing a team for the flat lands and cobbles, for the mountains and for the TTT, not forgetting that it's only 8 riders. What SKY has is riders like Thomas, Kwia, Moscon and Kennaugh who are pretty good at all disciplines.

    Look, having cobbled semi classic winners, World champ & ardenne race winners AND some of the best climbers in the peloton as help is always gonna be unrivalled.

    I mean, can you imagine trying to get Museeuw, Bartoli and Vireunque to ride domestique? Nuts.

    Orica's team could be pretty good if they decide who is going to support who.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,532
    I mean, can you imagine trying to get Museeuw, Bartoli and Vireunque to ride domestique? Nuts.
    Cancellara was an excellent domestique for Schleck
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  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,244
    inseine wrote:
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.

    Agreed. For the 2018 Tour people have talked about chosing a team for the flat lands and cobbles, for the mountains and for the TTT, not forgetting that it's only 8 riders. What SKY has is riders like Thomas, Kwia, Moscon and Kennaugh who are pretty good at all disciplines.

    Look, having cobbled semi classic winners, World champ & ardenne race winners AND some of the best climbers in the peloton as help is always gonna be unrivalled.

    I mean, can you imagine trying to get Museeuw, Bartoli and Vireunque to ride domestique? Nuts.

    Telecom had a decent squad in 97, with #1 and #2 in last years race, winner of MSR (Zabel), winner of San Sabastien (Bolts), 6th in the '96 Vuelta (Totschnig),
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 53,381 Lives Here
    RichN95 wrote:
    I mean, can you imagine trying to get Museeuw, Bartoli and Vireunque to ride domestique? Nuts.
    Cancellara was an excellent domestique for Schleck

    He was.

    Though I always suspected it was begrudgingly.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,781
    phreak wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Movistar are a real A list team remember.

    Not quite Sky level, but they're pretty good. They just don't all speak English.

    Agreed. For the 2018 Tour people have talked about chosing a team for the flat lands and cobbles, for the mountains and for the TTT, not forgetting that it's only 8 riders. What SKY has is riders like Thomas, Kwia, Moscon and Kennaugh who are pretty good at all disciplines.

    Look, having cobbled semi classic winners, World champ & ardenne race winners AND some of the best climbers in the peloton as help is always gonna be unrivalled.

    I mean, can you imagine trying to get Museeuw, Bartoli and Vireunque to ride domestique? Nuts.

    Telecom had a decent squad in 97, with #1 and #2 in last years race, winner of MSR (Zabel), winner of San Sabastien (Bolts), 6th in the '96 Vuelta (Totschnig),

    So, we're agreed, SKY have a once in a generation squad?
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,137
    Can't see how that can be disputed.
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 8,791
    So, excluding Tom, who's Froome's biggest rival gonna be?

    Quintana?
    Nibali?
    Bardet?

    None of the above?

    Bardet.

    Interesting. How come?

    ag2r have got a guy on the podium for 3 tours running.

    its not luck... you dont develop that sort of record by accident. those claiming that 2015 was a lottery due to Contador and Froome crashing out need to understand you need to grasp opportunity when it occurs. which is class in its self.

    a very young Bardet got over the cobbles in the wet when nibs won in 2015 and finished 9th when he faded in the third.

    he has what it takes to be a contender and after this year I suspect his TT will improve as will the teams ttt.

    Ag2r come to the tour with game.
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,399
    RichN95 wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    They won't have Kennaugh next year.
    Kennaugh's only ridden two Tours with Froome, both of which he won. Kennaugh was DNF in the 2015 win.
    And next year he'll be riding with Sagan

    If he makes the Tour team. And that's a big if I think.
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