La primavera - Milan San Remo 2016 **SPOILERS**
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Richmond Racer 2 wrote:The_Boy wrote:Demare making a statement at 1730 this afternoon apparently. I gather too that the commissaires have investigated and will be taking no further action due to lack of evidence.
Fwiw, I've had a quick scootch at the part of the race in question and Demare appears to get away from the crash ahead of Kenyuck and then make it back to the peloton ahead of him by a similar sort of margin. Quite prepared to believe that he took a cheeky tow , mind, but the 80km/h touted by the renowned champion for truth Gazetta dello Sport seems a little far fetched.
It appears that immediately after the finish, a number of riders reported that Demare had got a row at warp speed up the Cipressa. Capecchi and Tosatto were just two who've been quoted, but there were plenty others, apparently
Apparently?
Well that confirms it then! Let's hang draw and quarter the scoundrel!!!Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
Demare uploads his races to Strava. He got the KOM for the last mile segment of the Cipressa (seven seconds faster than Visconti who also posts to Strava). But now he's deleted the files.ademort wrote:I think its in the winners best interest and the interest of the team and sponsors that Demare makes all his computer information available for inspection in a similar way that SKY have done for Froome in the past.Twitter: @RichN950 -
If he uploaded it then any claim that he lost his computer will seem odd....Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
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So Visconti only lost 7 seconds over the course of a mile to someone traveling at 80 kph? That's some impressive riding from Visconti.RichN95 wrote:
Demare uploads his races to Strava. He got the KOM for the last mile segment of the Cipressa (seven seconds faster than Visconti who also posts to Strava). But now he's deleted the files.ademort wrote:I think its in the winners best interest and the interest of the team and sponsors that Demare makes all his computer information available for inspection in a similar way that SKY have done for Froome in the past.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
Six riders swear he got into the Mavic car.DeadCalm wrote:So Visconti only lost 7 seconds over the course of a mile to someone traveling at 80 kph? That's some impressive riding from Visconti.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Demare uploads his races to Strava. He got the KOM for the last mile segment of the Cipressa (seven seconds faster than Visconti who also posts to Strava). But now he's deleted the files.ademort wrote:I think its in the winners best interest and the interest of the team and sponsors that Demare makes all his computer information available for inspection in a similar way that SKY have done for Froome in the past.
Oooh. The 'towgate' saga just got more interesting.
Personally I find it amazing that considering all of the cameras focusing on the race that there is no footage of the incident at all.0 -
Indeed. But that's no reason to call off a witch hunt.Milton50 wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Demare uploads his races to Strava. He got the KOM for the last mile segment of the Cipressa (seven seconds faster than Visconti who also posts to Strava). But now he's deleted the files.ademort wrote:I think its in the winners best interest and the interest of the team and sponsors that Demare makes all his computer information available for inspection in a similar way that SKY have done for Froome in the past.
Oooh. The 'towgate' saga just got more interesting.
Personally I find it amazing that considering all of the cameras focusing on the race that there is no footage of the incident at all.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
What we need is his time up the Cipressa, not a portion of it.0
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Milton50 wrote:
Personally I find it amazing that considering all of the cameras focusing on the race that there is no footage of the incident at all.
If you mean TV cameras then it's not at all amazing. Why would TV cameras be hanging back to film Demare on the deck when the race is up front?-- Dirk Hofman Motorhomes --0 -
Anyone who has been to any major race over the last few years knows that there will have been people filming on camera phones virtually all the way up the Cipressa. Where is the footage?phil s wrote:Milton50 wrote:
Personally I find it amazing that considering all of the cameras focusing on the race that there is no footage of the incident at all.
If you mean TV cameras then it's not at all amazing. Why would TV cameras be hanging back to film Demare on the deck when the race is up front?Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
phil s wrote:Milton50 wrote:
Personally I find it amazing that considering all of the cameras focusing on the race that there is no footage of the incident at all.
If you mean TV cameras then it's not at all amazing. Why would TV cameras be hanging back to film Demare on the deck when the race is up front?
It's Milan San Remo. There are cameras constantly at the back on the Cipressa and Poggio to see which sprinters are off the back.0 -
If he got towed for more than a micro-second, there will assuredly be footage somewhere (at least of the grainy mobile-phone variety). Now that this story has hit the news, I’m sure it will come out.0
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According to my Garmin, my maximum speed was 130 kph for a few seconds.RichN95 wrote:
Even that would be inconclusive. What you need is the data file with the speeds. Either there is an unnatural spike in speed for a few seconds or there isn't.Joelsim wrote:What we need is his time up the Cipressa, not a portion of it.
It wasn't.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
Tbh I don't really give a monkeys about the tow.
What I do find amazing is the French on twitter going bezerk on how there's no proof we can't go around accusing and judging without the proof.
197% this sentiment will be forgotten about half way up the the first mountain in the tour.It's not so much about winning, I just hate losing.0 -
What I've ascertained so far:
He was with Matthews and a couple of Boras about 1 minute behind before the Cipressa after his crash.
He was 17" quicker than the peloton up a 1.7km section of the Cipressa.
Where did he make up the other 43" or so?
I'm tempted to put a tenner on him winning the Tour given FDJ's new TTT ability, chances of bonus points in the sprint and his stunning JaJa-like transformation in his climbing ability.0 -
LeePaton wrote:Tbh I don't really give a monkeys about the tow.
What I do find amazing is the French on twitter going bezerk on how there's no proof we can't go around accusing and judging without the proof.
197% this sentiment will be forgotten about half way up the the first mountain in the tour.
So true!0 -
Joelsim wrote:LeePaton wrote:Tbh I don't really give a monkeys about the tow.
What I do find amazing is the French on twitter going bezerk on how there's no proof we can't go around accusing and judging without the proof.
197% this sentiment will be forgotten about half way up the the first mountain in the tour.
So true!
Lots of hypocrisy over this. Not you. You are consistent in your willingness to believe the worst. How different the reaction on this forum would be if it was a Brit accused of the same though.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
I honestly don't care all that much, especially if he was caught out by a crash"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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But he was doing 80 kph? We know this for a fact. Apparently.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
DeadCalm wrote:Lots of hypocrisy over this. .
Who from?
Seems that the forum is pretty much talking it's customary line with regard to avoid accusation without evidence.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:I honestly don't care all that much, especially if he was caught out by a crash
I do, I had Bouhani each way...!0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Here you go (no idea about the validity of this)Joelsim wrote:What we need is his time up the Cipressa, not a portion of it.
Edit: He's restored his file to Strava. There's nothing alarming about it that I can see.
To be strict about this, strava is very easily to fix/change, so I wouldn't count it as admissible evidence....0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Here you go (no idea about the validity of this)Joelsim wrote:What we need is his time up the Cipressa, not a portion of it.
Edit: He's restored his file to Strava. There's nothing alarming about it that I can see.
Can you check his top speed compared to the others? 52kph I gather but I'm not on Strava. How long for this burst? Again compared to others. (52kph is about as fast as I can go downhill)
Is there something in this that for 30 seconds his speed increased substantially? Can this be found out?0 -
Absolutely not. There hasn't been one single post sceptical about the suggestion that he took a tow that I have seen. Maybe I have missed the odd one but I don't think so. In any event, the general consensus seems to have been that he must be guilty.TailWindHome wrote:DeadCalm wrote:Lots of hypocrisy over this. .
Who from?
Seems that the forum is pretty much talking it's customary line with regard to avoid accusation without evidence.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
No-one has said he must be guilty. But likewise, if several independent eye-witnesses from within the peloton say he did something wrong, I'm not going to dismiss them either.DeadCalm wrote:
Absolutely not. There hasn't been one single post sceptical about the suggestion that he took a tow that I have seen. Maybe I have missed the odd one but I don't think so. In any event, the general consensus seems to have been that he must be guilty.TailWindHome wrote:DeadCalm wrote:Lots of hypocrisy over this. .
Who from?
Seems that the forum is pretty much talking it's customary line with regard to avoid accusation without evidence.Twitter: @RichN950 -
So, without looking back, I seem to recall that there were respected posters on here complaining about how slowly the bunch were riding up the cipressa. Demare, who was desperately chasing back on managed to ride it a couple of seconds faster. And?Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
You would if it was Geraint (can't stay upright on a bike) Thomas though.RichN95 wrote:
No-one has said he must be guilty. But likewise, if several independent eye-witnesses from within the peloton say he did something wrong, I'm not going to dismiss them either.DeadCalm wrote:
Absolutely not. There hasn't been one single post sceptical about the suggestion that he took a tow that I have seen. Maybe I have missed the odd one but I don't think so. In any event, the general consensus seems to have been that he must be guilty.TailWindHome wrote:DeadCalm wrote:Lots of hypocrisy over this. .
Who from?
Seems that the forum is pretty much talking it's customary line with regard to avoid accusation without evidence.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
