snap general election?

bendertherobot

The Mail was bad enough

kingstongraham

lostboysaint wrote:

bompington wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Please remember that "other people" includes your children, parents, grandparents etc.

You know, one of the things I used to like about this forum was that most posters didn't just think in simplistic clichés :roll:

Unfortunately this election is all about simplistic cliches and it's going to be as divisive as it gets. Let's hope we'll all be on the right side of it then shall we rather than caring about what the result is likely to bring?

How about a different simplistic cliché - Do you think you care more than the government ever will about your children, parents, grandparents?

kingstongraham

So are we heading to another of those massive, decisive, crushing victories with 44% of the vote?

lostboysaint

KingstonGraham wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

bompington wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Please remember that "other people" includes your children, parents, grandparents etc.

You know, one of the things I used to like about this forum was that most posters didn't just think in simplistic clichés :roll:

Unfortunately this election is all about simplistic cliches and it's going to be as divisive as it gets. Let's hope we'll all be on the right side of it then shall we rather than caring about what the result is likely to bring?

How about a different simplistic cliché - Do you think you care more than the government ever will about your children, parents, grandparents?

Not only do I care more about my family than the government will ever, despite them having a statutory requirement to provide a free at point of care NHS amongst many other things, I also care about plenty of other people as well, even some who I only know from the internet, so I do have a concern at the voting record of a mad woman who insists that her faith allows her to vote to send kids to war, to replace Trident and yet have amongst the worst voting records for any kind of social reform.

dinyull

Hopefully the referendum turnout will be repeated here. Although I can't see it, as those inclined to vote last time around will have no idea as to who to vote for.

Keep thinking it should be interesting, as people who voted Brexit and have since changed their minds could have a big say...as well as those who didn't vote thinking it was a foregone conclusion.

But the reality is there isn't a viable alternative offering anything for the 48%.

I'm really torn as I quite like what Corbyn has to say and he really seems quite compassionate and interested in fighting for everyone. But then he's surrounded himself with the likes of McDowell and Abbott and I literally haven't got a clue what his manifesto is.

It's going to be a cakewalk, but don't think it'll be the landslide May and her cronies think.

surrey_commuter

Dinyull wrote:

Hopefully the referendum turnout will be repeated here. Although I can't see it, as those inclined to vote last time around will have no idea as to who to vote for.

Keep thinking it should be interesting, as people who voted Brexit and have since changed their minds could have a big say...as well as those who didn't vote thinking it was a foregone conclusion.

But the reality is there isn't a viable alternative offering anything for the 48%.

I'm really torn as I quite like what Corbyn has to say and he really seems quite compassionate and interested in fighting for everyone. But then he's surrounded himself with the likes of McDowell and Abbott and I literally haven't got a clue what his manifesto is.

It's going to be a cakewalk, but don't think it'll be the landslide May and her cronies think.

There is a core of constituencies who would vote for the spouse of the Prime Minister of Denmark if you stuck a red rosette on him so yes I agree that Labour will lose fewer seats than most think. If memory serves me correctly then the LibDems lost quite a few seats by a few thousand votes so could be ripe for the picking.

kingstongraham

lostboysaint wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

bompington wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Please remember that "other people" includes your children, parents, grandparents etc.

You know, one of the things I used to like about this forum was that most posters didn't just think in simplistic clichés :roll:

Unfortunately this election is all about simplistic cliches and it's going to be as divisive as it gets. Let's hope we'll all be on the right side of it then shall we rather than caring about what the result is likely to bring?

How about a different simplistic cliché - Do you think you care more than the government ever will about your children, parents, grandparents?

Not only do I care more about my family than the government will ever, despite them having a statutory requirement to provide a free at point of care NHS amongst many other things, I also care about plenty of other people as well, even some who I only know from the internet, so I do have a concern at the voting record of a mad woman who insists that her faith allows her to vote to send kids to war, to replace Trident and yet have amongst the worst voting records for any kind of social reform.

Mad woman?

bompington

KingstonGraham wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

bompington wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Please remember that "other people" includes your children, parents, grandparents etc.

You know, one of the things I used to like about this forum was that most posters didn't just think in simplistic clichés :roll:

Unfortunately this election is all about simplistic cliches and it's going to be as divisive as it gets. Let's hope we'll all be on the right side of it then shall we rather than caring about what the result is likely to bring?

How about a different simplistic cliché - Do you think you care more than the government ever will about your children, parents, grandparents?

Not only do I care more about my family than the government will ever, despite them having a statutory requirement to provide a free at point of care NHS amongst many other things, I also care about plenty of other people as well, even some who I only know from the internet, so I do have a concern at the voting record of a mad woman who insists that her faith allows her to vote to send kids to war, to replace Trident and yet have amongst the worst voting records for any kind of social reform.

Mad woman?

Yes, it's the popular new term for "female whose views I disagree with"

It may be pointless to say it, due to the fundamental blindness of lefties, but I will still point out, yet again, that it is possible to be in favour of free markets and even be socially conservative, without advocating the compulsory eating of the babies of the poor.

rjsterry

Not even a little nibble?

kingstongraham

rjsterry wrote:

Not even a little nibble?

No, the compulsory part makes it sound like state intervention.

mamba80

bompington wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

bompington wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Please remember that "other people" includes your children, parents, grandparents etc.

You know, one of the things I used to like about this forum was that most posters didn't just think in simplistic clichés :roll:

Unfortunately this election is all about simplistic cliches and it's going to be as divisive as it gets. Let's hope we'll all be on the right side of it then shall we rather than caring about what the result is likely to bring?

How about a different simplistic cliché - Do you think you care more than the government ever will about your children, parents, grandparents?

Not only do I care more about my family than the government will ever, despite them having a statutory requirement to provide a free at point of care NHS amongst many other things, I also care about plenty of other people as well, even some who I only know from the internet, so I do have a concern at the voting record of a mad woman who insists that her faith allows her to vote to send kids to war, to replace Trident and yet have amongst the worst voting records for any kind of social reform.

Mad woman?

Yes, it's the popular new term for "female whose views I disagree with"

It may be pointless to say it, due to the fundamental blindness of lefties, but I will still point out, yet again, that it is possible to be in favour of free markets and even be socially conservative, without advocating the compulsory eating of the babies of the poor.

you mean people whose views differ to yours????

we are not all card carrying communists, not wanting to renew trident, not wanting hs2 or wanting better schools, transport, having compassion for the mentally ill or disabled and a better nhs, does not make someone a "blind leftie" many of these things the tory party used to believe in, including the EU now they want austerity, more austerity and then to top it all, remove us from our biggest single trading partner - even Maggie didnt want that....... so what does this say about the present Government and where it sits in the political spectrum?

i think that if you are PM and base your political beliefs on God then yes you are possibly Mad.

We ve had plenty of posts on here where the majority opinion is that anyone who believes in a non existent God is quite mad.

rjsterry

Well I'm up for eating pretty much anything, but I'd hate to feel like I had to.

bompington

mamba80 wrote:

i think that if you are PM and base your political beliefs on God then yes you are possibly Mad.

We ve had plenty of posts on here where the majority opinion is that anyone who believes in a non existent God is quite mad.

So, seeing as how the existence of God has not, in the the eyes of the majority, been proven one way or the other, you would presumably agree that it would be equally mad not to believe in a God who does exist? Or how about leaving theology to the theologians and judging politicans on the results of their policies?

mamba80

bompington wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

i think that if you are PM and base your political beliefs on God then yes you are possibly Mad.

We ve had plenty of posts on here where the majority opinion is that anyone who believes in a non existent God is quite mad.

So, seeing as how the existence of God has not, in the the eyes of the majority, been proven one way or the other, you would presumably agree that it would be equally mad not to believe in a God who does exist? Or how about leaving theology to the theologians and judging politicans on the results of their policies?

she is the one who brings up her personal faith in christ, that it helps her make difficult decisions and that we should all draw strength from our christian values and come together for brexit and beyond.

i judge May and the Tories on their policies, which i did list out for you, i ve also witnessed first hand the results of spending cuts on the dying (my mum) and on the disabled (my GF's son) i also cycle on roads that are frankly dangerous for cyclists, yet this is all ok and we (according to you) must believe in TM and the tories...... or we are all blind lefties :roll:

bianchimoon

bompington wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

i think that if you are PM and base your political beliefs on God then yes you are possibly Mad.

We ve had plenty of posts on here where the majority opinion is that anyone who believes in a non existent God is quite mad.

Or how about leaving theology to the theologians and judging politicans on the results of their policies?

So leave theologians to talk bollox and leave politicians to live through their teeth?

dinyull

mamba80 wrote:

bompington wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

i think that if you are PM and base your political beliefs on God then yes you are possibly Mad.

We ve had plenty of posts on here where the majority opinion is that anyone who believes in a non existent God is quite mad.

So, seeing as how the existence of God has not, in the the eyes of the majority, been proven one way or the other, you would presumably agree that it would be equally mad not to believe in a God who does exist? Or how about leaving theology to the theologians and judging politicans on the results of their policies?

i judge May and the Tories on their policies, which i did list out for you, i ve also witnessed first hand the results of spending cuts on the dying (my mum) and on the disabled (my GF's son) i also cycle on roads that are frankly dangerous for cyclists, yet this is all ok and we (according to you) must believe in TM and the tories...... or we are all blind lefties :roll:

It's amazing Labour have got it so wrong that despite the country being as divided as ever, undertaking hard brexit and suffering thanks to the cuts that Conservatives will win at a canter.

bianchimoon

Dinyull wrote:

It's amazing Labour have got it so wrong that despite the country being as divided as ever, undertaking hard brexit and suffering thanks to the cuts that Conservatives will win at a canter.

Yes, Britain is a middle of the road country, go too far left or right and you lose... the lib dems seem the best of a bad buch at the moment, tho' I think Farron will easily be tripped up by his 'christian' views

mamba80

My little theory is that the more Labour bang on about the "working class" the more they ll haemorrhage support, people dont like being called working class, they like to think that was their parents/grand parents generation and they are on the up, so they look upon the tories as more aspiration and where they want to be... but i might also be mad too.

Blair concentrated on the so called middle classes and he won 3 elections.

mamba80

For balance.

http://www.reasonstovotetory.uk/

lostboysaint

As usual it's always amusing to read that if you're not supportive of the Tories then you're a card carrying communist.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem with British politics. No room for any kind of social conscience or awareness without being "left wing".

And yes Bomps, she's mad as a box of frogs. Anyone who has publicly declared that her faith will guide her to make the right decision and then votes for war is delusional.

courtmed

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

It's amazing Labour have got it so wrong that despite the country being as divided as ever, undertaking hard brexit and suffering thanks to the cuts that Conservatives will win at a canter.

Yes, Britain is a middle of the road country, go too far left or right and you lose... the lib dems seem the best of a bad buch at the moment, tho' I think Farron will easily be tripped up by his 'christian' views

Could be right, although at least he's generally voted against his religious principles which kind of saves him for me.

kingstongraham

lostboysaint wrote:

As usual it's always amusing to read that if you're not supportive of the Tories then you're a card carrying communist.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem with British politics. No room for any kind of social conscience or awareness without being "left wing".

And yes Bomps, she's mad as a box of frogs. Anyone who has publicly declared that her faith will guide her to make the right decision and then votes for war is delusional.

You weren't just "not supportive of the Tories". You said that the only reason to vote for the Tories is if you are rich and don't care about other people. You also haven't been accused of being a card carrying communist for that, but a leftie. I wouldn't see that as an insult myself.

Jez mon

lostboysaint wrote:

As usual it's always amusing to read that if you're not supportive of the Tories then you're a card carrying communist.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem with British politics. No room for any kind of social conscience or awareness without being "left wing".

And yes Bomps, she's mad as a box of frogs. Anyone who has publicly declared that her faith will guide her to make the right decision and then votes for war is delusional.

She's not mad.

She's cool and calculating. She managed to put herself in the perfect position to lead the party after the Referendum, whichever side won she let the boys get on with the arguing allowing her to come out of the debate looking like a mature adult.

She's been very believable when claiming she wouldn't call a general election, giving her the element of surprise, and the chance to fight an election that no one else is really ready for.

Plus she has framed the debate well, and now anyone that disagrees with her idea of Brexit is some kind of traitor in the eyes of the more popular newspapers...

kingstongraham

Jez mon wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

As usual it's always amusing to read that if you're not supportive of the Tories then you're a card carrying communist.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem with British politics. No room for any kind of social conscience or awareness without being "left wing".

And yes Bomps, she's mad as a box of frogs. Anyone who has publicly declared that her faith will guide her to make the right decision and then votes for war is delusional.

She's not mad.

She's cool and calculating. She managed to put herself in the perfect position to lead the party after the Referendum, whichever side won she let the boys get on with the arguing allowing her to come out of the debate looking like a mature adult.

She's been very believable when claiming she wouldn't call a general election, giving her the element of surprise, and the chance to fight an election that no one else is really ready for.

Plus she has framed the debate well, and now anyone that disagrees with her idea of Brexit is some kind of traitor in the eyes of the more popular newspapers...

Without actually spelling out what that is yet.

Jez mon

KingstonGraham wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

As usual it's always amusing to read that if you're not supportive of the Tories then you're a card carrying communist.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem with British politics. No room for any kind of social conscience or awareness without being "left wing".

And yes Bomps, she's mad as a box of frogs. Anyone who has publicly declared that her faith will guide her to make the right decision and then votes for war is delusional.

She's not mad.

She's cool and calculating. She managed to put herself in the perfect position to lead the party after the Referendum, whichever side won she let the boys get on with the arguing allowing her to come out of the debate looking like a mature adult.

She's been very believable when claiming she wouldn't call a general election, giving her the element of surprise, and the chance to fight an election that no one else is really ready for.

Plus she has framed the debate well, and now anyone that disagrees with her idea of Brexit is some kind of traitor in the eyes of the more popular newspapers...

Without actually spelling out what that is yet.

Je voudrais un rouge, blanc et bleu brexit.

Lookyhere

Jez mon wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

As usual it's always amusing to read that if you're not supportive of the Tories then you're a card carrying communist.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem with British politics. No room for any kind of social conscience or awareness without being "left wing".

And yes Bomps, she's mad as a box of frogs. Anyone who has publicly declared that her faith will guide her to make the right decision and then votes for war is delusional.

She's not mad.

She's cool and calculating. She managed to put herself in the perfect position to lead the party after the Referendum, whichever side won she let the boys get on with the arguing allowing her to come out of the debate looking like a mature adult.

She's been very believable when claiming she wouldn't call a general election, giving her the element of surprise, and the chance to fight an election that no one else is really ready for.

Plus she has framed the debate well, and now anyone that disagrees with her idea of Brexit is some kind of traitor in the eyes of the more popular newspapers...

i agree People who are insane can also be very plausible and convincing, especially when it comes to seizing power, history is littered with examples.

so May's christian beliefs... plays well with some natural tory voters, yet doesnt scripture also say Do not lie? yet that is exactly what she has done, though i guess she can confess through pray and seek forgiveness.

slowbike

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39634287
Suspended MP Simon Danczuk wants to stand for Labour in election

So - basically - this chap - who has done a lot of work on Child abuse - including Rochdale - admits to sending " explicit messages with a 17-year-old girl." still wants to stand as a representative of the people?!

Is he mad?!

I mean - none of us are 100% perfect - but surely there needs to be some level of decency in order to be an MP ...

bianchimoon

Slowbike wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39634287
Suspended MP Simon Danczuk wants to stand for Labour in election

So - basically - this chap - who has done a lot of work on Child abuse - including Rochdale - admits to sending " explicit messages with a 17-year-old girl." still wants to stand as a representative of the people?!

Is he mad?!

I mean - none of us are 100% perfect - but surely there needs to be some level of decency in order to be an MP ...

These people tend to be so narcissistic, that they can't see faults within themselves

rjsterry

mamba80 wrote:

... having compassion for the mentally ill...
i think that if you are PM and base your political beliefs on God then yes you are possibly Mad.

Are you selective about for which of the mentally ill we should have compassion. I suppose it is much easier to label someone mentally ill than come up with actual counter arguments to their ideas.

surrey_commuter

Slowbike wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39634287
Suspended MP Simon Danczuk wants to stand for Labour in election

So - basically - this chap - who has done a lot of work on Child abuse - including Rochdale - admits to sending " explicit messages with a 17-year-old girl." still wants to stand as a representative of the people?!

Is he mad?!

I mean - none of us are 100% perfect - but surely there needs to be some level of decency in order to be an MP ...

he looks like a paragon of virtue next to this chap who they all happily voted for

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