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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Ah, cheers.

    Apparently this has gone down well with the Ukrainians as most of her counterparts for other nations have already left, so she's definitely on the brave spectrum
    just needs to adopt every stray dog in Kiev
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Ah, cheers.

    Apparently this has gone down well with the Ukrainians as most of her counterparts for other nations have already left, so she's definitely on the brave spectrum
    just needs to adopt every stray dog in Kiev
    I have held a longstanding and unpopular view that Brits like animals too much for their own good and that event and the lack of uproar about it is certainly ammo for my argument.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited February 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Ah, cheers.

    Apparently this has gone down well with the Ukrainians as most of her counterparts for other nations have already left, so she's definitely on the brave spectrum
    no

    she's on doing her job spectrum.

    as they say in my neck of the woods: its your job. do it

    she'll be on a helicopter the minute it gets frisky and will have more security than Mariah Carey on a trip to Compton.

    She's fine.

    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    £94,999 per year plus package and a MBE afterwards.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/944661/September_2019_FCO_Senior_Staff_and_Salary_Details.csv/preview

    she's fine, don't you worry about her.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Remarkable that back in 1994 Ukraine gave up the third biggest stash of nukes for security guarantees from the UK US and Russia and now look.

    And you wonder why Iran and North Korea are so hell bent on nukes.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    It is indeed remarkable.
    It is also equally remarkable that they fell for it.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Also, remember back in 2020 when nobody thought things could get worse...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    pblakeney said:

    Also, remember back in 2020 when nobody thought things could get worse...

    Speak for yourself I’ve been pessimistic about the general trend in politics across the west for a while but a full scale nationwide invasion of a European nation by Russia was not on my gloomy bingo card.
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  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    If Russian separatists already occupy an area of the Ukraine is it really an invasion ?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mully79 said:

    If Russian separatists already occupy an area of the Ukraine is it really an invasion ?

    Yes it is
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    If Russian separatists already occupy an area of the Ukraine is it really an invasion ?

    Yes it is
    He fell for the Jedi mind control. It happens.
  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    If Russian separatists already occupy an area of the Ukraine is it really an invasion ?

    Yes it is
    Its a bit like when I pop in the pub to see my mates. im not invading the pub or trying to take it over, im just meeting my mates who are already there. o:)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    If Russian separatists already occupy an area of the Ukraine is it really an invasion ?

    Yes it is
    Its a bit like when I pop in the pub to see my mates. im not invading the pub or trying to take it over, im just meeting my mates who are already there. o:)
    No it’s like your mates smashing the pub up and threatening the owner for the last 8 years, so when you turn up with a knife he will “give” it to you for free rather than put up a right.
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  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    mully79 said:

    If Russian separatists already occupy an area of the Ukraine is it really an invasion ?

    Yes it is
    Its a bit like when I pop in the pub to see my mates. im not invading the pub or trying to take it over, im just meeting my mates who are already there. o:)
    No it’s like your mates smashing the pub up and threatening the owner for the last 8 years, so when you turn up with a knife he will “give” it to you for free rather than put up a right.
    its sad, but its going to play out that way.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It’s not sad “but” it will play out that way.

    It is said *because* it is playing out that way.

    Stop being an apologist for unprovoked war
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Think this might be the invasion now?

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,352
    The flurry of phone calls and resulting reporting does make it feel like Putin is, er, sticking to his guns and going ahead.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    rick_chasey said:

    pblakeney said:

    Also, remember back in 2020 when nobody thought things could get worse...

    Speak for yourself I’ve been pessimistic about the general trend in politics across the west for a while but a full scale nationwide invasion of a European nation by Russia was not on my gloomy bingo card.
    Speaking for myself I found it wonderful but then I'm happy being anti-social as it turns out, I could wfh, had a garden, a bike on empty roads and lost nobody.
    Others found 2020 a different experience. I was just giving perspective.

    This sh!t is getting real now.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Interesting titbit, especially for Brexiter types, apparently Putin sent different demand letters to different EU countries (in an attempt to show division) and Brussels sent one back asking them to send the demands to Brussels as that’s where the response will be coming from.

    ✌🏻
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    rick_chasey said:

    Interesting titbit, especially for Brexiter types, apparently Putin sent different demand letters to different EU countries (in an attempt to show division) and Brussels sent one back asking them to send the demands to Brussels as that’s where the response will be coming from.

    ✌🏻

    I thought you said this was all to do with NATO?

    Like I said, the unity with the EU could have been a lot better especially in terms of Germany. It looked as fractured as it did with it's initial response to Covid.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters on Tuesday that the U.S. believes that Russia could carry out an attack on Ukraine “at any point,” underscoring the immediacy of the threat should Moscow decide to take action.

    “Our view is this is an extremely dangerous situation. We're now at a stage where Russia could at any point launch an attack in Ukraine,” Psaki told reporters at a briefing, adding later that her language was “more stark than we have been.”
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/590206-white-house-says-russia-could-launch-attack-in-ukraine-at-any-point

    British Royal Air Force planes flew around German airspace when they delivered anti-tank weaponry to Ukraine on Monday, flight-tracking data from FlightRadar24 showed.

    In recent weeks, Ukraine has called on the likes of the US, UK, and Germany to provide military aid to help counter the buildup of Russian troops at its border. Ukraine and the US have long warned of an imminent Russian invasion.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-uk-planes-long-detour-around-germany-deliver-weapons-2022-1?r=US&IR=T

    It doesn't sound too good. We've sent some troops and arms to Ukraine, what will the EU do?
    100 troops.

    Hardly going to make the 100,000 Russian troops on the border worry.
    It's an effort, though. Is the EU making moves? It's akin to Covid, when the going gets tough it fractures, Brussels isn't heard just the independent Countries.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Interesting titbit, especially for Brexiter types, apparently Putin sent different demand letters to different EU countries (in an attempt to show division) and Brussels sent one back asking them to send the demands to Brussels as that’s where the response will be coming from.

    ✌🏻

    I thought you said this was all to do with NATO?

    Like I said, the unity with the EU could have been a lot better especially in terms of Germany. It looked as fractured as it did with it's initial response to Covid.
    Ok, firstly, do I still need to establish the difference between a military alliance (NATO) and a political union (the EU)

    You can’t send political demands to a military alliance nor does the EU have any military oversight.


    And Germany in the last 2 weeks has been as on board as anyone and explicitly said cutting off Nordstream 2 would happen if a full scale invasion happened.

    Problem is they said that when Truss was being called incompetent by the Russian diplomat (not her fault) so we never heard it here in the UK as it wasn’t reported on.

    The West to their credit have been remarkably united on this.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Anyway some suggestion that this Donbas annexation is Putin basically losing out strategically and this is not really what the objective was - hence him being really pissy in that “conference”

    Long thread



    Same idea different commentator
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited February 2022
    That's just a load of waffle and doesn't address the point.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    focuszing723 said:

    That's just a load of waffle and doesn't address the point.

    Ok I’ll be clearer. You’re being stupid if you don’t understand the different roles of NATO and the EU and I fundamentally disagree about the EU looking fractured.

    Less waffle?
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited February 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    That's just a load of waffle and doesn't address the point.

    Ok I’ll be clearer. You’re being stupid if you don’t understand the different roles of NATO and the EU and I fundamentally disagree about the EU looking fractured.

    Less waffle?
    I'm glad you're not an ambassador for the UK, calling people stupid?

    Nope, sorry, the initial response to Covid and the situation with the Ukraine wasn't a United response from Brussels, it was fractured, looking after number one and weak.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    I see Aaron Banks, who *definitely* wasn't in the Russians' pocket is now vigorously tweeting about how Ukraine is like a Russian Isle of Wight.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    That's just a load of waffle and doesn't address the point.

    Ok I’ll be clearer. You’re being stupid if you don’t understand the different roles of NATO and the EU and I fundamentally disagree about the EU looking fractured.

    Less waffle?
    I'm glad you're not an ambassador for the UK, calling people stupid?

    Nope, sorry, the initial response to Covid and the situation with the Ukraine wasn't a United response from Brussels, it was fractured, looking after number one and weak.
    Ok so where were these supposed divisions or fractures then?

    And where are they now?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    focuszing723 said:

    That's just a load of waffle and doesn't address the point.

    Ok I’ll be clearer. You’re being stupid if you don’t understand the different roles of NATO and the EU and I fundamentally disagree about the EU looking fractured.

    Less waffle?
    I'm glad you're not an ambassador for the UK, calling people stupid?

    Nope, sorry, the initial response to Covid and the situation with the Ukraine wasn't a United response from Brussels, it was fractured, looking after number one and weak.
    Ok so where were these supposed divisions or fractures then?

    And where are they now?
    I'm guessing he means Germany.
    They have been proven to be incorrect and are now in line.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I mean, in Germany’s instance, they’ve got a new leader after a long long time and are still in negotiations about what the new govt will look like so they were always going to be slower to be explicit, doubly so when they have a bad record when it comes to German soldiers killing Russians so they’re fairly hesitant.

    So all of the delay is understandable but when things got more likely Germany was right in line with the rest of the West.
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