Bonk after coffee stop (Club ride)
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barongreenback wrote:jerry3571 wrote:As far as my diet, today was 4 crackerbread with low sugar jam (slither), and 3 apples, 1 pear, no sugar Yakult yogurt, low fat 2 Dairylea (purple ones), 1 tin of cold peas, 2 bananas, 3 dates, Huge bowl of veg, maybe crackerbread cottage cheese with salsa (no sugar in that. That's pretty much my average day. I have sweetener in my coffee.
That's less than 1,000 calories. If that's a normal day then you seriously need to reassess your diet. I'm assuming you're not morbidly obese so there should be no need to restrict your calories in such an extreme way. Also that much fruit in one day is an awful lot of sugar despite the fact you're on the low sugar jam and sugar free yoghurt.
That's a pretty weird diet if you don't mind me saying so.0 -
Also doesn't tally with having a build like Griepel ?0
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Slowbike wrote:
30 years experience, TTs as well - mid 40's and you're slowing down - sorry mate - you're either a really good troll - hats off - or you've got something seriously wrong.
Its taken 4 pages but the OP may conclude he's unfit and probably needs to sort his diet and weight out.I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0 -
With my work hat on I'm personally shocked that the OP thinks that this amount of sugar and diet is healthy.
Second shocked comes from his clubbies mates watching him do this and not saying anything.
But hey, we're all adults .......Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Second shocked comes from his clubbies mates watching him do this and not saying anything.
They watch him cycle, they watch him stop, they watch him have some cake and ruin a coffee they watch him start cycling again
The only thing you can comment on that is to stop killing the coffee .... but then, if its some cheap arsed bean, roasted to death, badly ground and over/under extracted then perhaps sticking all that sugar in it isn't that bad
I suppose you could also argue that 12g of sugar in an espresso is no real difference to ordering a 250ml latte ... which by chance happens to have 12g of lactose in it0 -
fat daddy wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Second shocked comes from his clubbies mates watching him do this and not saying anything.
They watch him cycle, they watch him stop, they watch him have some cake and ruin a coffee they watch him start cycling again
The only thing you can comment on that is to stop killing the coffee .... but then, if its some cheap arsed bean, roasted to death, badly ground and over/under extracted then perhaps sticking all that sugar in it isn't that bad
I suppose you could also argue that 12g of sugar in an espresso is no real difference to ordering a 250ml latte ... which by chance happens to have 12g of lactose in it
Yup - I personally think too much is being made of this. A glass of orange juice would have way more immediate impact on blood sugar. I also think it's unlikely to be diabetes because that's an intolerance to insulin rather than an overreaction to it.
The bit that has surprised me the most is the regular diet - it's just plain weird.
I'd definitely get a blood glucose meter and monitor yourself a few times a day for a week (including before, during and after the club ride) to see what's going on. Maybe nothing out of the ordinary. But at least you'd know.ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0 -
It's just sheer unhealthy and weird to watch someone pour loads of sugar into a coffee and expect It to be anyway useful to your body at all. If someone I was with did that I'd sure as question them.
What he needs to do is to ge a balanced feed for when he's out riding sorted - mix the slow and long burns, tailor it to training and fitness levels.
I also wouldn't get him to go and get any BM or BP meters - he'll turn himself into a hyperchondriac. Get an appointment down the local health clinic and let someone who has half a clue do the tests.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:It's just sheer unhealthy and weird to watch someone pour loads of sugar into a coffee and expect It to be anyway useful to your body at all. If someone I was with did that I'd sure as question them.
What he needs to do is to ge a balanced feed for when he's out riding sorted - mix the slow and long burns, tailor it to training and fitness levels.
I also wouldn't get him to go and get any BM or BP meters - he'll turn himself into a hyperchondriac. Get an appointment down the local health clinic and let someone who has half a clue do the tests.
I don't disagree about diet but the gels people use are no different from dropping sugar in coffee. There's far more sugar in other things.
I don't really understand how you think doing blood glucose tests at the local health clinic is going to tell him anything (unless he's diabetic). The point is (and I've done it) that it helps you understand what happens to your blood glucose throughout the day and what effect eating and exercise have. I'm not suggesting for one minute it should be "clinically diagnostic" any more than strapping on an HRM is. If the OP thinks his blood glucose is dropping after a coffee stop, just measure it. There's so much riding nutritional "advice" spouted on here and yet only a fraction of people understand what's going on in general - let alone what happens to us as individuals.ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH0 -
Only reason I brought up a blood test at the Doctors was because if there is a medical condition (probably not - but I'm no medic and there's nowhere near enough info) - it will at least get the chance of being identified ...meanredspider wrote:I don't really understand how you think doing blood glucose tests at the local health clinic is going to tell him anything (unless he's diabetic).
A fasting blood glucose test will (probably) tell the professionals all they need to know about the OPs ability to process sugar.0 -
fat daddy wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Second shocked comes from his clubbies mates watching him do this and not saying anything.
They watch him cycle, they watch him stop, they watch him have some cake and ruin a coffee they watch him start cycling again
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Yeah, but Matthew had a bad experience with a club once and assumes that all club riders are asreholes. Hence, he seems to feel the need to have a pop at clubbies at every opportunity, whether it is relevant or not :roll:0 -
If you started out at breakfast with a strong coffee , then had another strong coffee at the stop , you may be sensitive to caffine.
I can ride fairly hard after drinking coffee , but would lay off if I planned on riding at time trial pace or above.
The fitter I get im assuming my metabolic rate rises and caffine tips me over the edge. I feel light headed, get palpitations and its similar to that mild bonk feeling.
Guess we are all different. This took me years to work out.0 -
Bobbinogs wrote:fat daddy wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Second shocked comes from his clubbies mates watching him do this and not saying anything.
They watch him cycle, they watch him stop, they watch him have some cake and ruin a coffee they watch him start cycling again
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Yeah, but Matthew had a bad experience with a club once and assumes that all club riders are asreholes. Hence, he seems to feel the need to have a pop at clubbies at every opportunity, whether it is relevant or not :roll:
Well, this lot seem to give not a fig for htheir clubbie mate. Or does he have to earn it?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Mate. He's a 40 year old bloke in lycra putting 3 sugars in a coffee.
He's not having a bowl of crack cocaine or whatever young folk do these days.
It's a cycling club. Not a counselling session.
Now let's hug it out...0 -
Well, Ta the very sugary coffee and the cake immediately followed by the jelly babies and the sugary drink that's the worrying thing.
Now, I'm no nutritionist, but Common sense really would say these may have an influence on why this is happening....Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Well, this lot seem to give not a fig for htheir clubbie mate. Or does he have to earn it?
on one hand you chastise all clubbies because they impose too many rules ..... now you are chastising them for not imposing rules to how many sugars you can have in a coffee ?
oooh look straws clutch at them0 -
We've had enough of common sense thank you very much.0
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BURN THE EXPERTS !!!0
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It's all FAKE NEWS anyway and my mate at GCHQ told me so.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Tin of cold peas???0
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Tin of Spam.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
How many sugars with the tin of peas?0
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Right, I have come on the back end of this and still a bit befuddled having read through it.
We need to put some basic facts into this.
The OP needs to state his weight, height and calorie intake.
Carbs don't make you fat. What makes you fat is a simple intake and output ratio. More calories in than calories burnt = putting on weight.
Anyway, that's not differentiating between the types of Carbohydrate; from the high starch quick release energy - potatoes, rice, white bread, couscous through to the high fibre and medium to slow release - wholemeal/granary breads, bananas, bran, oats, muesli. Then you have pasta (low in fibre) and although Carbo loading has it's detractors and it's benefits are often over-estimated, there are benefits to this and eating pasta the night before a long ride will make a difference as opposed to say a rice dish.
Dietary fibre is essential:
"Meanwhile, a torrent of studies have shown that fiber-rich foods work wonders in the body, regulating blood-sugar levels, reducing the risk of coronary heart disease, stroke, hypertension, diabetes, obesity, breast cancer, colon cancer and gastrointestinal disorders such as reflux, duodenal ulcer, irritable bowel and diverticulitis (inflammation of abnormal pouches in the wall of the large intestine or colon), and also supporting weight loss."
So maybe a lack of dietary fibre is warranting the use of a Pro-biotic like Yakult? A balanced diet shouldn't require a Pro-biotic. It's a good cure for diarrhoea but in normal circumstances, unnecessary. Much better to eat a plain, natural live Yoghurt surely? These types of pro-biotics should be only used if there is a bacterial imbalance in the gut.
Yakult Red top: 9.2 grams of sugar per bottle.
Yakult Blue top: 2.9 grams of sugar per bottle.
That's quite a lot of sugar for the size of them.
Why the aversion to Carbohydrates by some people?! If people have an aversion to 'Carbs' it's because they are not making the distinction between the types of Carbohydrate. It's crazy. If people are getting fat because they think they are eating too many carbs, it may be the type of carbohydrate and the amount of sugar elsewhere in the diet.
(T47 might disagree with me but he is an insulin dependent diabetic). Fruit and veg is naturally high in fibre, so we don't have to eat bucket loads of carbs to get sufficient quantities of dietary fibre.
The link between dietary fibre and lipid metabolism is however, a very complex area.
Cottage cheese is full of cholesterol. So the OP will eat Cottage cheese without blinking an eye but worry about eating 'too many carbs' !?!
Cottage cheese per 100 grams:
98 calories
15% of your daily salt intake
2.7 grams of sugar
17mg of Cholesterol
Total fat 4.3 grams.
That's ^ not a healthy option if you want to keep the weight down.
Personally, I have had to change my diet because I have a severely under-active thyroid. I am not over weight and I can ride 50 miles happily without a Cafe stop, providing that I prepare properly. That's not unusual as I discovered when I was pointed to a tri-athlete's web site after the thyroid problem was diagnosed and found surprisingly, that under active thyroid is more common than you think amongst professional tri-athletes.
The Op's heart rate suggests a) he is over weight and/or b) is eating too much Cholesterol and besides, I know some guys in their mid 50's who will blow me away (the b*stards). You might not have the turn of speed of a 20 something but you can have a good engine. I would say that 160bpm @ 16mph is not particularly fit, soz mate but that could be down to other factors but being in your 40's is no excuse.
All the above may be totally erroneous as diet is very peculiar to the individual. Perhaps the OP needs a bit of souplesse which doing hilly rides frequently won't be encouraging. Perhaps some roller/turbo sessions or some flat rides and some interval training would help the muscle stay loose, which has an effect on lactic acid dispersion/accumulation and therefore, glycogen/oxygen absorption.
Seems to me, the OP has a huge build up of lactic acid before the cafe stop and no amount of sugar is going to help dissipate the lactic acid. If the digestive system is pre-occupied with digesting food and there's lactic acid accumulation, it's little wonder you feel a bit flat after a cafe stop.
When I do have a cafe stop, I do a lot of stretching. Although I may look like a dork, it off sets the 'coffee legs' syndrome somewhat.
Sugar as in... Sugar will give you more or less instant energy but it's short lived.
I would start with something very simple like; stretching more. After rides, mid rides, between rides.
Then:
- Taking a calorie intake/diet log. Try and find what calorie consumption you should be eating for your size and height. Analyse sugar intake, tyoe of carb intake/volume of carb intake and maybe go ask your GP for a fasting lipid test and see if you are consuming too much cholesterol or are susceptible to high a lipid count (like me).
- Condition the body to burn fat rather than exhaust blood glycogen and then bonk. That requires a different approach which will boil down to better carbohydrate consumption pre ride so that the body has an even and regular energy supply to draw on. You won't go out like a rabbit from a hole on a bowl of muesli but you will go further. I'll eat porage or muesli and a handful of mixed nuts before a long ride.
Anyway, this is the internet and no doubt someone will have a pop at me.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
fat daddy wrote:MrB123 wrote:Tin of cold peas???
It sounds better if you describe it as a cold tin of 15g of protien, 45g of carbs and 1.45g of fat ..... and just ignore the pea bit
When you put it like that, I can't believe we're not all on the cold peas.
Frozen ones in a bidon for hot summer rides. Blended marrowfat could be an excellent gel substitute.0 -
Love the pseudo-science and - frankly - boll0cks contained in this thread. FFS! Harden up and grow a pair0
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Porridge. Before the ride. Yummmm.....
Soreen, Fig Rolls and bananas during the ride.
Water to drink, unless it is 2-hours + or super hot. Then one bidon of water and one of 60/40 water and juice with a pinch of salt.
This has been my staple for decades and I am still alive. Slow, but alive.
I re-fill the water, but have the water/juice/salt a sip at a time over the whole ride.
Stay hydrated and do not hit the cake big-time with a sweet coffee.
Even when you are not on a ride, do not put three sugars in a coffee. It is contrary to the word of God. And he knows about coffee and stuff.0 -
If the OP rides often (and has the same diet for those rides) and felt worse than usual, then perhaps he was just feeling worse than usual?
I can often tell when I'm coming down with a bug because I have much less energy for a run or a ride. Running along feeling pretty crap and wondering what the hell's going on; a day later I'm curled up in bed feeling sorry for myself.
Still, THREE sugars in an espresso?Never be tempted to race against a Barclays Cycle Hire bike. If you do, there are only two outcomes. Of these, by far the better is that you now have the scalp of a Boris Bike.0 -
My standard meal after tonight's midweek club ride (sorry Matthew) is a tin of marrowfat peas and a baked potato. I am not mad though, I do warm the peas up ☺MrB123 wrote:fat daddy wrote:MrB123 wrote:Tin of cold peas???
It sounds better if you describe it as a cold tin of 15g of protien, 45g of carbs and 1.45g of fat ..... and just ignore the pea bit
When you put it like that, I can't believe we're not all on the cold peas.
Frozen ones in a bidon for hot summer rides. Blended marrowfat could be an excellent gel substitute.0 -
Bobbinogs wrote:
My standard meal after tonight's midweek club ride (sorry Matthew) is a tin of marrowfat peas and a baked potato. I am not mad though, I do warm the peas up ☺MrB123 wrote:fat daddy wrote:MrB123 wrote:Tin of cold peas???
It sounds better if you describe it as a cold tin of 15g of protien, 45g of carbs and 1.45g of fat ..... and just ignore the pea bit
When you put it like that, I can't believe we're not all on the cold peas.
Frozen ones in a bidon for hot summer rides. Blended marrowfat could be an excellent gel substitute.
Apology accepted my man.
Standard food after a training ride (sans club) is cheese on toast with salami and chopped up chilies and onions washed down by copious amounts of fresh coffee.
Yum yum.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0
