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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 58,765 Lives Here

    It’ll cost more than 1% on your income tax

    Many developed countries including UK have commited to paying .7% of gross national income, or something like that, to funding programmes in developing countries, promoting education and familly planning would, I guess come under that budget which we all contribute to through tax.
    Are you an old poster or did you join a bike forum to post about climate change?
    Did you join a bike forum to pick arguments with strangers?
    More of a side quest. Question remains however. Old poster?
    No all my posts are brand new.
    Good grief if this is the level of discussion pisted on these boards not much point in visiting here.
    The bike chat is better tbh
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 17,780

    It’ll cost more than 1% on your income tax

    Many developed countries including UK have commited to paying .7% of gross national income, or something like that, to funding programmes in developing countries, promoting education and familly planning would, I guess come under that budget which we all contribute to through tax.
    Are you an old poster or did you join a bike forum to post about climate change?
    Did you join a bike forum to pick arguments with strangers?
    More of a side quest. Question remains however. Old poster?
    No all my posts are brand new.
    Good grief if this is the level of discussion pisted on these boards not much point in visiting here.
    You may have a point. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pinnopinno Posts: 43,996

    It’ll cost more than 1% on your income tax

    Many developed countries including UK have commited to paying .7% of gross national income, or something like that, to funding programmes in developing countries, promoting education and familly planning would, I guess come under that budget which we all contribute to through tax.
    Are you an old poster or did you join a bike forum to post about climate change?
    Did you join a bike forum to pick arguments with strangers?
    More of a side quest. Question remains however. Old poster?
    No all my posts are brand new.
    Good grief if this is the level of discussion pisted on these boards not much point in visiting here.
    It was (I think), just a straight question.
    People come and go and forget usernames.
    Anyway, if you only came on here to post in this thread, then fine. The more, the merrier.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • mully79mully79 Posts: 590

    It’ll cost more than 1% on your income tax

    Many developed countries including UK have commited to paying .7% of gross national income, or something like that, to funding programmes in developing countries, promoting education and familly planning would, I guess come under that budget which we all contribute to through tax.
    Are you an old poster or did you join a bike forum to post about climate change?
    Did you join a bike forum to pick arguments with strangers?
    More of a side quest. Question remains however. Old poster?
    No all my posts are brand new.
    Good grief if this is the level of discussion pisted on these boards not much point in visiting here.
    To summarise, you're saying we are doomed in the maybe we're not doomed after all thead..
  • focuszing723focuszing723 Posts: 2,963
    edited November 2021
    'Cleaner energy'

    Rolls-Royce SMR said one of its power stations would occupy about one tenth of the size of a conventional nuclear plant - the equivalent footprint of two football pitches - and power approximately one million homes.

    The firm said a plant would have the capacity to generate 470MW of power, which it added would be the same produced by more than 150 onshore wind turbines.

    At an expected cost of around £2bn each, SMRs would cost less than the £20bn each for the larger plant under construction at Hinkley Point and an anticipated, but not yet approved, sister plant at Sizewell in Suffolk.

    If approved for use in the UK, it is understood Rolls-Royce SMR could build up to 16 reactors across the UK for electricity production.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59212983
  • ProssPross Posts: 30,380
    They could build new hydrogen production facilities next door and use the nuclear power to generate hydrogen.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 58,765 Lives Here
    edited November 2021
    On my usual hobby horse, this time the treasury and how to pay for net zero.

  • pinnopinno Posts: 43,996
    So - push the costs of net zero down the line basically.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • 'Cleaner energy'

    Rolls-Royce SMR said one of its power stations would occupy about one tenth of the size of a conventional nuclear plant - the equivalent footprint of two football pitches - and power approximately one million homes.

    The firm said a plant would have the capacity to generate 470MW of power, which it added would be the same produced by more than 150 onshore wind turbines.

    At an expected cost of around £2bn each, SMRs would cost less than the £20bn each for the larger plant under construction at Hinkley Point and an anticipated, but not yet approved, sister plant at Sizewell in Suffolk.

    If approved for use in the UK, it is understood Rolls-Royce SMR could build up to 16 reactors across the UK for electricity production.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59212983
    In the first year of the pandemic, from April 2020 to 2021, it borrowed £299bn, the highest figure since records began in 1946.

    The government is expected to borrow less in the current year, April 2021 to 2022, though the figure could still be more than £200bn.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52663523

    Coming back to this. I still find it difficult to rationalise the cost of Covid in my head, being at around £500,000,000,000, or 250 mini nuclear power stations!
  • Two Hundred and Fifty!
  • I could have aircon and heating on 24/7!
  • 'Cleaner energy'

    Rolls-Royce SMR said one of its power stations would occupy about one tenth of the size of a conventional nuclear plant - the equivalent footprint of two football pitches - and power approximately one million homes.

    The firm said a plant would have the capacity to generate 470MW of power, which it added would be the same produced by more than 150 onshore wind turbines.

    At an expected cost of around £2bn each, SMRs would cost less than the £20bn each for the larger plant under construction at Hinkley Point and an anticipated, but not yet approved, sister plant at Sizewell in Suffolk.

    If approved for use in the UK, it is understood Rolls-Royce SMR could build up to 16 reactors across the UK for electricity production.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59212983
    In the first year of the pandemic, from April 2020 to 2021, it borrowed £299bn, the highest figure since records began in 1946.

    The government is expected to borrow less in the current year, April 2021 to 2022, though the figure could still be more than £200bn.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52663523

    Coming back to this. I still find it difficult to rationalise the cost of Covid in my head, being at around £500,000,000,000, or 250 mini nuclear power stations!
    If it helps circa 60 of them are non Covid
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 58,765 Lives Here
    General consensus seems to be COPs is distinct disappointment.
  • focuszing723focuszing723 Posts: 2,963
    edited November 2021


    Hydrogen propulsion to power future aircraft
    All three ZEROe concepts are hybrid-hydrogen aircraft. They are powered by hydrogen combustion through modified gas turbine engines. Liquid hydrogen is used as fuel for combustion with oxygen.

    In addition, hydrogen fuel cells create electrical power that complements the gas turbine, resulting in a highly efficient hybrid-electric propulsion system. All of these technologies are complementary, and the benefits are additive.
    https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/zero-emission/hydrogen/zeroe
  • pinnopinno Posts: 43,996

    General consensus seems to be COPs is distinct disappointment.

    At least there is a degree of honesty about it. USA and China come together little (through the environment? Who would have thought?).
    Unlike Paris where it had all the hypocrite's clapping and cheering.
    (Although that may yet come).
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • “I have a fair amount of experience with hydrogen, our company has an incredible amount of experience with hydrogen. At least in the size of airframe that we are all talking about. We experiment at the low end, but that’s not going to be a meaningful market here,” Calhoun said in the call.

    “And the advent of sustainable fuel already, already we’re capable of living with that sustainable fuel. I believe that’s going to be the 15-year answer to 2050 guidelines and approaches because we have all worked with it, experimented with it, we know it works, and now we to develop a supply line for it. But I believe it’s the only answer between now and 2050.”


    Boeing's (CEO) take on hydrogen and future fuels.
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