CMS hearings into the alleged culture of doping and bullying at British Cycling
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surely he would have sent ketaminePross wrote:To me the testosterone thing looks more like a genuine mistake than some of the other issues that have arisen. Who knows, it could even be someone of the mindset of WCF working in the dispatch department of a pharma company getting their kicks
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TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Ok, now that IS something that rings proper alarm bells.
No instances to take that legally.
Doesn't pass your test of police involvement though.
Agreed.
So still small fry.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Ok, now that IS something that rings proper alarm bells.
No instances to take that legally.
Doesn't pass your test of police involvement though.
Agreed.
So still small fry.
Small fry - but potentially big implications.
Irrespective on whether or not you believe it to be cheating, is there anyone not satisfied that there's enough evidence that Sky were using triamcinolone out of competition as a performance enhancer.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Did you watch cycling during the '90s and '00s SC?
Yes
Do you not agree that considering the TV reach in terms of reach and total hours that it is an underfunded sport?
My point is that every negative action by a cyclist or team has a long term impact upon the welfare of current and future riders. The continued presence of Drug Cheat Millar on TV tells you all you need to know about the sport's attitude to doping.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Testerone patches were ordered by mistake. This mistake, coincidentally, was discovered by an employee opening the wrong box.
Just read that :shock:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ukad-re ... e-in-2011/
Really stretching the limits of plausible deniability now... "my laptop got nicked" "the testosterone was delivered by accident".
Peters confirmed the story as it appears in the upcoming UKAD report. They wanted to get ahead of the game. The testosterone was for Wiggins and 3 other riders (not named).
From what has been seen thus far and Lawton will confirm is UKAD plan to charge Wiggins with an anti-doping violation for Kenalog used during a race without the required TUE.
The only question that remains is how they sanction Wiggins. By the rules of he receives 2 years at the time of the Dauphine he loses his Tour win. My guess is they will give him a 1 year sanction and strike all results up to June 2012 thus keeping his Tour. The defense would be using a banned drug without the required paperwork.
Sad times for the sport.0 -
On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0
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CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
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CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
Pross wrote:To me the testosterone thing looks more like a genuine mistake than some of the other issues that have arisen. Who knows, it could even be someone of the mindset of WCF working in the dispatch department of a pharma company getting their kicks
A genuine mistake by whom?
It was indeed not a mistake, as it occurred on more than one occasion. Everything up to this point Brailsford has lied about, so you think releasing this information ahead of the UKAD findings is about being transparent?
Take your time, have a think about it.0 -
Funny how we have two posters who not only share the exact same insider knowledge of the facts of this case, but even unerring insight into the actual state of mind of the protagonists. Staggering.0
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bompington wrote:Funny how we have two posters who not only share the exact same insider knowledge of the facts of this case, but even unerring insight into the actual state of mind of the protagonists. Staggering.
It's not funny at all. It's sad that even after everything that occurred at USPS, here we are again.
One wonders how they got it away with it for so long? Perhaps like in the Armstrong era, journalists became fans and lost their collective backbones. All of this along with the cortisone use was listed in the CIRC report which Brian Cookson, the former head of British Cycling did nothing about.
Now Britain has their very own Lance Armstrong in Bradly Wiggins.0 -
Oh yes, I forgot to mention the shared attitude of sneering, condescending faux superiority0
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bompington wrote:Oh yes, I forgot to mention the shared attitude of sneering, condescending faux superiority
It just makes me want to argue... Every time.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:Pross wrote:To me the testosterone thing looks more like a genuine mistake than some of the other issues that have arisen. Who knows, it could even be someone of the mindset of WCF working in the dispatch department of a pharma company getting their kicks
A genuine mistake by whom?
It was indeed not a mistake, as it occurred on more than one occasion. Everything up to this point Brailsford has lied about, so you think releasing this information ahead of the UKAD findings is about being transparent?
Take your time, have a think about it.
Hang on what..they got testosterone delivered by mistake on more than one occasion ??[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Think you guys might have to chalk this one up as a win for the clinic.0
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RichN95 wrote:
Yes. That has to be explained. It's possible that Paralympians need it legitimately. If it's not legit, why are they buying it on the record and not on the black market like organised dopers. And why would they deliver it to the team bus at a race they've just won and not away from prying eyes.Rick Chasey wrote:Hang on. So British cycling took delivery of a bunch of testosterone?
Just like Leinders is much better to have your doping doctor on the payroll in a legimate fashion as a 'consultant' and not be sneaking off to Tiede to visit Ferrari.
Lessons learnt from the Armstrong era. Make it look legitimate then if it's found out you can explain it away as a mistake.0 -
CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?
A friend of mine's wife had to work late one night. When she arrived home she needed to use the laptop and he took it from the coffee table and handed it to her. She checked the browsing history and found nothing - "too clean" she remarked to her husband. Whilst there was no evidence that he had been watching pornography, she knew he was indeed guilty.
I'll let that sit with you for a while.0 -
Win? Win what?smithy21 wrote:Think you guys might have to chalk this one up as a win for the clinic.
My opinion's only been changed by new facts - not the interminable posts from our visitor.
I thought it was a bit funny but possibly excusable when it was just the kenalog, but now with the testosterone and the farcical explanations I'm struggling to come to any other conclusions.
Having said that, I await UKAD's findings with interest.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?
A friend of mine's wife had to work late one night. When she arrived home she needed to use the laptop and he took it from the coffee table and handed it to her. She checked the browsing history and found nothing - "too clean" she remarked to her husband. Whilst there was no evidence that he had been watching pornography, she knew he was indeed guilty.
I'll let that sit with you for a while.
None then.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
Definitely all very interesting developments. Wait and see now. It does seem extremely unlucky that Testosterone arrived by mistake (if true, I've not long read it to know enough about it), they would have been okay if it was a box of Chewits or Brillo Pads, what are the odds eh?
The only types posters with enough passion invested in this to rattle on and on are of course either anti-Sky or pro-Sky. Those of us with that are impartial about Sky are only interested by the facts and outcome, it is a shame to have to read through so much crap. At least it appears the main protagonist is gone again.0 -
CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?
A friend of mine's wife had to work late one night. When she arrived home she needed to use the laptop and he took it from the coffee table and handed it to her. She checked the browsing history and found nothing - "too clean" she remarked to her husband. Whilst there was no evidence that he had been watching pornography, she knew he was indeed guilty.
I'll let that sit with you for a while.
None then.
Denial is a horrible affliction to suffer from as it causes cognitive blindness.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?
A friend of mine's wife had to work late one night. When she arrived home she needed to use the laptop and he took it from the coffee table and handed it to her. She checked the browsing history and found nothing - "too clean" she remarked to her husband. Whilst there was no evidence that he had been watching pornography, she knew he was indeed guilty.
I'll let that sit with you for a while.
None then.
Denial is a horrible affliction to suffer from as it causes cognitive blindness.
He's only asked for your source for "there is testimony from more than one witness" that's all. So what's the source?0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:Pross wrote:To me the testosterone thing looks more like a genuine mistake than some of the other issues that have arisen. Who knows, it could even be someone of the mindset of WCF working in the dispatch department of a pharma company getting their kicks
A genuine mistake by whom?
It was indeed not a mistake, as it occurred on more than one occasion. Everything up to this point Brailsford has lied about, so you think releasing this information ahead of the UKAD findings is about being transparent?
Take your time, have a think about it.
I have googled it but I can't find any other reference to this happening twice so we have to accept that it's possible that it was a mistake.
The problem is that in isolation we might think that it's an unlucky coincidence but there "seem" to be a lot of unlucky coincidences surrounding Sky. I say "seem" because it's always possible that it is simply the level of scrutiny which makes a handful of incidents over several years appear to be a pattern of behaviour.
Even so as Sky have said they got proof that it was delivered in error it's important they now produce that evidence - if they were concerned enough to get confirmation that it was a mistake by the supplier then give the press whatever documentation they have and let them then chase it up. If they are telling the truth it should be simple to put this one to bed.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
mfin wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?
A friend of mine's wife had to work late one night. When she arrived home she needed to use the laptop and he took it from the coffee table and handed it to her. She checked the browsing history and found nothing - "too clean" she remarked to her husband. Whilst there was no evidence that he had been watching pornography, she knew he was indeed guilty.
I'll let that sit with you for a while.
None then.
Denial is a horrible affliction to suffer from as it causes cognitive blindness.
He's only asked for your source for "there is testimony from more than one witness" that's all. So what's the source?
It's a naive question to ask, do you think Lawton has told anyone whom his source was for the package?0 -
Hang on. You are saying that Peters said there was testosterone for four riders but UKAD are charging Wiggins for Kenalog offence. That makes no sense what so ever. This Jiffy bag seems to contain both testosterone and kenalog simultaneously. It's Schrodinger's Jiffy bag.whiteboytrash wrote:
Peters confirmed the story as it appears in the upcoming UKAD report. They wanted to get ahead of the game. The testosterone was for Wiggins and 3 other riders (not named).
From what has been seen thus far and Lawton will confirm is UKAD plan to charge Wiggins with an anti-doping violation for Kenalog used during a race without the required TUE.
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RichN95 wrote:
Hang on. You are saying that Peters said there was testosterone for four riders but UKAD are charging Wiggins for Kenalog offence. That makes no sense what so ever. This Jiffy bag seems to contain both testosterone and kenalog simultaneously. It's Schrodinger's Jiffy bag.whiteboytrash wrote:
Peters confirmed the story as it appears in the upcoming UKAD report. They wanted to get ahead of the game. The testosterone was for Wiggins and 3 other riders (not named).
From what has been seen thus far and Lawton will confirm is UKAD plan to charge Wiggins with an anti-doping violation for Kenalog used during a race without the required TUE.
You're making stuff up again Arnold.
Says the guy who believes drug use only occurs in dark rooms with secret off the books doping doctors.
You thought this was a media beat up of a nothing story. Look where we are. You've been wrong at each turn on this, horribly wrong.0 -
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whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:CarbonClem wrote:On Wednesday UKAD stated in the meeting there was no evidence to make any charges. What's your source?
The investigation is still ongoing. Whilst there is no paper based eveidnce there is testimony from more than one witness.
Source?
A friend of mine's wife had to work late one night. When she arrived home she needed to use the laptop and he took it from the coffee table and handed it to her. She checked the browsing history and found nothing - "too clean" she remarked to her husband. Whilst there was no evidence that he had been watching pornography, she knew he was indeed guilty.
I'll let that sit with you for a while.
Yeah yeah.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Anyone know how decent the testing is for synthetic testosterone?
Quite difficult I think. Main use is Ooc and short glow time. Probably needs mass spec to distinguish between natural & synthetic, which is very specialised and expensive to run kit, so not run routinely.0
