Paris Nice 2017 spoilers

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,648
    However you cut it, Contador is beaten by a Froome domestique.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    kleinstroker wrote:
    De La Cruz stole Paris-Nice feom Bertie by going for stage win

    Or De La Cruz put Bertie in a position where he could win P-N overall by helping him on the descent even though he risked Martin's podium.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    However you cut it, Contador is beaten by a Froome domestique.

    Brutal.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,704
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Just seen Contador's attack from 50km out. Not sure Henao should have followed that, but given that Contador hasn't made an attack stick for more than five minutes recently I can see why he did.

    I saw it too and thought the same thing.
    Will Sky ever figure out that it might bean idea to get someone up the road?
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    However you cut it, Contador is beaten by a Froome domestique.

    Brandweer for Señor Contador.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Contador loses to SKY by 4 seconds last year, 2 seconds this year. Very similar top ten as well.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Just seen Contador's attack from 50km out. Not sure Henao should have followed that, but given that Contador hasn't made an attack stick for more than five minutes recently I can see why he did.

    I saw it too and thought the same thing.
    Will Sky ever figure out that it might bean idea to get someone up the road?

    Hmmm.....

    I reckon it was more important to keep the team around Henao to control the race from the front. I think he still had two riders left when he went with Contador, so he put himself in that position really. He paid for it with the amount of work he had to do alone to pull Contador back later.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    inseine wrote:
    Contador loses to SKY by 4 seconds last year, 2 seconds this year. Very similar top ten as well.
    Next year he'll lose to Wout Poels by milliseconds.
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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Tuned in late due to kitchen decorating. Could be the radiator spray paint fumes, but I took a double take: Bahrain Merida look mighty like Team Wiggins.
  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    kleinstroker wrote:
    Awesome! And chapeau to my man Bertie for reminding us how good he can be
    by coming second again :lol:
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,570
    Sonny colbrelli finishing fourth on the stage? He must now be second favourite for next weekend behind Si Clark.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,398
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    De La Cruz stole Paris-Nice feom Bertie by going for stage win

    Or De La Cruz put Bertie in a position where he could win P-N overall by helping him on the descent even though he risked Martin's podium.
    And what was he supposed to do, pull over and let Contador win?

    A Paris-Nice stage win is worth something, expecting him to give it up so that someone from a different team can win the stage and overall is a bit perverse.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Thats why i love contador. He rocks.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,535
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    De La Cruz stole Paris-Nice feom Bertie by going for stage win

    Or De La Cruz put Bertie in a position where he could win P-N overall by helping him on the descent even though he risked Martin's podium.
    And what was he supposed to do, pull over and let Contador win?

    A Paris-Nice stage win is worth something, expecting him to give it up so that someone from a different team can win the stage and overall is a bit perverse.

    Heh.

    The other option was to let Contador dangle out front and pull the gap back gradually, using his teammates. It was the sudden burst of acceleration to follow that dropped them.
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  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    De La Cruz stole Paris-Nice feom Bertie by going for stage win

    Or De La Cruz put Bertie in a position where he could win P-N overall by helping him on the descent even though he risked Martin's podium.

    How could he have put Martin's podium at risk? Only Contador was up the road and capable of leap-frogging Martin.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,704
    emadden wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    De La Cruz stole Paris-Nice feom Bertie by going for stage win

    Or De La Cruz put Bertie in a position where he could win P-N overall by helping him on the descent even though he risked Martin's podium.

    How could he have put Martin's podium at risk? Only Contador was up the road and capable of leap-frogging Martin.

    Well, de Cruz did sit back and allow Bertie to take 2 bonus seconds, earlier in the stage.
    Had it had all come back together, it would have caused Contador to leap frog Dan Martin into second by a solitary second. :wink:

    Please, lets not go down the same silly debate route that has broken out again, amongst the children of CN.
    It's called racing folks.
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  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    kleinstroker wrote:
    De La Cruz stole Paris-Nice feom Bertie by going for stage win

    De la Cruz is not aware about the well known convention that everyone should race for Contador

    getting serious, Contador is a legend
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    edited March 2017
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Please, lets not go down the same silly debate route that has broken out again, amongst the children of CN.
    It's called racing folks.
    CN comments show that Contador deserves better fans
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  • the article don
    the article don Posts: 578
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    However you cut it, Contador is beaten by a Froome domestique.

    I think the expression is "bigger fish to fry"
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Proper racing that - really pleased I annoyed my wife by declining to pop to the supermarket.


    :D


    What. A. Race.


    Bert was fab. But pleased for Henao, he's had a mare of a time of it over the last few years
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Just seen Contador's attack from 50km out. Not sure Henao should have followed that, but given that Contador hasn't made an attack stick for more than five minutes recently I can see why he did.

    I saw it too and thought the same thing.
    Will Sky ever figure out that it might bean idea to get someone up the road?


    They remember OCCASIONALLY. But not often.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    Tuned in late due to kitchen decorating. Could be the radiator spray paint fumes, but I took a double take: Bahrain Merida look mighty like Team Wiggins.



    Don't start me off. Dish will have a go at me :P
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Just seen Contador's attack from 50km out. Not sure Henao should have followed that, but given that Contador hasn't made an attack stick for more than five minutes recently I can see why he did.

    I saw it too and thought the same thing.
    Will Sky ever figure out that it might bean idea to get someone up the road?


    They remember OCCASIONALLY. But not often.

    Isn't this like saying "x should've done y and he would've won" - Getting someone up the road isn't just a matter of saying you'll do it.

    That's why it's fun to see the early chaos in stages and seeing how long it takes a break to form that everyone is happy with.

    Sublime bike racing today though.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Oof.

    Stages like this (short) work because they're knackered from the mtf the day before.

    Yep. Looks like the organisers of Paris-Nice have hit upon the perfect formula for a 1 week stage race.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    gsk82 wrote:
    Sonny colbrelli finishing fourth on the stage? He must now be second favourite for next weekend behind Si Clark.


    :D
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    iainf72 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Just seen Contador's attack from 50km out. Not sure Henao should have followed that, but given that Contador hasn't made an attack stick for more than five minutes recently I can see why he did.

    I saw it too and thought the same thing.
    Will Sky ever figure out that it might bean idea to get someone up the road?


    They remember OCCASIONALLY. But not often.

    Isn't this like saying "x should've done y and he would've won" - Getting someone up the road isn't just a matter of saying you'll do it.

    That's why it's fun to see the early chaos in stages and seeing how long it takes a break to form that everyone is happy with.

    Sublime bike racing today though.



    Well I s'pose.... :wink:
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    However you cut it, Contador is beaten by a Froome domestique.

    Don't know whether that's tongue in cheek or not, but he beat him pretty conclusively when the terrain went uphill.

    That said, it's pretty obvious that in terms of his career path Contador is on the slow arc downwards.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,532
    I'm genuinely puzzled by people who don't find Contador entertaining. Good ride by Henao though - he had to dig very deep.
  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    just watched the stage and hats off to Henao, the deserved winner of this stage race.

    who says Contador lost because of others is just wrong, Contador got much more help from others compared to Henao.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,704
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I'm genuinely puzzled by people who don't find Contador entertaining. Good ride by Henao though - he had to dig very deep.

    I haven't read a comment to that effect anywhere, today. Pretty universal praise for today's effort, from what I've seen.
    Hard not to appreciate someone being prepared to risk all with an audacious attack.
    However, it's a pity that few, if any of his fans can be gracious in defeat.
    Very little respect for Henao's ride. Just a lot of abuse aimed at Bahrain for having the gall to practice for M-SR.
    Last year, it was all Tony Gallopin's fault.
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