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Then in 6 months time Putin says "Yes, okay, it was my command all along".mully79 said:It wouldnt surprise me if Russia invades the Ukraine and when the response kicks off, there will be some bs nonsense, like the forces that invaded werent authorised by Russia and Putin will claim it never happened in the first place.
No one will argue because they dont really want to fight with Russia and that will be that.
And life trundles on as it did in the past.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
This is a weird interpretation.briantrumpet said:What is it with right-wingers and Russia?
Surely all this shows how weak Russia is?
Putin can no longer count on Ukraine as a puppet, as they are a democracy and they keep voting in anti Kremlin governments.
Actually doing the invasion is likely not worth it, as has been discussed on here.
It has breathed life into NATO (remember Macron declaring it useless a few years ago? He’s not saying that now), and all the big states have been unified around the position.
Xi is reported to be not happy with the situation, hence the lukewarm response from an otherwise fairly close ally.
So quite the opposite of what Hannan is saying.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is now seeing a steady flow of military support, guns, training etc, it wasn’t receiving beforehand.
In return for what exactly? Ukraine not joining NATO? That was never a realistic option.
The return of show trials in Russia shows how frightened he is. He’s weaker than he has been, not stronger.
Hannan is a reliable idiot and always has been. Infuriates me he was once considered the intellectual of the Brexit movement. All evidence points to the contrary.
And anyway, they’re T-90s, not 72s. He’s an idiot.
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There really should be a law about foreigners coming here and stirring up trouble, maybe like the US landing cards so you can kick them straight outrick_chasey said:
This is a weird interpretation.briantrumpet said:What is it with right-wingers and Russia?
Surely all this shows how weak Russia is?
Putin can no longer count on Ukraine as a puppet, as they are a democracy and they keep voting in anti Kremlin governments.
Actually doing the invasion is likely not worth it, as has been discussed on here.
It has breathed life into NATO (remember Macron declaring it useless a few years ago? He’s not saying that now), and all the big states have been unified around the position.
Xi is reported to be not happy with the situation, hence the lukewarm response from an otherwise fairly close ally.
So quite the opposite of what Hannan is saying.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is now seeing a steady flow of military support, guns, training etc, it wasn’t receiving beforehand.
In return for what exactly? Ukraine not joining NATO? That was never a realistic option.
The return of show trials in Russia shows how frightened he is. He’s weaker than he has been, not stronger.
Hannan is a reliable idiot and always has been. Infuriates me he was once considered the intellectual of the Brexit movement. All evidence points to the contrary.
And anyway, they’re T-90s, not 72s. He’s an idiot.0 -
It just shows how some people are really attracted to the trappings and behaviour of strong-man politics.
Anyone who even considers the context of the situation would understand that this behaviour is a symptom of weakness not strength.0 -
We view it that way in the west, the Russian perspective quite likes this type of posturing. I don’t quite understand why, I’d have thought it would be humiliating to do all the posturing and then back down but there you go.rick_chasey said:It just shows how some people are really attracted to the trappings and behaviour of strong-man politics.
Anyone who even considers the context of the situation would understand that this behaviour is a symptom of weakness not strength.0 -
Century of state propaganda pummelling you will help a bit.kingstonian said:
We view it that way in the west, the Russian perspective quite likes this type of posturing. I don’t quite understand why, I’d have thought it would be humiliating to do all the posturing and then back down but there you go.rick_chasey said:It just shows how some people are really attracted to the trappings and behaviour of strong-man politics.
Anyone who even considers the context of the situation would understand that this behaviour is a symptom of weakness not strength.0 -
Here's a question for Putin. Acknowledging he won't actually read it.
Have recent event made it more or less likely that Ukraine will join NATO given the chance?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So apparently Russian news is now referring to spurious claims of Ukrainian genocide in the Donesk region against Russians, which would suggest they're amping up the pretext to go to war in Ukraine internally.0
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Russia now saying that refugees fleeing from aggression in East Ukraine will be accommodated in Russia. Approx 190,000 Russian troops now amassed close to the border. Very worrying times indeed.0
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Almost certainly going to happen now.kingstonian said:Russia now saying that refugees fleeing from aggression in East Ukraine will be accommodated in Russia. Approx 190,000 Russian troops now amassed close to the border. Very worrying times indeed.
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Biden to speak to the nation this evening. Can't remember whether it's 8 pm or 9 pm our time. Wasn't planned until a few hours ago.0
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190,000 troops is very old school.0
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21:00 GMT.Dorset_Boy said:Biden to speak to the nation this evening. Can't remember whether it's 8 pm or 9 pm our time. Wasn't planned until a few hours ago.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I do feel sorry for all the ordinary people just trying to make the best of it who will get caught up in all of this.0
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21:00 GMT.Dorset_Boy said:Biden to speak to the nation this evening. Can't remember whether it's 8 pm or 9 pm our time. Wasn't planned until a few hours ago.
Looking likely but already? Source?rick_chasey said:So Russia has invaded
PS - Puts everything else into perspective.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I do like how invasions are coordinated to tie in with broadcasters. #sarcasm
On the BBC
"That's all for now
We're pausing our live coverage of the Ukraine crisis for today. Here's a round-up of some of Friday's key developments:"The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Lets say Russia invades the Ukraine - What then?
a) The major part of Ukraine will become more anti-Russia.
b) Install a largely unpopular puppet government? recipe for serious instability and a serious drain on Russia's economy. It will eventually unravel and there'll be an even greater wedge between the two countries.
c) Incorporate Ukraine into Russia? Well that worked well with Chechnya didn't it, and Ukraine is much closer to Moscow. And I imagine Ukrainian truck drivers are as good as anyone else at driving truck bombs the 500km to Moscow. And so many roads - imagine the security issues.
d) Institute an oppressive reign of terror? even stronger anti-Russian feeling
e) Export all non-Russians? Where to? Siberia? so lots of anti-Russian enclaves
f) Exterminate everyone?
What I don't understand is why these big countries don't do some serious economic reform so countries and people actually want to join them. Works with England, Europe, USA. Why not with China, Russia1 -
All overnight stories of explosions in Ukraine have apparently disappeared.pblakeney said:I do like how invasions are coordinated to tie in with broadcasters. #sarcasm
On the BBC
"That's all for now
We're pausing our live coverage of the Ukraine crisis for today. Here's a round-up of some of Friday's key developments:"
Strange. 🤔The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Im starting to think Russia will finish its scheduled exercise on the 20th Feb as planned.
Putin was just trolling American security sources all along.1 -
I hope I'm right for once but I've always felt it was North Korea style posturing and that an invasion is unlikely. I don't see any real benefit to Russia. They can walk away and say 'we said all along it was just an exercise, why were the West getting so worried?'. In the meantime it has helped increase rebellion in parts of Ukraine so causing Ukraine problems.mully79 said:Im starting to think Russia will finish its scheduled exercise on the 20th Feb as planned.
Putin was just trolling American security sources all along.0 -
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Remember your combat ratios gents..... numbers aren't adding up yet..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I wonder how much Elon Musk will sell tickets to Mars for?0
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No, that's not the combat ratio.
you never compare like for like as you're going to get slaughtered if you go like for like in a scrap.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I always think, how much heart do people have in a situation counts for a lot too. Look at how hard the Vietnamese people fought.
Whatever, it's $h1t state of affairs, war. On the backdrop of a Global pandemic too, crazy.0 -
Yes there was some guy on the radio this week saying Russia didn't have enough troops in position to carry out a quick invasion.
I mean I wouldn't know how important numbers are in modern warfare compared to things like equipment - but that was the opinion of this expert.
Balanced against that why would the USA be saying they expected an invasion within days if they weren't ?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Numbers are still the most important thing as you still need boots on the ground. The C/R is a basic in every single military op.
Because they are planning for the worst and would look v silly if Russia invaded and the Govt had said, ah, fella, don't worry about it, nothing is going to happen.
Also means that the Govt can ramp up military expenditure with nobody asking why - after all, Boeing etc do like a good war: good for profits, innit..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I'm worried about the journey so am going to have the memory of a trip implanted instead.focuszing723 said:I wonder how much Elon Musk will sell tickets to Mars for?
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