Froome's Data
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same as F1 though, its the racing that should talk not the data. If you have the excitement from the TV images then you don't need a stat fest to talk about0
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the trouble with other riders release data too, is then too many armchair pundits use this to say ride x is doping etc.
We've seen from the asylum that if you think the rider is doping this wont change that.
You are right, of course - it won't change people's minds. However, it would diminish conjecture and gives us more to view and discuss (see F1 comparison). I think transparency is the better way (as a general principal).0 -
same as F1 though, its the racing that should talk not the data. If you have the excitement from the TV images then you don't need a stat fest to talk about
Maybe we allow the riders to use DRS if they are within a wheel length in a sprint then.0 -
It's pandering to the triathlon w@nker, let's face it.
Oei! Sick burn."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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It's pandering to the triathlon w@nker, let's face it.
Hee hee
But seriously, it interests some people (Boardman and me clearly) what makes someone so good from a physiological/biological view, It's like reading a Malcom Gladwell book..
I can't see us ever getting into a situation where we have Froome attacking at 88 cm3/whatever, but Nairo is countering with his 90 cm3/whatever, which is what your suggesting
One only needs to take a short look at Bradley Wiggins to see that having phenomonal numbers is only a very small part of winning a raceWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Is F1 held up as something to aim at because it's managed to make lots of money out of being an increasingly dull racing sport?
It's more that it's popular worldwide and, despite it's recent dullness, still has TV broadcasters fighting to put it on their channels. That said, the smaller teams still struggle with cash and sponsorship.0 -
same as F1 though, its the racing that should talk not the data. If you have the excitement from the TV images then you don't need a stat fest to talk about
Maybe we allow the riders to use DRS if they are within a wheel length in a sprint then.
DRS could be interesting, add in KERS from the new disc brakes too
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I like how f1 has finally started taking ideas from Wacky Racers."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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They could learn from the business model, but then I cant see ASO, RSC etc wanting to change the distribution of profits.Is F1 held up as something to aim at because it's managed to make lots of money out of being an increasingly dull racing sport?
It's more that it's popular worldwide and, despite it's recent dullness, still has TV broadcasters fighting to put it on their channels. That said, the smaller teams still struggle with cash and sponsorship.0 -
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If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.0
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It's not like F1 has experienced any cheating scandals right? If anything, to quote my man Biggie, mo money mo problems...0
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If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.
F1 is the complete opposite to cycling. Once you've seen the first couple of laps you can switch off.0 -
With teams going to the wall they need to look into distributing the TV Rights money to the pro tour teams, but then I cant see the ASO \ RSC etc ever going for that.If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.0 -
With teams going to the wall they need to look into distributing the TV Rights money to the pro tour teams, but then I cant see the ASO \ RSC etc ever going for that.If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.
Said this before... but as the recently published book on the Economics of Professional Road Cycling points out there isn't nearly the money available for redistribution that Velon and others might claim.0 -
i'm £114 short of being able to afford that, but clearly you know more than me here.
With teams going to the wall they need to look into distributing the TV Rights money to the pro tour teams, but then I cant see the ASO \ RSC etc ever going for that.If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.
Said this before... but as the recently published book on the Economics of Professional Road Cycling points out there isn't nearly the money available for redistribution that Velon and others might claim.
The UCI want to expand the sport but we still have regional sponsor with no interest in that. Are there any global sponsors who want to use cycling as a platform ?0 -
i'm £114 short of being able to afford that, but clearly you know more than me here.
With teams going to the wall they need to look into distributing the TV Rights money to the pro tour teams, but then I cant see the ASO \ RSC etc ever going for that.If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.
Said this before... but as the recently published book on the Economics of Professional Road Cycling points out there isn't nearly the money available for redistribution that Velon and others might claim.
The UCI want to expand the sport but we still have regional sponsor with no interest in that. Are there any global sponsors who want to use cycling as a platform ?
This reviewgives you enough of a low down. Absolutely correct on the regional vs global sponsor. But if you get a global sponsor then who calls the shots. This is the problem with F1 at the moment right, private equity basically milking it at the expense of the sport (and particularly the smaller teams).
Let's face it. Cycling is a small sport. We love it, but it's not massive. That's what's great about it. The Guardian (ok ok the Observer) couldn't even find the time to list a set of cycling books in their top sports books of the year list...0 -
I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it0 -
Every sports fan thinks that someone else should spend lots of money on their chosen sport. Football fans are particularly bad at this.0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19756864#p19756864]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it
Yep I saw that and thought something similar. Lance actually disappearing means that a lot of journos suddenly have to actually go and find stories again...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Whittle wrote the single worst piece in the Cycling Anthologies, but perhaps inadvertently the most revealing.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19756864#p19756864]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it
It was of course about how suspicious he is and how badly he had been hurt. All his articles are. This one centred on a Sky (who else) soigneur carrying a bag of rubbish to a bin. He didn't go to the nearest bin, but one further away. Why not the near bin by the crowds thought Whittle as he followed him. When gets to the bin though Whittle doesn't look in the bag, cursing the sport for making him like this.
But of course he has still written about this suspicious event, having refused to actually find out the truth when it was right their in front of him. You're a journalist, look in the goddam bag.
But he didn't. Why? The answer can only be that he is very comfortable with his suspicions, we could quote Henry Rollins here again. He has his prejudices and prejudices rely on ignorance. So rather than look in metaphorical bags of truth, he returns whenever possible to the sources of his prejudices, like Armstrong, clinging to him like a prophet.Twitter: @RichN950 -
^just what I was about to say
No, seriously, you may have got to the bottom of Whittle's bs better than anyone0 -
i'm £114 short of being able to afford that, but clearly you know more than me here.
With teams going to the wall they need to look into distributing the TV Rights money to the pro tour teams, but then I cant see the ASO \ RSC etc ever going for that.If anything F1 should be looked at as a system to avoid: a structure where short term competing interest is slowly gobbling the sport up.
Said this before... but as the recently published book on the Economics of Professional Road Cycling points out there isn't nearly the money available for redistribution that Velon and others might claim.
The UCI want to expand the sport but we still have regional sponsor with no interest in that. Are there any global sponsors who want to use cycling as a platform ?
This reviewgives you enough of a low down. Absolutely correct on the regional vs global sponsor. But if you get a global sponsor then who calls the shots. This is the problem with F1 at the moment right, private equity basically milking it at the expense of the sport (and particularly the smaller teams).
Let's face it. Cycling is a small sport. We love it, but it's not massive. That's what's great about it. The Guardian (ok ok the Observer) couldn't even find the time to list a set of cycling books in their top sports books of the year list...
Is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. It's a small European sport that also has events all of the global, some of which are better value than others.
F1 is still a European sport with "flyaway" races. Yes the European events are fewer and fewer each year but the core of the audience is still European.0 -
Whittle wrote the single worst piece in the Cycling Anthologies, but perhaps inadvertently the most revealing.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19756864#p19756864]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it
And there's some stiff competition for that crown!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Whittle wrote the single worst piece in the Cycling Anthologies, but perhaps inadvertently the most revealing.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19756864#p19756864]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it
It was of course about how suspicious he is and how badly he had been hurt. All his articles are. This one centred on a Sky (who else) soigneur carrying a bag of rubbish to a bin. He didn't go to the nearest bin, but one further away. Why not the near bin by the crowds thought Whittle as he followed him. When gets to the bin though Whittle doesn't look in the bag, cursing the sport for making him like this.
But of course he has still written about this suspicious event, having refused to actually find out the truth when it was right their in front of him. You're a journalist, look in the goddam bag.
But he didn't. Why? The answer can only be that he is very comfortable with his suspicions, we could quote Henry Rollins here again. He has his prejudices and prejudices rely on ignorance. So rather than look in metaphorical bags of truth, he returns whenever possible to the sources of his prejudices, like Armstrong, clinging to him like a prophet.
Or he did look in the bin and found nowt but thought, 'Feck it, I'll say I didn't look and get a story out of it! And I'll definitely not mention that the nearer bin was full and overflowing with rubbish'.0 -
Whittle wrote the single worst piece in the Cycling Anthologies, but perhaps inadvertently the most revealing.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19756864#p19756864]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it
It was of course about how suspicious he is and how badly he had been hurt. All his articles are. This one centred on a Sky (who else) soigneur carrying a bag of rubbish to a bin. He didn't go to the nearest bin, but one further away. Why not the near bin by the crowds thought Whittle as he followed him. When gets to the bin though Whittle doesn't look in the bag, cursing the sport for making him like this.
But of course he has still written about this suspicious event, having refused to actually find out the truth when it was right their in front of him. You're a journalist, look in the goddam bag.
But he didn't. Why? The answer can only be that he is very comfortable with his suspicions, we could quote Henry Rollins here again. He has his prejudices and prejudices rely on ignorance. So rather than look in metaphorical bags of truth, he returns whenever possible to the sources of his prejudices, like Armstrong, clinging to him like a prophet.
Is it not likely that he just made the story up as an, ahem, 'artistic expression' of his suspicion and cynicism, post-Lance?0 -
:shock: ^ a journalist would never do that...0
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Whittle wrote the single worst piece in the Cycling Anthologies, but perhaps inadvertently the most revealing.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19756864#p19756864]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I'm about to go off on one
I see today Jeremy 'oh Cycling's betrayed me, me me, I'll never trust another cyclist again, woe is me' Whittle, heralding poor Lance and inviting him to spout of on how cyclists are no better now than he was
F£ck off! Whittle, you really are just a troll when it comes down to it
It was of course about how suspicious he is and how badly he had been hurt. All his articles are. This one centred on a Sky (who else) soigneur carrying a bag of rubbish to a bin. He didn't go to the nearest bin, but one further away. Why not the near bin by the crowds thought Whittle as he followed him. When gets to the bin though Whittle doesn't look in the bag, cursing the sport for making him like this.
But of course he has still written about this suspicious event, having refused to actually find out the truth when it was right their in front of him. You're a journalist, look in the goddam bag.
But he didn't. Why? The answer can only be that he is very comfortable with his suspicions, we could quote Henry Rollins here again. He has his prejudices and prejudices rely on ignorance. So rather than look in metaphorical bags of truth, he returns whenever possible to the sources of his prejudices, like Armstrong, clinging to him like a prophet.
Or he did look in the bin and found nowt but thought, 'Feck it, I'll say I didn't look and get a story out of it! And I'll definitely not mention that the nearer bin was full and overflowing with rubbish'.
If I was a Sky soigneur, I'd definitely be putting any rubbish near the Movistar or BMC bus. Even a thick cat knows you don't crap on your own manor, do you?0 -
Maybe it's just a metaphor for how lazy he is.. he literally won't cross the street for a chance of the biggest story of his career"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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