Bonk after coffee stop (Club ride)
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Bobbinogs wrote:fat daddy wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Second shocked comes from his clubbies mates watching him do this and not saying anything.
They watch him cycle, they watch him stop, they watch him have some cake and ruin a coffee they watch him start cycling again
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Yeah, but Matthew had a bad experience with a club once and assumes that all club riders are asreholes. Hence, he seems to feel the need to have a pop at clubbies at every opportunity, whether it is relevant or not :roll:
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As an insulin dependent diabetic I think the advice about getting a fasting blood glucose test done by a doctor is a great idea in theory but this requires a fasting period
Joking aside, Post prandial hypoglycemia is possible it has happened to me a few times and on each occasion I had tested my blood glucose prior to the hypo and it was normal and I did no exercise after eating before the hypo but yes I know, MRSpider, I am special, but testing blood sugar after eating is not always the answer. You should not exercise with high (or low blood) sugar (below 100mg/dl or above 180mg/dl) exercise can drive blood sugar down as well as up (adrenaline).
I think that more information on what constitutes 'sugar' might help improve the diet, sugar is a fast acting carbohydrate, so look at all carbs not just sugar, i.e. There are about 40grams of carbs in a tin of peas which is about half a day's intake on a low carb diet.my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
So it seems that peas may be some kind of uber wunder food then and people have been sticking needles in themselves for nothing all these years when they could have just had a tin of Jolly Green Giant and got the same results?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
@pinno
I agree with what you say
But carbs produce insulin response, fat doesn't, fat slows down digestion and insulin response, insulin provides glucose to the blood stream and stores fat for future use as energy, so more carbs, more fat, more fat, more weight, exercising correctly to burn fat will balance this out, but you are right to say slow acting carbs fuel your ride better, like your porage
Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat.
*big boned, gravitationally challenged or watevr the correct term in UK currently is my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
Alex99 wrote:
It sounds more like 'cafe legs', not bonk."You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul0 -
team47b wrote:@pinno
I agree with what you say
But carbs produce insulin response, fat doesn't, fat slows down digestion and insulin response, insulin provides glucose to the blood stream and stores fat for future use as energy, so more carbs, more fat, more fat, more weight, exercising correctly to burn fat will balance this out, but you are right to say slow acting carbs fuel your ride better, like your porage
So you'll have to clarify.
FWIW: I doubt most Pro's are on a high fat/low carb diet (apart from Carlos Betancur).
A cyclist requires energy. If the source of energy is fat rather than from carbohydrate, surely then the available energy will be quite slow? Whereas, if the source of energy is a carbohydrate, then the available energy will be slightly quicker (depending on the type of carbohydrate).
Therefore. what is wrong with the entirely natural bodily response which is to produce insulin?
(diabetics aside).
...and, I doubt that gel Froome took within 20km from the finish was actually Mrs Bessy's Best Goose fat.
(other brands of lard/fat are available).seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
...also Fat in your food and fat round your organs are not the same thing, body fat can be burnt for energy but fat in your food will not be digested and turned into glucose for energy until probably way after your ride is finished.
@pinno we know how porage should be spelt (as in spelling not spelt as in a type of wheat)my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
Bobbinogs wrote:
My standard meal after tonight's midweek club ride (sorry Matthew) is a tin of marrowfat peas and a baked potato. I am not mad though, I do warm the peas up ☺MrB123 wrote:fat daddy wrote:MrB123 wrote:Tin of cold peas???
It sounds better if you describe it as a cold tin of 15g of protien, 45g of carbs and 1.45g of fat ..... and just ignore the pea bit
When you put it like that, I can't believe we're not all on the cold peas.
Frozen ones in a bidon for hot summer rides. Blended marrowfat could be an excellent gel substitute.
I use tinned marrowfat peas to make lovely home-made mushy peas.
The method is to heat a good knob of butter in a pan. Add the peas, a bit of the juice from the tin and a slug of white wine vinegar.
Heat through for a few minutes. The peas will soften. Then use a fork to crush and break up the peas to your desired texture.
Add a squeeze of lemon juice, some finely chopped mint and seasoning to taste. Superb!0 -
Is it just me or have we all gone a bit mumsnet around here :-)0
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It may just be me, but I get a lot of enjoyment from a post cafe stop bonk.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
team47b wrote:@pinno
I agree with what you say
But carbs produce insulin response, fat doesn't, fat slows down digestion and insulin response, insulin provides glucose to the blood stream and stores fat for future use as energy, so more carbs, more fat, more fat, more weight, exercising correctly to burn fat will balance this out, but you are right to say slow acting carbs fuel your ride better, like your porage
Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat.
*big boned, gravitationally challenged or watevr the correct term in UK currently is
Is this really correct? You make it sound like carbohydrate intake of any kind at any time results in conversion of said carbs to fat and that insulin "provides glucose to the blood stream". Surely, it reduces glucose in the blood stream? This is it's job, and is the thing that goes out of control in diabetes leading to high glucose levels. Insulin makes the body store glucose as glycogen in the liver and skeletal muscle (exactly where it will be used and converted back to glucose to meet the energy demands of exercise) and also to some degree in fat cells. The context is important. Did Chris Froome lay down fat when he downed those two gels on Alpe d'Huez? I suspect not. Simple carbs straight in, used straight away. Chris' muscles: "thanks very much for that quick access energy"
"Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat." - too simple, not always true.0 -
Alex99 wrote:team47b wrote:@pinno
I agree with what you say
But carbs produce insulin response, fat doesn't, fat slows down digestion and insulin response, insulin provides glucose to the blood stream and stores fat for future use as energy, so more carbs, more fat, more fat, more weight, exercising correctly to burn fat will balance this out, but you are right to say slow acting carbs fuel your ride better, like your porage
Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat.
*big boned, gravitationally challenged or watevr the correct term in UK currently is
Is this really correct? You make it sound like carbohydrate intake of any kind at any time results in conversion of said carbs to fat and that insulin "provides glucose to the blood stream". Surely, it reduces glucose in the blood stream? This is it's job, and is the thing that goes out of control in diabetes leading to high glucose levels. Insulin makes the body store glucose as glycogen in the liver and skeletal muscle (exactly where it will be used and converted back to glucose to meet the energy demands of exercise) and also to some degree in fat cells. The context is important. Did Chris Froome lay down fat when he downed those two gels on Alpe d'Huez? I suspect not. Simple carbs straight in, used straight away. Chris' muscles: "thanks very much for that quick access energy"
"Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat." - too simple, not always true.
excatly - how does the carb get to where it could be layed down as fat? Hmm - blood stream? So that energy is floating in the blood stream until the body decides it doesn't need it right now - and that's probably too simple an explaination too.
Ultimately, getting fat is more energy in than out - with the amount of energy burned being (patially?) controlled by your metabolism.0 -
Who said she'd be the other partner?Dinyull wrote:PBlakeney wrote:It may just be me, but I get a lot of enjoyment from a post cafe stop bonk.
Have you asked the wife?
"I win!" is always a good way to finish. Ends the relationship too.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
However, that's why she bought some silver coloured condoms - because she's sick of you coming first.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
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As long as we are both happy!Pinno wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
However, that's why she bought some silver coloured condoms - because she's sick of you coming first.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If it helps this discussion in anyway, I've just had a beef and onion pie, a Cornish pasty, a bottle of Lucozade and a huuuge bag of Nik Naks for lunch.
Now I'm going to have a coffee, let it all settle and go to the gym.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
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Slowbike wrote:Alex99 wrote:team47b wrote:@pinno
I agree with what you say
But carbs produce insulin response, fat doesn't, fat slows down digestion and insulin response, insulin provides glucose to the blood stream and stores fat for future use as energy, so more carbs, more fat, more fat, more weight, exercising correctly to burn fat will balance this out, but you are right to say slow acting carbs fuel your ride better, like your porage
Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat.
*big boned, gravitationally challenged or watevr the correct term in UK currently is
Is this really correct? You make it sound like carbohydrate intake of any kind at any time results in conversion of said carbs to fat and that insulin "provides glucose to the blood stream". Surely, it reduces glucose in the blood stream? This is it's job, and is the thing that goes out of control in diabetes leading to high glucose levels. Insulin makes the body store glucose as glycogen in the liver and skeletal muscle (exactly where it will be used and converted back to glucose to meet the energy demands of exercise) and also to some degree in fat cells. The context is important. Did Chris Froome lay down fat when he downed those two gels on Alpe d'Huez? I suspect not. Simple carbs straight in, used straight away. Chris' muscles: "thanks very much for that quick access energy"
"Carbs and lack of exercise *make you fat." - too simple, not always true.
excatly - how does the carb get to where it could be layed down as fat? Hmm - blood stream? So that energy is floating in the blood stream until the body decides it doesn't need it right now - and that's probably too simple an explaination too.
Ultimately, getting fat is more energy in than out - with the amount of energy burned being (patially?) controlled by your metabolism.
Yes, and if you need the energy at a time of high demand, say when cycling, then it ain't going to be converted and stored. That would be biochemical madness.
Thing is, I have a pancreas, I can produce insulin and my liver and skeletal muscles will hoover up blood glucose when signaled to do so. This evolved so that I can eat some sugary stuff when I find it (foraging in my jersey pocket, for example). I wouldn't have a sweet energy drink while watching telly. Bet I don't get an insulin spike sipping away on high five on a 3 hour ride. Context is key.0 -
carbohydrates are broken down into glucose, an immediate source of energy. If you eat an excessive amount of sugar/carbs then excess glucose gets stored in the liver as glycogen or, with the help of insulin, converted into fatty acids, circulated to other parts of the body and stored as fat in adipose tissue. When there is an overabundance of fatty acids, fat also builds up in the liver. Whilst this is happening you are also not burning any fat.my isetta is a 300cc bike0
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So on a weight loss related thought, if we eat less sugar and carbs then we'll lose weight, right?Advocate of disc brakes.0
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homers double wrote:So on a weight loss related thought, if we eat less sugar and carbs then we'll lose weight, right?
Sorry for the delay in replying, I was eating
A low-carb diet decreases insulin levels, which causes the body to burn stored fat for energy and ultimately leads to weight loss. You can store fat (insulin response to carbs) or burn fat, you can't do both at the same time, in simple terms.
The biggest problem with carbs is glycemic load, you have to reduce quantity in proportion to the GI, but then we all know it's portion size that causes problems, very few people take the time to calculate how much of each food we can eat, I have to weigh all my food and calculate precisely the carb content and GI to balance insulin injections, I only do this because I have to :roll:my isetta is a 300cc bike0 -
Re the OP, it's never happened to me. Is it similar to being pulled off at halftime?0
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jerry3571 wrote:Ive ridden, raced and tt for about 30 years
It sucks getting old doesn't it!!www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
Interesting thread to read how different people (mis) understand what different food groups do. Team47b has it sorted :!:
Pretty much everyone IMHO would benefit from better management of their blood glucose levels through diet, better fat adaptation and general awareness of what foods to eat and when.0 -
Griffsters wrote:Team47b has it sorted :!:
Yup - he absolutely needs to if he wants to avoid the comorbidities associated with diabetes.ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0 -
meanredspider wrote:Take guesswork out of it and spend a small amount of cash on a meter kit like this
http://www.boots.com/accu-chek-performa ... m-10216436
i am intrigued by this.
what would you do with it?0
