Maybe we are not doomed after all
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Could also switch to a London model, where basically it's a pay-per-drive, or even pay-per-city are-you-drive-throughpblakeney said:
Yup.rick_chasey said:
It'll soon move to energy consumption and taxes on that.pblakeney said:Apparently by 2040 HMRC will lose £35bn PA in revenue due to electric cars not paying VED and fuel taxes. Wonder what will make up the shortfall....
I am assuming "cheap" electric cars will only be cheap for a limited time.0 -
The trouble is that most people do not know that, even a Scottish MP who was complaining recently that they were not getting their share of electric buses in rural Scotland!rick_chasey said:
It'll soon move to energy consumption and taxes on that.pblakeney said:Apparently by 2040 HMRC will lose £35bn PA in revenue due to electric cars not paying VED and fuel taxes. Wonder what will make up the shortfall....
Electric cars are great for moving the pollution away from where people live to power stations which tend to be out of the way, but they're only as green from a climate change perspective as the power station charging it is.
(I know you know this, I'm just making the point)
This topic started in June 2017 with the BBC headline" Renewables provide more than half UK electricity for the first time". They did not mention that that was a peak figure and an hour later that was no longer the case because the sun had gone in. Someone reading the headlines would think that the "Green energy" job was half done back then ,when in fact over 4 years on, over the past year renewables have generated only 24.6% of UK electricity.( National grid figure).
Electric cars do nothing to help lower CO2 in the atmosphere.0 -
I think it will be eye watering whichever method is chosen.rick_chasey said:
Could also switch to a London model, where basically it's a pay-per-drive, or even pay-per-city are-you-drive-throughpblakeney said:
Yup.rick_chasey said:
It'll soon move to energy consumption and taxes on that.pblakeney said:Apparently by 2040 HMRC will lose £35bn PA in revenue due to electric cars not paying VED and fuel taxes. Wonder what will make up the shortfall....
I am assuming "cheap" electric cars will only be cheap for a limited time.
This is based on people forgetting how much tax is in a greedy fuel company litre.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It’s an interesting conundrum.
Fuel duty is a major part of general taxation. Only about 7bn goes towards roads I think I read.
The hole doesn’t have to be filled from motoring taxes and arguably shouldn’t necessarily be.
Conversely, if everybodies cost of travel decreases from circa 10-20p per mile to 3-4ppm, you could see increased congestion. So fully expect per mile taxation to come.
Tax rise Rishi will love it. He’ll probably find a way to tax food banks or hospital visits to fill the gap.0 -
Toll roads to charge for driving on clear roads.
Clean air charge to drive on congested roads.
Pay tax on fuel for normal cars.
Pay per mile for electric cars.
Easy peasy.0 -
You are Tax rise Rishi and I claim my £5.mully79 said:Toll roads to charge for driving on clear roads.
Clean air charge to drive on congested roads.
Pay tax on fuel for normal cars.
Pay per mile for electric cars.
Easy peasy.
Oh, hang on a minute. You need to find a way to make it regressive.
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We must be producing a fair amount of power with all this wind.0
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Read something on LinkedIn that 37% of our power was from wind (not sure if that was just one day last week or over a few days).focuszing723 said:We must be producing a fair amount of power with all this wind.
Is it irony if climate change allows us to generate more renewable energy?0 -
Not really. More energy retained in the atmosphere = more potential for extracting it.Pross said:
Read something on LinkedIn that 37% of our power was from wind (not sure if that was just one day last week or over a few days).focuszing723 said:We must be producing a fair amount of power with all this wind.
Is it irony if climate change allows us to generate more renewable energy?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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If you want to know exactly" gridwatch.co.uk" or "grid.iamkate.com" will tell you.focuszing723 said:We must be producing a fair amount of power with all this wind.
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Ah, cheers Lesfirth.lesfirth said:
If you want to know exactly" gridwatch.co.uk" or "grid.iamkate.com" will tell you.focuszing723 said:We must be producing a fair amount of power with all this wind.
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Cheers, that's a fair amount. It's a shame it's not a bit more guaranteed, until recently it seemed we didn't have any for a while around my way.Pross said:
Read something on LinkedIn that 37% of our power was from wind (not sure if that was just one day last week or over a few days).focuszing723 said:We must be producing a fair amount of power with all this wind.
Is it irony if climate change allows us to generate more renewable energy?0 -
We've gone fromwhat was a pretty still January to a very windy February, highlighting the difficulty in relying on wind for power.1
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Blimey, theirs a rat in my kitchen, what am I going to do?thedirector135 said:I've made a virus in my kitchen with my old hand mincer and some baking soda. When it goes airborne, it will ensure 100% sterility worldwide. After seven years it goes into hibernation mode for a couple of months, during which, everyone can shag like bunnies. It then becomes active for another seven years. This cycle reoccurs over a period of around 10-15 cycles, after which the world's population will be 'sustainable'. You can buy me a lager for saving the world later.
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Your gonna get that rat, that's what your gonna do0
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Breakthrough on micro plastics:
https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/scientists-make-microplastics-breakthrough-devising-method-to-trap-and-remove-them/seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I assume this is pretty good news for both the environment and a British business although I've learned in the past that there is usually a negative side that gets hidden in the publicity
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/28032022/british-airways-to-power-a-number-of-flights-with-sustainable-aviation-fuel-as-it-marks-the-delivery-of-its-first-supply-from-phillips-66-limited?ref=Home
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I think the main issue is that there isn't that much sustainable waste available to be processed.Pross said:I assume this is pretty good news for both the environment and a British business although I've learned in the past that there is usually a negative side that gets hidden in the publicity
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/28032022/british-airways-to-power-a-number-of-flights-with-sustainable-aviation-fuel-as-it-marks-the-delivery-of-its-first-supply-from-phillips-66-limited?ref=Home0 -
Yeah, I suspected that might be the case. I also don't see how it saves CO2 unless it is in the production of the fuel rather than in the actual burning of the fuel as surely if you burn a carbon based material you still get CO2?TheBigBean said:
I think the main issue is that there isn't that much sustainable waste available to be processed.Pross said:I assume this is pretty good news for both the environment and a British business although I've learned in the past that there is usually a negative side that gets hidden in the publicity
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/28032022/british-airways-to-power-a-number-of-flights-with-sustainable-aviation-fuel-as-it-marks-the-delivery-of-its-first-supply-from-phillips-66-limited?ref=Home0 -
Plants take CO2 out the atmosphere when they grow. When they decompose they release it. This is using the energy that would be released anyway, so overall no new CO2. This assumes that it isn't possible to store the waste such that it can't release the CO2 - the whole storage thing is subject to a lot of research.Pross said:
Yeah, I suspected that might be the case. I also don't see how it saves CO2 unless it is in the production of the fuel rather than in the actual burning of the fuel as surely if you burn a carbon based material you still get CO2?TheBigBean said:
I think the main issue is that there isn't that much sustainable waste available to be processed.Pross said:I assume this is pretty good news for both the environment and a British business although I've learned in the past that there is usually a negative side that gets hidden in the publicity
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/28032022/british-airways-to-power-a-number-of-flights-with-sustainable-aviation-fuel-as-it-marks-the-delivery-of-its-first-supply-from-phillips-66-limited?ref=Home
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Just to be argumentative weren't all fossil fuels plants once albeit longer ago?TheBigBean said:
Plants take CO2 out the atmosphere when they grow. When they decompose they release it. This is using the energy that would be released anyway, so overall no new CO2. This assumes that it isn't possible to store the waste such that it can't release the CO2 - the whole storage thing is subject to a lot of research.Pross said:
Yeah, I suspected that might be the case. I also don't see how it saves CO2 unless it is in the production of the fuel rather than in the actual burning of the fuel as surely if you burn a carbon based material you still get CO2?TheBigBean said:
I think the main issue is that there isn't that much sustainable waste available to be processed.Pross said:I assume this is pretty good news for both the environment and a British business although I've learned in the past that there is usually a negative side that gets hidden in the publicity
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/28032022/british-airways-to-power-a-number-of-flights-with-sustainable-aviation-fuel-as-it-marks-the-delivery-of-its-first-supply-from-phillips-66-limited?ref=Home0 -
Yes, but they are currently in storage. In the same way carbon is stored in trees.Pross said:
Just to be argumentative weren't all fossil fuels plants once albeit longer ago?TheBigBean said:
Plants take CO2 out the atmosphere when they grow. When they decompose they release it. This is using the energy that would be released anyway, so overall no new CO2. This assumes that it isn't possible to store the waste such that it can't release the CO2 - the whole storage thing is subject to a lot of research.Pross said:
Yeah, I suspected that might be the case. I also don't see how it saves CO2 unless it is in the production of the fuel rather than in the actual burning of the fuel as surely if you burn a carbon based material you still get CO2?TheBigBean said:
I think the main issue is that there isn't that much sustainable waste available to be processed.Pross said:I assume this is pretty good news for both the environment and a British business although I've learned in the past that there is usually a negative side that gets hidden in the publicity
https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/28032022/british-airways-to-power-a-number-of-flights-with-sustainable-aviation-fuel-as-it-marks-the-delivery-of-its-first-supply-from-phillips-66-limited?ref=Home0 -
Clearing the daft draft.0
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Latest results from CFD auction. Offshore wind still the cheapest technology. 2012 prices, so need a good 20% uplift.
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Seen your boy has fathered twins with one of his execs?focuszing723 said:Clearing the daft draft.
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Is that a result of sleeping on the factory floor?rick_chasey said:
Seen your boy has fathered twins with one of his execs?focuszing723 said:Clearing the daft draft.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Populations desalinating, init. We need kids like Telsa's off the production line.pblakeney said:
Is that a result of sleeping on the factory floor?rick_chasey said:
Seen your boy has fathered twins with one of his execs?focuszing723 said:Clearing the daft draft.
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That's interesting Big Bean. At the start of the year we seemed to have no wind.TheBigBean said:Latest results from CFD auction. Offshore wind still the cheapest technology. 2012 prices, so need a good 20% uplift.
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