snap general election?

bendertherobot

Was Boris pissex on sky news?

BelgianBeerGeek

Pross wrote:

Well my mind is made up, there's a stunning young woman in the restaurant I'm in with a load of Vote Labour stuff. That seems as good a way to make a choice as much of the policy stuff that has been churned out!

Mint

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Pross wrote:

I'm leaning towards Lib Dem just because they seem to be the only bit of centre ground. I know they won't get in for my constituency but I don't like the way the Tory campaign has gone and whilst I surprisingly quite like some of what Labour have said it seems the only way it can be delivered is by taxing people at an unsustainable rate.

Wait a minute... what Corbyn proposes is less tax than under Blair, which was a golden age until the big crunch (certainly not down to taxation).
Unsustainable? Com'on... we are talking corporation tax...

We collect more corporation tax now when the rate last year was 20% than when Labour left power in 2010 and the rate was 28% - go figure. So if the rate goes back up...

Add to that, corporation tax reductions stimulate investment and activity that drives other tax receipts - I have posted this before but here you go:
http://www.pwc.co.uk/services/tax/total-tax-contribution-100-group.html
There is a deliberate move away from CT in relative terms and towards other taxes. The overall effect is more tax collection overall.

I can see your point but why does Germany do so well with productivity/growth/training and investment, yet has an overall CT of some 35%
Can't investment in plant and machinery etc be offset, yet despite such historically low CT rates, companies in the UK arent investing?

Think how much better they could do with those extra funds to invest in German business if the rates were lower. They are under pressure to cut.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/finance/germanys-corporate-tax-rethink-679420

Can you think of any other examples, or is this the the exception that proves the rule?

Also what is your evidence that UK companies 'are not investing'?

mamba80

Well, high CT in America hasnt stopped them forming Tesla, Apple, Google. MicroSoft, Cisco HP, IBM etc any number of hi-tech defence companies, a whole load of bicycle companies etc etc

Where is our equivalents?

FocusZing

Question Time. May is coming across very well. Strong, confident and articulate. Be happy for her to remain as PM and negotiate Brexit.

She's right about the public sector. Give nurses a pay rise then everyone else wants one, NHS, police, fire, council, security... The money isn't there.

TheBigBean

Are people genuinely outraged that the UK has a foreign aid budget and spends it on impoverished folk around the world? Seems like a good thing to me.

FocusZing

I guess if people aren't getting a pay rise to cover inflation, because the Government haven't got the money...

The old charity begins at home view. Which I agree with after a tough recession we are still balancing, due to bailouts, QE...

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

Well, high CT in America hasnt stopped them forming Tesla, Apple, Google. MicroSoft, Cisco HP, IBM etc any number of hi-tech defence companies, a whole load of bicycle companies etc etc

Where is our equivalents?

The US corporate tax rate is high but these are largely multinational groups that operate across the globe and so bear taxes in many jurisdictions. Add to this the US rules that tax repatriated profits at the full rate means you have a system that pushes much of the corporate activity of these groups offshore and they also keep their accumulated earnings/cash offshore. This keeps their overall tax bill low - take a look at the effective tax rates for many of your examples and you will see what I mean.

This system is flawed - hence the Trump proposals (which are actually quite sensible in some respects if a little hasty in terms of a lack of phase in) - to drop the federal rate to 15% and substantially reduce the rate on repatriated earnings.

The success of these companies can be in my opinion attributed to their entrepreneurialism, positive attitude to business, strength in tech sectors and global capitalist outlook If we shed a bit of our leftie negativity then we can do better

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Well, high CT in America hasnt stopped them forming Tesla, Apple, Google. MicroSoft, Cisco HP, IBM etc any number of hi-tech defence companies, a whole load of bicycle companies etc etc

Where is our equivalents?

The US corporate tax rate is high but these are largely multinational groups that operate across the globe and so bear taxes in many jurisdictions. Add to this the US rules that tax repatriated profits at the full rate means you have a system that pushes much of the corporate activity of these groups offshore and they also keep their accumulated earnings/cash offshore. This keeps their overall tax bill low - take a look at the effective tax rates for many of your examples and you will see what I mean.

This system is flawed - hence the Trump proposals (which are actually quite sensible in some respects if a little hasty in terms of a lack of phase in) - to drop the federal rate to 15% and substantially reduce the rate on repatriated earnings.

The success of these companies can be in my opinion attributed to their entrepreneurialism, positive attitude to business, strength in tech sectors and global capitalist outlook If we shed a bit of our leftie negativity then we can do better

Yep, but these companies started up in a high tax jurisdiction, which kind of proves my point.

as for lefties etc, being a communist country hasnt stopped china has it? out performing a more right wing India! there is more to building new industry than low CT.

FocusZing

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Well, high CT in America hasnt stopped them forming Tesla, Apple, Google. MicroSoft, Cisco HP, IBM etc any number of hi-tech defence companies, a whole load of bicycle companies etc etc

Where is our equivalents?

The US corporate tax rate is high but these are largely multinational groups that operate across the globe and so bear taxes in many jurisdictions. Add to this the US rules that tax repatriated profits at the full rate means you have a system that pushes much of the corporate activity of these groups offshore and they also keep their accumulated earnings/cash offshore. This keeps their overall tax bill low - take a look at the effective tax rates for many of your examples and you will see what I mean.

This system is flawed - hence the Trump proposals (which are actually quite sensible in some respects if a little hasty in terms of a lack of phase in) - to drop the federal rate to 15% and substantially reduce the rate on repatriated earnings.

The success of these companies can be in my opinion attributed to their entrepreneurialism, positive attitude to business, strength in tech sectors and global capitalist outlook If we shed a bit of our leftie negativity then we can do better

The yanks also have a very good venture capitalist culture. Places like Silicon valley harvest young hungry focused people who splinter off with new ideas. They get the backing.

Stevo_666

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Well, high CT in America hasnt stopped them forming Tesla, Apple, Google. MicroSoft, Cisco HP, IBM etc any number of hi-tech defence companies, a whole load of bicycle companies etc etc

Where is our equivalents?

The US corporate tax rate is high but these are largely multinational groups that operate across the globe and so bear taxes in many jurisdictions. Add to this the US rules that tax repatriated profits at the full rate means you have a system that pushes much of the corporate activity of these groups offshore and they also keep their accumulated earnings/cash offshore. This keeps their overall tax bill low - take a look at the effective tax rates for many of your examples and you will see what I mean.

This system is flawed - hence the Trump proposals (which are actually quite sensible in some respects if a little hasty in terms of a lack of phase in) - to drop the federal rate to 15% and substantially reduce the rate on repatriated earnings.

The success of these companies can be in my opinion attributed to their entrepreneurialism, positive attitude to business, strength in tech sectors and global capitalist outlook If we shed a bit of our leftie negativity then we can do better

The yanks also have a very good venture capitalist culture. Places like Silicon valley harvest young hungry focused people who splinter off with new ideas. They get the backing.

We are pretty good on venture capital also, but the US are very good. Part of the positive, capitalist, risk taking culture over there.

http://www.techworld.com/picture-gallery/startups/who-are-uks-22-venture-capital-firms-3642920/

Note also how well we are doing compared to the rest of Europe in this sector.

tailwindhome

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/

Hey Northern Ireland, we're just lumping your 18 MPS together
Even though 3 of your parties have each as many or more seats as the Greens, UKIP and Plaid Cymru put together.

Lookyhere

The Tories have decided to postpone electioneering, how come? we are 4 days from polling day, a very important lead up is being pushed to one side, isn't this just giving into the very terrorists we seek to oppose.

IF there is a need to postpone, should nt the election be delayed also? May and the Tories will still be getting a lot of coverage as she does the PM thing outside Downing street etc, meanwhile Labour cannot be seen to criticise policy etc.

meanredspider

Lookyhere wrote:

The Tories have decided to postpone electioneering, how come? we are 4 days from polling day, a very important lead up is being pushed to one side, isn't this just giving into the very terrorists we seek to oppose.

IF there is a need to postpone, should nt the election be delayed also? May and the Tories will still be getting a lot of coverage as she does the PM thing outside Downing street etc, meanwhile Labour cannot be seen to criticise policy etc.

The other parties can decide to do what they want.

Lookyhere

meanredspider wrote:

Lookyhere wrote:

The Tories have decided to postpone electioneering, how come? we are 4 days from polling day, a very important lead up is being pushed to one side, isn't this just giving into the very terrorists we seek to oppose.

IF there is a need to postpone, should nt the election be delayed also? May and the Tories will still be getting a lot of coverage as she does the PM thing outside Downing street etc, meanwhile Labour cannot be seen to criticise policy etc.

The other parties can decide to do what they want.

No party, ukip aside, can carry on now, it would be seized upon by the tories as bad taste etc etc

As i said, no need to stop campaigning unless you think there is some advantage to do so, Government should be held accountable for its actions, good and bad, esp so close to what is a pivotal GE.

meanredspider

Lookyhere wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Lookyhere wrote:

The Tories have decided to postpone electioneering, how come? we are 4 days from polling day, a very important lead up is being pushed to one side, isn't this just giving into the very terrorists we seek to oppose.

IF there is a need to postpone, should nt the election be delayed also? May and the Tories will still be getting a lot of coverage as she does the PM thing outside Downing street etc, meanwhile Labour cannot be seen to criticise policy etc.

The other parties can decide to do what they want.

No party, ukip aside, can carry on now, it would be seized upon by the tories as bad taste etc etc

As i said, no need to stop campaigning unless you think there is some advantage to do so, Government should be held accountable for its actions, good and bad, esp so close to what is a pivotal GE.

Labour have stopped at a national but not local level...

Lookyhere

I think that suspending campaigning is just giving into the Terrorists, which will no doubt be what the PM will say we wont do, yet is......

Jez mon

meanredspider wrote:

Lookyhere wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Lookyhere wrote:

The Tories have decided to postpone electioneering, how come? we are 4 days from polling day, a very important lead up is being pushed to one side, isn't this just giving into the very terrorists we seek to oppose.

IF there is a need to postpone, should nt the election be delayed also? May and the Tories will still be getting a lot of coverage as she does the PM thing outside Downing street etc, meanwhile Labour cannot be seen to criticise policy etc.

The other parties can decide to do what they want.

No party, ukip aside, can carry on now, it would be seized upon by the tories as bad taste etc etc

As i said, no need to stop campaigning unless you think there is some advantage to do so, Government should be held accountable for its actions, good and bad, esp so close to what is a pivotal GE.

Labour have stopped at a national but not local level...

I thought the tories had done something similar...

This close to the election I think events like this are only going to harden your views. If you thought TM had cut too much from the police,and that the current war on terror wasnt working, you'll only see this as further proof. If you thought there were terrorists everywhere and that electing a man like Corbyn was a tremendous risk, this confirms your beliefs.

bendertherobot

https://twitter.com/nw_nicholas/status/ ... 2831319040

Will be interesting to see the video.

coopster_the_1st

I wonder who JC will invite to No. 10 for tea and biscuits to stop these extremists from continuing to attack innocent people?

Maybe those supporting Corbyn can suggest some names as I cannot think of any?

This is the reality that Corbyn and his supporters have to face. IS is an ideology and there is no who you can discuss with to get them to stop their attacks

bendertherobot

What's your solution?

rick_chasey

Just get on with it.

1,700 people died in traffic accidents in 2016 and people managed to avoid the emotional rubbernecking.

The less oxygen of attention it's given the better it is for everyone long term.

mamba80

Coopster the 1st wrote:

I wonder who JC will invite to No. 10 for tea and biscuits to stop these extremists from continuing to attack innocent people?

Maybe those supporting Corbyn can suggest some names as I cannot think of any?

This is the reality that Corbyn and his supporters have to face. IS is an ideology and there is no who you can discuss with to get them to stop their attacks

i think he has suggested no such talks with IS, and to renew the Geneva peace process with Iran/Russia/Syria etc again without IS, the quickest way to stop these attacks is stability in IRaq and Syria - thats his view, as he stated the other evening.
Years of targeted bombing hasnt helped, so perhaps we need other strategies?

Stop reading the bl00dy Express every day lol!

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

I wonder who JC will invite to No. 10 for tea and biscuits to stop these extremists from continuing to attack innocent people?

Maybe those supporting Corbyn can suggest some names as I cannot think of any?

This is the reality that Corbyn and his supporters have to face. IS is an ideology and there is no who you can discuss with to get them to stop their attacks

And yet Theresa May has quite rightly pointed out

First, the attackers are bound together by Islamist extremism. It is an ideology that claims our values are incompatible with Islam. Defeating this is one of the great challenges of our time.

It will not be defeated by the maintenance of a counter-terrorism operation. It will only be turned around by persuading people are values are better.

mamba80

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

I wonder who JC will invite to No. 10 for tea and biscuits to stop these extremists from continuing to attack innocent people?

Maybe those supporting Corbyn can suggest some names as I cannot think of any?

This is the reality that Corbyn and his supporters have to face. IS is an ideology and there is no who you can discuss with to get them to stop their attacks

And yet Theresa May has quite rightly pointed out

First, the attackers are bound together by Islamist extremism. It is an ideology that claims our values are incompatible with Islam. Defeating this is one of the great challenges of our time.

It will not be defeated by the maintenance of a counter-terrorism operation. It will only be turned around by persuading people are values are better.

nice retort

coopster_the_1st

bendertherobot wrote:

What's your solution?

Ah, the typical Corbynist response. Avoid answering the question.

You answer my question first!

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

I wonder who JC will invite to No. 10 for tea and biscuits to stop these extremists from continuing to attack innocent people?

Maybe those supporting Corbyn can suggest some names as I cannot think of any?

This is the reality that Corbyn and his supporters have to face. IS is an ideology and there is no who you can discuss with to get them to stop their attacks

And yet Theresa May has quite rightly pointed out

First, the attackers are bound together by Islamist extremism. It is an ideology that claims our values are incompatible with Islam. Defeating this is one of the great challenges of our time.

It will not be defeated by the maintenance of a counter-terrorism operation. It will only be turned around by persuading people are values are better.

They know our freedoms are better. They and their families grow up under and benefit from them. They hate the freedoms that our society gives compared to their warped ideology. They will never be persuaded.

letap73

Coopster the 1st wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

What's your solution?

Ah, the typical Corbynist response. Avoid answering the question.

You answer my question first!

To be frank you never seem to answer questions yourself and resort far too easily to ad hominem.

coopster_the_1st

letap73 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

What's your solution?

Ah, the typical Corbynist response. Avoid answering the question.

You answer my question first!

To be frank you never seem to answer questions yourself and resort far too easily to ad hominem.

I will answer the question posed in response once the original question is answered and not dodged, just because the reality of Corbyn's position is uncomfortable for his supporters!!!

bendertherobot

Will any answer do or do you have to agree with it? And, am I allowed this question to answer the question so that you can answer the question?