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springtide wrote:My Cannondale started creaking after just two rides, although tightening the cranks seems to have temporary cured the creaking. Not the best start for a factory fitted £170 BB don't you think?
No, that clearly is not the best start. But my point is/was, that I'm not sure how representative reported problems, such as yours, are of the total number of these frames out there. The fact that it went away after tightening, suggests it was an installation rather than a systemic problem. As for ditching your Cannondale cranks, I think you'll find that they fetch a very good price secondhand, there's a reason for that...
The PX problem ? Well that may very well be a quality control problem.0 -
MikeBrew wrote:springtide wrote:My Cannondale started creaking after just two rides, although tightening the cranks seems to have temporary cured the creaking. Not the best start for a factory fitted £170 BB don't you think?
No, that clearly is not the best start. But my point is/was, that I'm not sure how representative reported problems, such as yours, are of the total number of these frames out there. The fact that it went away after tightening, suggests it was an installation rather than a systemic problem. As for ditching your Cannondale cranks, I think you'll find that they fetch a very good price secondhand, there's a reason for that...
The PX problem ? Well that may very well be a quality control problem.
The biggest issue for me, is the ease of servicing. BSA BBs are so easy to maintain and there is nothing really to come loose. With the BB30, you need press tools, torque wrenches etc and generally seem to be a pain in the a...Simon0 -
Fair comment, threaded outboard bearings are ridiculously easy to change, but that kind of begs the question : why did you buy a Cannondale ? They originated the BB30 and would appear to be committed to it for the foreseeable future..0
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Interesting point. Simon, were you aware of the foibles of BB30 when you bought the bike ?0
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bristolpete wrote:Interesting point. Simon, were you aware of the foibles of BB30 when you bought the bike ?
@pete & @mike
I bought the bike as it has fantastic reviews and I had a huge discount on the Cannondale (40% off RRP)... so was hard to resist.
My first experience with PF/BB30 was the Planet X XLS, and yes it had a tendency of squeaking early on, and mostly fixed by tightening.
Previous to the Cannondale I had the Planet X N2A which also had a BB30, but that was squeak free, but I think mostly because it was installed by a very good LBS who know how to install and make sure there are no issues. But, and this is a big but, there are so many bikes out there using PF/BB30 they are hard to avoid, as BSA seems to be used less and less, although mainly I believe as everyone is chasing frame weight specs. e.g. I think most of the Canyon's use some from of PF.. and looking at how many different BBs there are: http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/c ... kets-36660 stick with the devil you know!!
I guess the bottom line is that I am willing to put up with the extra maintenance as the rest of the bike has rave reviews. And I have to say, the Cannondale SiSL2 Hollowgram is a piece of engineering, although looks slightly overly complex to change the chain rings over.. so much so, I have committed to running the standard chainset (and just need to get fit!!)
Don't get me wrong, I love my Dale and it feels like I have gone back home.. my first mountain bike all of 25+ years ago was a Dale and have always loved their engineering... one day I WILL own a Lefty!
And yes, I love the Supersix; stiffer than my N2A, but the SS is actually comfortable!! Why did I get rid of the N2A? It was taken from me!! (stolen)Simon0 -
I think it's worth buying the right tools, then any minor issues will be less daunting, and hence less irritating/frustrating. Compared to what is spent on kit and bikes, a few necessary, decent quality tools are a drop in the financial ocean..0
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This is me nearly all set. Stem now sitting on the headset cap. I had a 5mm in there for a few rides before and fancied it that bit lower again. Still have the crappy 110mm stem on there which I need to swap for a nicer one but I may still go for a 120mm once I've tried a few lengthier rides on it.
The blue outers didn't quite colour match the other blue accents so I'll likely switch to black or cannondale green. I'm not big on the feel of the cork bar tape so will probably do that job soon enough. The wheels will do until birthday time around August.
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Ordered a 56cm CAAD 10 frame set in Silver and Red , from Pauls last night. Thinking SRAM Force for the groupset. 30mm semi-deep rimmed wheels already on the way for £99 from Super Star Components courtesy of Girofotto's heads up thread.0
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MikeBrew wrote:Ordered a 56cm CAAD 10 frame set in Silver and Red , from Pauls last night. Thinking SRAM Force for the groupset. 30mm semi-deep rimmed wheels already on the way for £99 from Super Star Components courtesy of Girofotto's heads up thread.
Have you got a link to the wheels?0 -
Germcevoy wrote:MikeBrew wrote:Ordered a 56cm CAAD 10 frame set in Silver and Red , from Pauls last night. Thinking SRAM Force for the groupset. 30mm semi-deep rimmed wheels already on the way for £99 from Super Star Components courtesy of Girofotto's heads up thread.
Have you got a link to the wheels?
Limited colour options but worth a punt. I went for Silver Elites, unsurprisingly
Would have gone for the PAVE28mm with 17mm inner rim width, but Gold or White would not look right on my frame set
http://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/c ... s-2024.htm
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Germcevoy wrote:This is me nearly all set. Stem now sitting on the headset cap. I had a 5mm in there for a few rides before and fancied it that bit lower again. Still have the crappy 110mm stem on there which I need to swap for a nicer one but I may still go for a 120mm once I've tried a few lengthier rides on it.
The blue outers didn't quite colour match the other blue accents so I'll likely switch to black or cannondale green. I'm not big on the feel of the cork bar tape so will probably do that job soon enough. The wheels will do until birthday time around August.
Try the Cannondale C2 stem, very nice gloss finish, light and cheap,/ plenty on Ebay for £10 ish may be less, it`ll look good with gloss finish on yours and be fine till you decide on what finishing kit you want ti use all the way through saving you cash for the wheels you know your gonna get waaaaaayyyyyy before August !!!!
25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.0 -
http://www.westbrookcycles.co.uk/3t-arx ... GwodWMID1w
Fit in well with the white stripe down the top tube.0 -
Have 3T stem/bars and seat post going on my build. Quality kit at superb prices and stiff to boot. Scheduled to be built next tuesday, images to follow but a fairly pedestrian build compared to some of the super bikes knocking about.0
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Here 'he/she/they is built. 56mcm frame, 3T inline post, 3T bars and stem, 165mm DA cranks, Praxis adaptor, Ultegra front/rear mech and shifters, Specialized HD bar tape, Specialzied power saddle, Mavic Ksyrium Elite 2015, Taxc tao cages, bike computer from Garmin what tells what the lottery numbers is are too, and where to cow pats are as I ridin' in Devon lanes ye see.
Overall delighted. Stiff, strong, light, fast ; pick 4. Will no doubt stead me in good fast for Dartmoor shown in my picture below, at the top of Haytor.
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165mm cranks, a 56cm frame and what looks like quite a short stem ? I`m guessing your all legs
I have the same wheels on my none HiMod and find them loads better than the RS81s I had.(but Giant tyres on it?)
Nice, reliable, strong set up that I'm sure will be comfy too if mines anything to go by.
Roll on spring !25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.0 -
Now I look at it your stems a 10cm at least ?25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.0
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Galatzo wrote:165mm cranks, a 56cm frame and what looks like quite a short stem ? I`m guessing your all legs
I have the same wheels on my none HiMod and find them loads better than the RS81s I had.(but Giant tyres on it?)
Nice, reliable, strong set up that I'm sure will be comfy too if mines anything to go by.
Roll on spring !
No, other way round. I am shorter in the leg longer in the body, hence the 56cm frame with inline and shorter cranks. 10cm stem may even go to 110 as seems very short atm. But, it fits like a glove as I know my requirements from a bike fit via tap measure and feel and knowing how I ride. Happy !0 -
Galatzo wrote:Germcevoy wrote:This is me nearly all set. Stem now sitting on the headset cap. I had a 5mm in there for a few rides before and fancied it that bit lower again. Still have the crappy 110mm stem on there which I need to swap for a nicer one but I may still go for a 120mm once I've tried a few lengthier rides on it.
The blue outers didn't quite colour match the other blue accents so I'll likely switch to black or cannondale green. I'm not big on the feel of the cork bar tape so will probably do that job soon enough. The wheels will do until birthday time around August.
Try the Cannondale C2 stem, very nice gloss finish, light and cheap,/ plenty on Ebay for £10 ish may be less, it`ll look good with gloss finish on yours and be fine till you decide on what finishing kit you want ti use all the way through saving you cash for the wheels you know your gonna get waaaaaayyyyyy before August !!!!
I think glossy is the way to go. Will keep an eye out.0 -
bristolpete wrote:Here 'he/she/they is built. 56mcm frame, 3T inline post, 3T bars and stem, 165mm DA cranks, Praxis adaptor, Ultegra front/rear mech and shifters, Specialized HD bar tape, Specialzied power saddle, Mavic Ksyrium Elite 2015, Taxc tao cages, bike computer from Garmin what tells what the lottery numbers is are too, and where to cow pats are as I ridin' in Devon lanes ye see.
Overall delighted. Stiff, strong, light, fast ; pick 4. Will no doubt stead me in good fast for Dartmoor shown in my picture below, at the top of Haytor.
Pete, the bike is looking lovely and I have the same wheels. (or the Elite S - not sure the differences are with the Elite, cheaper version??). Just remember, if you do decide to race the tour you'll need to add some weight to the bike to make it UCI compliant :-)
You said, "Stiff, strong, light, fast ; pick 4" - it's actually pick 5 as very comfortable/supple
I love mine although this is the first proper grown up bike I've ridden. I did like the Planet X N2A a lot, but that was like riding a "Caterham 7" - very stiff but a handful and a bit skittish over poor surfaces. In comparison the SS just seems to glide over poor surfaces while remaining stiff when it matters.Simon0 -
Yes, very happy with it and took it out yesterday for first ride, though got soaked through as caught in a storm. But, lovely bike, moves along a fair old lick on the flat, climbs and descends. The clever thing about the evo is that the save system and wheel base make it act like a pave bike so very planted. When I had my Defy it felt the same, where as the propel would hop around beneath you - but that was and likely always will be the stiffest bike I have ridden.0
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I've also picked up one of these frames (even more of a bargain without the VAT!). I think I've decided on everything bar groupset.
I'm not mechanically gifted in any way but I think the options I have narrowed it down to is;
1) BB converter and full Shimano groupo
2) Rotor BB and cranks with Shimano everything else
3) full SRAM groupo
I need to work out the cost of each of these options but what have other people done with their builds?0 -
Cycling Caesar wrote:I've also picked up one of these frames (even more of a bargain without the VAT!). I think I've decided on everything bar groupset.
I'm not mechanically gifted in any way but I think the options I have narrowed it down to is;
1) BB converter and full Shimano groupo
2) Rotor BB and cranks with Shimano everything else
3) full SRAM groupo
I need to work out the cost of each of these options but what have other people done with their builds?
I went full SRAM Red 22 - much easier (and lighter) than using DA with a converter.0 -
I am going Campagnolo Chorus with Praxis BB adaptor
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Have a word with the UK Cannondale importer's warranty people, I think I'm right in saying that some adapters affect the life time frame gaurantee ...0
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MikeBrew wrote:Have a word with the UK Cannondale importer's warranty people, I think I'm right in saying that some adapters affect the life time frame gaurantee ...
i could understand if this applied to the FSA sleeve (that allows threaded BB and is pressed/locktited in) but would be surprised if it applied to praxis and other solutions.
Someone should call and confirm.0 -
Anyhow seeing as my Supersix is just over 3 years old now I've had this hankering for a complete Dura Ace groupset as a nice upgrade for it, only the price kept putting me off, getting on for 1,100 quid, so I'd been keeping an eye on them and humming and haa'ing about the price, then just after Christmas I saw that Merlin cycles had a package deal on them - £880!!......Hmm.. too good to miss this time I think, they'll never be as cheap again, so I bit the bullet and bought a complete groupset
Well it had been sat in the garage for about a month, no rush to put it on as I wanted the salt off the roads first, so I got to thinking about what else I could upgrade when I did get around to fitting it?
Always fancied a set of carbon bars tbh, heard all the tales about them reducing road "buzz" on your hands which I tend to get on a long ride, also they would save me having to un-tape my existing bars and take the shifters off, etc, I could just take the old bars off complete and start again with the carbon ones, good idea!! so that weekend a set of carbon bars were sourced from Gunner and mine's favourite shop - Westbrook's
Right, "that's it" I thought, "buying no more, I've got everything I need now......but this is where the whole plot started to come off the rails and run away with me!!
I remember about a year ago lusting after the Supersix Evo Hi Mod team frame in Westbrook's, they were just over £2,000 at the time, but Westbrook's had a special reduction on the last few down to £1,300, fantastic frames these, at one time, the lightest production frame in the world, Hi Modulus carbon, flattened seat & chain stays to reduce vibration and fantastic team graphics, but I really could not justify spending £1,300 on a frame, that's as much as my complete bike cost me!
Well, I had a quick scan on ebay on the off chance someone was selling a second hand one cheap and there was only one frame for sale and he wanted £1,150 for it.. a bit too salty I think for a secondhand frame!
I was having a browse on the "Bikeradar" forum one night when I spotted a long thread about Cannondale's and in that thread someone mentioned that a bike shop in Norfolk was selling Cannondale frames cheap, and I mean really cheap!
Now it just so happened that two days later I was down at Haverhill in Surrey with work, so on the way back I thought "Norfolk's not too far out of my way on the way back, I'll have a quick dodge in there"..................Fatal !!!!!!!!!!!
About an hour later I was loading a big cardboard box into the boot of the car with a brand new...Cannondale Supersix Evo Hi Mod team edition frame...size 56cm, warranty card, headset the lot, for the very reasonable sum ( or at least I thought so...?? ) of..................£750 !! ( what's the consensus here guys, would you think that's a good price??? )
When I got home and took stock of the situation, I realised that I'd now gone beyond the point of no return, I now had to finish off the whole bike as a complete build and do it properly with decent components, so... what started out as a new groupset as a treat was now turning into a complete top end bike build.
I got Westbrooke's to fit a Praxis bottom bracket to convert the Cannondale BB30 so that the Dura Ace chainset would fit, bloody lovely it is!
The Mavic SLE's I already had, but I've put Conti GP 4000's on them in 25c sizes as I'd read a good article on tyre drag etc and the upshot was that you got between 5 - 7% less drag with the bigger tyre due to less distortion ( brake pads are all to hell but I haven't set them up yet as no cables in place )
I've left the steerer tube a bit long so I can cut it down after a few rides once I'm certain the position is right
And I've always used Fizik saddles and this Antares was getting good reviews, its the Versus model with the pressure relief groove, also has carbon rails to keep the road buzz dampened down, looks very nice in the flesh!
To be honest, It's always been an ambition of mine to build the bike that I really wanted from scratch, so I suppose this is it, this will deffo be my last bike as I'm hoping to retire in a couple of years, so I'm going the whole hog on decent bits to finish it off nicely.
I wanted carbon FSA stem, seatpost and bars to finish the build off as they do the Cannondale "Bezerker" green decals, but what a job I had finding it all !, I got the seatpost from Qwerty cycles, a UK Cannondale specialist, the stem came from a German bike shop on Ebay and the bars I got from Westbrooks
Groupset all fitted and tuned in, was pretty straight forward and less hassle than I expected tbh, never had an 11 speed before so I'm looking forward to using it.
One thing I was slightly miffed at was that when the seatpin was set to the correct height, you couldn't see any of the green / white decal!, Fizik silicone ring finishes it off.
I thought I'd give the Fizik bar gel set a go as well, you certainly get good coverage off it and it feels nice and "gooey" for want of a better word.
Wrapped the bars with Fizik superlight "Tacky" tape, it has a kind of slightly sticky rubberised finish about it, the FSA bars have a "Wing" profile to the tops of them, so that flatter, broader area combined with the bar gel should make it nice and comfy for hours on end.
And here she is...the finished item, weighing in at 7.2kgs, if I took the deep section wheels off and used a nice set of carbon clinchers it would be well under 7kgs, I'm pleased with the way it went together, but I'm saving the maiden voyage for a dry, sunny day........that'll be about June then!!
I'm trying not to think of the total cost!0 -
It looks fabulous. I have one ready to build :-) - just trying to finalise a wheel spec. Cosmics look great but I am committed to wider wheels these days and won't go back. Nice build indeed.0
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Looks great.
Just back in off mine. Did a swift hour this morning as cold and wet but wanted to do some tempo riding. Held 19-21mph on my training flat no problem, just below threshold (at the minute not as fit as I would like) and felt I could ride like this all day. I migrated back to 23mm as I was worried about tyre rub at the rear of the bike as I am not running wide rims that allow a tyre to sit flatter in the wheel. But, all good and love it, so capable. Running true and silent today, went past people like a ghost - you know when you and your bike feel unstoppable lol. Very happy with mine.0 -
Oh and naturally, Paul's cycles have done well from the Bike Radar EVO gang. You gotta laugh - good business however and good luck to them. As ever, one wonders what they paid if they can move them on at £750 inc vat !!!!0
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Bloody lovely build.0
