EU Referendum (Serious...ish)

So with just shy of 3 weeks to the big EU referendum, I wondered what our fellow crudders views were.
Try to keep it seriousish, I'm genuinely interested to hear peoples views are without people being worried about a backlash from others (it's amazing how many people on Facebook are calling people voting to Leave idiots, retards and other things. That won't help them change their mind!)
So, my view is that I'm still not sure. I change my mind a little bit every now and then. I've mostly been leaning toward the Leave side, as I like the thought of taking a challenge and seeing what happens. Something I keep noticing is that Remain people are saying that the EU might break up in 20/30/40 years if we leave, which would be quicker than if we stay in. Well if it's going to break up anyway, is it not better to abandon a sinking ship?
So, share your views, answer others, be civil and let's see what happens.
Try to keep it seriousish, I'm genuinely interested to hear peoples views are without people being worried about a backlash from others (it's amazing how many people on Facebook are calling people voting to Leave idiots, retards and other things. That won't help them change their mind!)
So, my view is that I'm still not sure. I change my mind a little bit every now and then. I've mostly been leaning toward the Leave side, as I like the thought of taking a challenge and seeing what happens. Something I keep noticing is that Remain people are saying that the EU might break up in 20/30/40 years if we leave, which would be quicker than if we stay in. Well if it's going to break up anyway, is it not better to abandon a sinking ship?
So, share your views, answer others, be civil and let's see what happens.
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Should we Remain or Leave the EU? 76 votes
Vote Remain
67%
51 votes
Vote Leave
19%
15 votes
Still not Sure
2%
2 votes
Slightly more on the Remain Side
3%
3 votes
Slightly more on the Leave side
6%
5 votes
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Can you tell I am not convinced either way ............
Well I'm actually in - personally I think we'd be mad to leave the EU and it would be a significant backwards step, we should work together to create a better world and if that means that we spend some of our great wealth supporting other countries and helping people make a better life for themselves then fine by me.
People are deluded I they think immigration will reduce and we'd be safe from money grabbing fat cats if we leave the EU - we leave ourselves wide open for government and those in charge to take advantage and the gap between the rich and poor would get even bigger.
Excellent point and most people are making the assumption that Germany and France will not change their positions and are basing their voting choice on the party involved, personalities and immigration.
jeez :roll:
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Personally I think we should stay. We sell a huge amount into Europe including Switzerland and Norway. Shipping within the EC is far easier and cheaper. To have a preferential trade agreement with the EU we would have to pay in anyway, apparently the Norwegians pay almost as much per head as we do by the time you take into account all the money going in and out. Yet they don't get as good a deal as we do. Plus do you really trust our government? I believe the EU has limited some things on workers rights and civil liberties. I was listening to Radio 4 the other day and there was someone from a body representing small businesses. They said some of their members that objected to the EU did so because of things like working hours legislation and limits on pesticides. Both of those restrictions are in the interests of the general public. A lot of what the EU does is to our benefit, we just don't see it.
The press are not exactly impartial about this, the press is largely controlled by rich right wing types. Murdoch once said the reason he didn't like the EU was that he could control Downing Street but he has no control over the EU. Boris used to be pro EU, I think he only changed as he saw an opportunity to get the top job. I don't believe much of what he says any more. Apparently he was recently described as being like Donald Trump with a thesaurus.
I could go on but doubt anyone has read all that and I should really do some work.
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I can't imagine they will be the only big employer to do this.
I'm voting remain
Why do you think Cameron is so pro EU? While we are all discussing the EU him and his cronies are busy at work dismantling any public service they can get their hands on and after we vote to stay in (which will happen) we'll still be blaming the immigrants instead of those Tory scumbags.
Wonder why we got into so much debt?
Who knows.
Left wing paranoia?
...bet they don't. Factor in the original reason for coming to the UK - there were some advantages in terms of Development Zone concessions but the real reason was that the senior management could play golf on British courses. Location decisions are rarely made with any sense of rationality.
jeez :roll:
They UK factory is making a steady million pound a year loss, they're looking for the excuse to close anyway. The Korean company bought the UK business to get our technology and patients.
The UK plant is the main technical centre, we're already seeing the higher tech development projects moving to Germany.
I'd be extremely surprised if I have a job if we leave the EU.
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I've been coordination our Groups BREXIT contingency and we have no plans to relocate anything. Nor have we seen any major multinationals state that they will do a full scale relocation. Some banks have said they will move certain functions to allow them to retain access under the 'passprting rules' in financial services though.
That said, I am still 'in' as mentioned above. Unrestricted access to the world's largest trading block is pretty important to our prosperity.
Exactly, it's not the immigrants or the EU that are ruining our NHS, causing a housing shortage, filling up our schools and what ever else people feel like blaming them for its our own government. While we all argue about the EU the NHS crisis is worsening, Fire Service response times are the longest they have ever been and increasing, schools are slowly being privatised etc etc and we're doing nothing about it.
What huge laws and rules?? The bendy banana rule and no turbo powered hair driers? Who gives a toss. Working time directive - great, block exemption - great, environmental laws - great, vehicle emission laws - great - thank you very much Europe.
Just ask yourself if we leave Europe will the NHS be fixed, will they build more schools, will the housing crisis no longer exist - I very much doubt it.
Oh, hang on a minute - try asking your GP who their employer is?
No more delusional than the arguments for leaving the EU.
But you've missed my point entirely, we don't need to be out of the EU to sort out the problems which are apparently caused by being in the EU.
I will do that. I'll make an appointment first thing tomorrow to see her then in three or four weeks time I'll be able to ask her.
F'n immigrants
Great smokescreen, which will be over in less than 3 weeks time.
well, being cynical, its likely DC decided to go pro, after he thought the INs would win and Boris went OUT because he thinks they ll win, these guys want power and for the losers, they ll be out on their ear.
As for EU/NHS migration, i was fixed up yesterday by an ooh Polish dentist, i asked her why she works in UK, her reply was "its easy to travel and work here"
if we leave, and introduce this points system, she ll find it not not so easy, meaning she ll either stay where she is or go to another eu country, maybe even move to aus, who knows but freedom of movement benefits us too.
Lol you seriously have not been paying attention for the last few years.
The referendum also creates a platform to apportion blame for our countries problems which I'm sure will last longer than 3 weeks.
How did you know my GP is an immigrant? She does am excellent job given the conditions our government has imposed on her and her colleagues.
On the other hand though. She came over here, took our jobs and stole our women. Send her back where she came from.
There is no need for a referendum to blame the EU for anything, would have been just as easy to do that if we were just staying in and there was no referendum. Have a think about that...