snap general election?

pblakeney

Rick Chasey wrote:

Older people are also less educated.

I guess that accounts for further education being free then as no one used it.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Older people are also less educated.

Maybe, but are they any less intelligent?

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

I think you do get wiser as you get older, but at some point, it starts moving back. People who are younger than me are stupid, and so are people who are older than me.

I think the tipping point has moved later over the years.

So there is only intelligence at precisely your age? If you throw in the fact that most people are fools anyway irrespective of age, it is a pretty select group that remains.

bobmcstuff

KingstonGraham wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

I actually believe the best times are now: there are less wars, medicine is better, the world is more open, and, whilst there maybe a greater wealth gap, much of the world is better off and better educated. Besides that, now is the only time I can change. "I dwell in possibilities" (hope I quoted that right)

No, it was the 90s.

Exactly. What's not to love?

veronese68

meanredspider wrote:

Agreed - but Brexit is hardly "status quo" - it's going to be the biggest upheaval since WW2 probably.

You know this, I know this and a lot of other people also know it. But, there also seem to be significant numbers that see the EU as meddling with things that they don't think need changing. People like my sister in law. When you challenge the assertion you realise it is utterly without foundation, just based on the feeling they get from reading the Daily Mail.

surrey_commuter

Veronese68 wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Agreed - but Brexit is hardly "status quo" - it's going to be the biggest upheaval since WW2 probably.

You know this, I know this and a lot of other people also know it. But, there also seem to be significant numbers that see the EU as meddling with things that they don't think need changing. People like my sister in law. When you challenge the assertion you realise it is utterly without foundation, just based on the feeling they get from reading the Daily Mail.

The Leave campaign was true genius
want to retain the status quo?? well if we stay then Turkey will join and 90 million Turks get the right to come and live here. Vote Leave and stop 90 million Turks coming here.

worried about the NHS - vote Leave and get £350m extra a week!!!

feeling overwhelmed by illegal refugees - vote Leave and we will take back control of our borders

They just checked the polls on what were people's biggest concerns and linked them to EU membership. I suspect most of us do not know too many Brexiteers so to have Coopster reveal his belief system is very interesting

kingstongraham

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

I think you do get wiser as you get older, but at some point, it starts moving back. People who are younger than me are stupid, and so are people who are older than me.

I think the tipping point has moved later over the years.

So there is only intelligence at precisely your age? If you throw in the fact that most people are fools anyway irrespective of age, it is a pretty select group that remains.

The tipping point does move by a year every year.

bompington

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

I think you do get wiser as you get older, but at some point, it starts moving back. People who are younger than me are stupid, and so are people who are older than me.

I think the tipping point has moved later over the years.

So there is only intelligence at precisely your age? If you throw in the fact that most people are fools anyway irrespective of age, it is a pretty select group that remains.

The tipping point does move by a year every year.

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in 7 years."

Mark Twain*

*although it's almost certainly apocryphal

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Older people are also less educated.

Maybe, but are they any less intelligent?

Are you suggesting intelligence has a bearing on your political persuasion?

There's correlation between level of education and political persuasion - there are hundreds of charts for you to look at on that - which is why i mention it.

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Older people are also less educated.

Maybe, but are they any less intelligent?

Are you suggesting intelligence has a bearing on your political persuasion?

There's correlation between level of education and political persuasion - there are hundreds of charts for you to look at on that - which is why i mention it.

but how much is level of education a proxy for wealth or accounts for the fact that far fewer people used to have a degree

bendertherobot

Something breaking news on C4 regarding the election later. Don't know what yet.

coopster_the_1st

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Agreed - but Brexit is hardly "status quo" - it's going to be the biggest upheaval since WW2 probably.

You know this, I know this and a lot of other people also know it. But, there also seem to be significant numbers that see the EU as meddling with things that they don't think need changing. People like my sister in law. When you challenge the assertion you realise it is utterly without foundation, just based on the feeling they get from reading the Daily Mail.

The Leave campaign was true genius

Was it? Or was our EU deal so poor that pointing it out was like shooting fish in a barrel?

Surrey Commuter wrote:

want to retain the status quo?? well if we stay then Turkey will join and 90 million Turks get the right to come and live here. Vote Leave and stop 90 million Turks coming here.

To use your favourite saying to prove this point, you need to look at the direction of travel

Surrey Commuter wrote:

worried about the NHS - vote Leave and get £350m extra a week!!!

This, I agree, was brilliant. Get the remain side to constantly use their slogan keeping it to the front of voters minds. This slogan clearly pointed out two things:
1) How much we were paying for a 'free' trade deal
2) How much we were paying for an £80bn trade deficit with the EU.

Surrey Commuter wrote:

feeling overwhelmed by illegal refugees - vote Leave and we will take back control of our borders

No system should be designed without limits. When you do, the system will eventually reach chaos. To give you an easy comparison, look at what happened when there were no limits put on US mortgage lending...

bendertherobot

Oh look, some more election fraud allegations

rick_chasey

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Older people are also less educated.

Maybe, but are they any less intelligent?

Are you suggesting intelligence has a bearing on your political persuasion?

There's correlation between level of education and political persuasion - there are hundreds of charts for you to look at on that - which is why i mention it.

but how much is level of education a proxy for wealth or accounts for the fact that far fewer people used to have a degree

Cause or effect?

surrey_commuter

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Agreed - but Brexit is hardly "status quo" - it's going to be the biggest upheaval since WW2 probably.

You know this, I know this and a lot of other people also know it. But, there also seem to be significant numbers that see the EU as meddling with things that they don't think need changing. People like my sister in law. When you challenge the assertion you realise it is utterly without foundation, just based on the feeling they get from reading the Daily Mail.

The Leave campaign was true genius

Was it? Or was our EU deal so poor that pointing it out was like shooting fish in a barrel?

Surrey Commuter wrote:

want to retain the status quo?? well if we stay then Turkey will join and 90 million Turks get the right to come and live here. Vote Leave and stop 90 million Turks coming here.

To use your favourite saying to prove this point, you need to look at the direction of travel

Surrey Commuter wrote:

worried about the NHS - vote Leave and get £350m extra a week!!!

This, I agree, was brilliant. Get the remain side to constantly use their slogan keeping it to the front of voters minds. This slogan clearly pointed out two things:
1) How much we were paying for a 'free' trade deal
2) How much we were paying for an £80bn trade deficit with the EU.

Surrey Commuter wrote:

feeling overwhelmed by illegal refugees - vote Leave and we will take back control of our borders

No system should be designed without limits. When you do, the system will eventually reach chaos. To give you an easy comparison, look at what happened when there were no limits put on US mortgage lending...

Amazing

I picked issues which either have nothing to do with the EU or were made up

veronese68

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Amazing

I picked issues which either have nothing to do with the EU or were made up

Perfect illustration of how gullible voters are. Lets not forget unlike the people behind the Leave campaign Coopster actually believes the economy won't get worse and that the money is going to the NHS.

rick_chasey

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ection-law

The Conservative party allegedly operated a secret call centre during the election campaign that may have broken data protection and election laws, according to an investigation by Channel 4 News.

An undercover investigation by the programme has found that the party used a market research firm to make thousands of cold calls to voters in marginal seats in the weeks before the election.

bianchimoon

Veronese68 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Amazing

I picked issues which either have nothing to do with the EU or were made up

Perfect illustration of how gullible voters are. Lets not forget unlike the people behind the Leave campaign Coopster actually believes the economy won't get worse and that the money is going to the NHS.

Hook. line and sinker, Reel him in

Ben6899

Did anyone see Coopster, getting booted out of Question Time?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-4037853 ... nce-member

Dresses like a w@nker as well.

bendertherobot

Corbynista mun. Obvs

Ben6899

bendertherobot wrote:

Corbynista mun. Obvs

Or someone looking for an opportunity to have a go at Gina Miller. What sort of person would look for such an opportunity?

bendertherobot

Ben6899 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Corbynista mun. Obvs

Or someone looking for an opportunity to have a go at Gina Miller. What sort of person would look for such an opportunity?

http://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/ ... an__TUSC_/

kingstongraham

bendertherobot wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Corbynista mun. Obvs

Or someone looking for an opportunity to have a go at Gina Miller. What sort of person would look for such an opportunity?

http://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/ ... an__TUSC_/

His first intervention was when the question asked was "A year on, are we any wiser about what Brexit means?" - he intervened to say that no one was answering the question, which he thought should have been about why Theresa Maynow has no legitimacy and anti-austerity policies have been popular. Then was shouting "Tax the Rich" just before being thrown out. He wasn't just shouting at Gina Miller, but at everyone. Had a bee in his bonnet.

Ben6899

Just a generally angry man, then. Good. I hope that state of mind serves him well.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Older people are also less educated.

Maybe, but are they any less intelligent?

Are you suggesting intelligence has a bearing on your political persuasion?

There's correlation between level of education and political persuasion - there are hundreds of charts for you to look at on that - which is why i mention it.

I was trying establish what you were trying to imply with your statement above.

I may go have a look and see if there is a any evidence of a link between intelligence and political persuasion though - could be interesting if anything can be found.

rick_chasey

I suspect not since most people's IQs are not known, and even if they are, people lie about them.

rick_chasey

Can start with this, but presumably most studies are considered to be flawed in one form or other.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9608001049


^^ for example, if you take the assumption that the more intelligent you are the higher your likelihood of being politically engaged, you could say that the results there that suggest Greens & lib dems attract significantly smarter voters is more a result of their status as marginal parties, for which you need higher levels of engagement to know about.

So knowing about them becomes self selecting; and on top of that, by its very nature the most popular parties arguably should have average voter IQs relatively nearer 100 given they are likely more representative of everyone.

meanredspider

Rick Chasey wrote:

if you take the assumption that the more intelligent you are the higher your likelihood of being politically engaged,

Which I think is a bold assumption to begin with...

rick_chasey

meanredspider wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

if you take the assumption that the more intelligent you are the higher your likelihood of being politically engaged,

Which I think is a bold assumption to begin with...

Sure, that's kinda the point. It was illustrative.


But feel free to get defensive because you feel you'e not massively politically engaged .

meanredspider

Rick Chasey wrote:

But feel free to get defensive because you feel you'e not massively politically engaged .

Ha

The funny thing is I am, I think, very "politically engaged" - but that's very different from thinking that the current democratic process is serving us well. In fact, like learning, there's probably single, double and triple-loop engagement in politics:

Single-loop = you must vote regardless (shall we dub this "the penis (or Ugo) mentality")
Double-loop = being engaged in the politics, understanding the parties and policies
Triple-loop = thinking about the democratic process