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bendertherobot

Pinno wrote:

Nice one Bianchimoon. lol

Joking aside, the chemical attack is so sad. So sad from so many levels - the West's impotence and the mire that has been created by us which has put us in this position of impotence.

My absolute stand out heartbreaking comment from the internet comments sections yesterday was a lady (assuming a lot there) who said that it was heartbreaking that so many who had fled weren't there fighting for themselves against this evil.

bianchimoon

bendertherobot wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Nice one Bianchimoon. lol

Joking aside, the chemical attack is so sad. So sad from so many levels - the West's impotence and the mire that has been created by us which has put us in this position of impotence.

My absolute stand out heartbreaking comment from the internet comments sections yesterday was a lady (assuming a lot there) who said that it was heartbreaking that so many who had fled weren't there fighting for themselves against this evil.

which in turn reminds me of Mays comments on Saudi and our supplying of arms that they use to bomb civilians in Yemen wasn't it something like "better to be supplying weapons than sniping from the sidelines" well that's how I read it anyway

pinno

I could only counter that with the idea that fighting Assad is forlorn.
Had all the opposition been a collective, it may have been different but there was no chance of that was there?

bendertherobot

From the Mail, expect to be outraged and find contempt for humanity:

"Anyone who has served knows that one drop of Sarin on bare flesh is enough to do the job. Yet, adults with no protection and the 'heroic' White Helmets with a pair of rubber gloves as their defence, all seem more concerned with getting the children's suffering on film than anything else. This is evil and manipulative. Anyone who is outraged and thinks we should 'do something'. Go and join the nice people to fight Assad - I'm sure they'll have an orange boiler suit in your size.
I
t about time we got the other side of the story.Its only ever the rebels militias side we see with their version of events,we never see the carnage caused by them which must be cosiderable considering they fire hundreds of rockets indiscrimately, and yes I can believe this version of events because some of these rebel groups of which there are dozens are not much better than isis and use the media who love to blame Assad and are very willing to go along with the blame game

These are the real refugees (Bender; this is a frankly idiotic statement)

i wonder if the Syrian people now regret their demonstrations calling for Assad to go. What exactly have they gained by their actions.



I've cherry picked those. There are some "pro" comments on there. Those, of course, are 'worst rated.'

rjsterry

Out of interest why are you wading around in that stuff? I mean you can guarantee premium grade nonsensical spite on any BTL comments section you care to name, with the DM being home to a particularly rich blend.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Out of interest why are you wading around in that stuff? I mean you can guarantee premium grade nonsensical spite on any BTL comments section you care to name, with the DM being home to a particularly rich blend.

Good to know what Coopster does when he's not commenting on BR ;-).

bendertherobot

rjsterry wrote:

Out of interest why are you wading around in that stuff? I mean you can guarantee premium grade nonsensical spite on any BTL comments section you care to name, with the DM being home to a particularly rich blend.

Just research on this topic. To see just how much bile there is. You'd expect most of the content to be condemnation but it isn't.

And I think that's what scares me most about the world now. Not terrorism, war, death, plague, pestilence. What scares me is that all those things may well be kicked off by people I know..........

But it's not just the DM or Express, it's everywhere. Wales Online was a beaut yesterday, the teacher denied entry into the US. Apparently it's all about his Big Brother career.

letap73

rjsterry wrote:

Out of interest why are you wading around in that stuff? I mean you can guarantee premium grade nonsensical spite on any BTL comments section you care to name, with the DM being home to a particularly rich blend.

To see how people on the "other side" think. The DM is one of the most widely read and influential purveyors of news in the world today.

rjsterry

The unfortunately named (in this context) Dr. Anne Marie Slaughter made a strong case for us (US & UK) to take some military action on R4 this morning. In summary, Assad called Obama's bluff the last time so without physical consequences, he and others will do it again and again.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

The unfortunately named (in this context) Dr. Anne Marie Slaughter made a strong case for us (US & UK) to take some military action on R4 this morning. In summary, Assad called Obama's bluff the last time so without physical consequences, he and others will do it again and again.

To engage in military action from the outside, there needs to be a very strong case for what Syria will look like once action has occurred.

I don't think anyone can or has come up with a palatable solution beyond the war, regardless of what happens.

mr_goo

bendertherobot wrote:

From the Mail, expect to be outraged and find contempt for humanity:

"Anyone who has served knows that one drop of Sarin on bare flesh is enough to do the job. Yet, adults with no protection and the 'heroic' White Helmets with a pair of rubber gloves as their defence, all seem more concerned with getting the children's suffering on film than anything else. This is evil and manipulative. Anyone who is outraged and thinks we should 'do something'. Go and join the nice people to fight Assad - I'm sure they'll have an orange boiler suit in your size.
I
t about time we got the other side of the story.Its only ever the rebels militias side we see with their version of events,we never see the carnage caused by them which must be cosiderable considering they fire hundreds of rockets indiscrimately, and yes I can believe this version of events because some of these rebel groups of which there are dozens are not much better than isis and use the media who love to blame Assad and are very willing to go along with the blame game

These are the real refugees (Bender; this is a frankly idiotic statement)

i wonder if the Syrian people now regret their demonstrations calling for Assad to go. What exactly have they gained by their actions.



I've cherry picked those. There are some "pro" comments on there. Those, of course, are 'worst rated.'

I heard in horror about this Sarin attack whilst out working yesterday. Desperately awful thing to have happened.
Immediately the news coverage is pointing fingers at the Assad regime. Maybe they are the culprits, but I've got to the point with this conflict of not believing anything from the different standpoints and vested interests.
Assad = Bad
Rebels = Bad
Isis = Bad
Russia = Bad
US/West = Bad

I'm not downplaying the disgusting act of chemical or bio weapons being used on civilians, but I'm at a loss as to who is in the right and wrong in the Syrian conflict.

rjsterry

bendertherobot wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Out of interest why are you wading around in that stuff? I mean you can guarantee premium grade nonsensical spite on any BTL comments section you care to name, with the DM being home to a particularly rich blend.

Just research on this topic. To see just how much bile there is. You'd expect most of the content to be condemnation but it isn't.

And I think that's what scares me most about the world now. Not terrorism, war, death, plague, pestilence. What scares me is that all those things may well be kicked off by people I know..........

But it's not just the DM or Express, it's everywhere. Wales Online was a beaut yesterday, the teacher denied entry into the US. Apparently it's all about his Big Brother career.

These people have always been there. They used to sit in the corner of the pub and rant until the landlord moved them on. Now they can post their musings on the website of a national newspaper, so the reduced inhibition of hiding behind a username, plus a boost to the ego.

bendertherobot

I hope you're right. I hope it's just the legitimacy of the internet.

Reminds me of the meme, I've found this new app for determining if my family or friends are racist, it's called Facebook.

How I wish they'd just kept it to the students.......

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

The unfortunately named (in this context) Dr. Anne Marie Slaughter made a strong case for us (US & UK) to take some military action on R4 this morning. In summary, Assad called Obama's bluff the last time so without physical consequences, he and others will do it again and again.

To engage in military action from the outside, there needs to be a very strong case for what Syria will look like once action has occurred.

I don't think anyone can or has come up with a palatable solution beyond the war, regardless of what happens.

The suggestion was a single strike, attacking something of value to Assad, not a campaign or an attempt to remove him.

bianchimoon

Back to Trump, what must Tillerson be thinking? jared Kushner goes to Iraq earlier this week before Tillerson, It's Kushners job to sort out the Middle East, he's sorting out Trumps meeting with the 'Jinese' as well as being in charge of the office of American innovation, I bet he can't wait for Baron Trump to leave school so that he can take over some of these reponsibilities

pblakeney

rjsterry wrote:

The suggestion was a single strike, attacking something of value to Assad, not a campaign or an attempt to remove him.

Use a very large bomb on his house and simply Twitter "Behave"?

rjsterry

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

The suggestion was a single strike, attacking something of value to Assad, not a campaign or an attempt to remove him.

Use a very large bomb on his house and simply Twitter "Behave"?

Essentially, yes.

kingstongraham

bianchimoon wrote:

Back to Trump, what must Tillerson be thinking? jared Kushner goes to Iraq earlier this week before Tillerson, It's Kushners job to sort out the Middle East, he's sorting out Trumps meeting with the 'Jinese' as well as being in charge of the office of American innovation, I bet he can't wait for Baron Trump to leave school so that he can take over some of these reponsibilities

Jared Kushner is sorting out veterans' affairs as well. And relations with Mexico. And reforming criminal justice. And of course he's been engaging with Russia, but who hasn't?

bianchimoon

KingstonGraham wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Back to Trump, what must Tillerson be thinking? jared Kushner goes to Iraq earlier this week before Tillerson, It's Kushners job to sort out the Middle East, he's sorting out Trumps meeting with the 'Jinese' as well as being in charge of the office of American innovation, I bet he can't wait for Baron Trump to leave school so that he can take over some of these reponsibilities

Jared Kushner is sorting out veterans' affairs as well. And relations with Mexico. And reforming criminal justice. And of course he's been engaging with Russia, but who hasn't?

oh bu99er, they haven't got the tape of my visit have they?

bianchimoon

phew it's all ok, they're sorting Syria and Assad out, TM's called for an investigation and "If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime"... just a matter of time now till he backs down faced with that threat, ha thought you'd gotten a way with it Assad eh!

U.S. allies, including British Prime Minister Theresa May, sharply criticized the Syrian government over the attack. May called for an investigation into the incident and said, “If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime.”

veronese68

All whilst cosying up to the Saudis and more importantly telling the National trust about the importance of Easter eggs.

dinyull

Veronese68 wrote:

All whilst cosying up to the Saudis and more importantly telling the National trust about the importance of Easter eggs.

You missed Liam Fox in the Philippines for a full house.

ballysmate

bianchimoon wrote:

phew it's all ok, they're sorting Syria and Assad out, TM's called for an investigation and "If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime"... just a matter of time now till he backs down faced with that threat, ha thought you'd gotten a way with it Assad eh!

U.S. allies, including British Prime Minister Theresa May, sharply criticized the Syrian government over the attack. May called for an investigation into the incident and said, “If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime.”

Yeah lets bomb the sh1t out of Assad and his Russian allies instead.
What could possibly go wrong? :roll:

kingstongraham

bianchimoon wrote:

phew it's all ok, they're sorting Syria and Assad out, TM's called for an investigation and "If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime"... just a matter of time now till he backs down faced with that threat, ha thought you'd gotten a way with it Assad eh!

U.S. allies, including British Prime Minister Theresa May, sharply criticized the Syrian government over the attack. May called for an investigation into the incident and said, “If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime.”

Up till now, we've thought he was a nice chap like his father?

bianchimoon

Ballysmate wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

phew it's all ok, they're sorting Syria and Assad out, TM's called for an investigation and "If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime"... just a matter of time now till he backs down faced with that threat, ha thought you'd gotten a way with it Assad eh!

U.S. allies, including British Prime Minister Theresa May, sharply criticized the Syrian government over the attack. May called for an investigation into the incident and said, “If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime.”

Yeah lets bomb the sh1t out of Assad and his Russian allies instead.
What could possibly go wrong? :roll:

who said anything about bombing anyone?.. Are you answering questions you're posing to yourself?

ballysmate

You posted TM's response and your implication seemed to be that it was weak.
What do you reasonably expect her to do?

ballysmate

Re: paris
Postby Ballysmate » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:32 pm

Frank the tank wrote:
Mr Goo wrote:
Matthewfalle wrote:
Mr Goo wrote:
So it begins?
http://news.sky.com/story/1600631/man-w ... ube-attack


Err, no, oh purveyor of panic and Daily Mail readership.

It's one nutter with a blade.

If he was serious he wouldn't use a knife, he'd do it in Oxford Street or similar for maximum panic and disruption and he'd do a lot more damage.


Not a purveyor of Panic. Nor do I read that toilet paper the Mail. I am merely highlighting that the UK decision to drop bombs on Syria will be a catalyst for idiots with sympathies to IS. Be they irrational failed attacks on innocents at a tube station or a cleverly executed attack in Oxford St on the Saturday before Christmas.

Now we see that because Germany have decided to lend their support, some idiot stupidly tries to bring down a Lufthansa flight on its way to Belgrade.

How about this as a solution. The West withdraws. And let Putin sort it out with Assad.

I tend to agree Mr Goo, Assad is a horrible Bast@rd but so were Gadaffi and Sadam, but while they ran their respective nations there was stability of a kind.

On the bombing issue, in October this year Cameron said, I quote "Russia bombing Syria will lead to more radicalisation and increased terrorism"....................What is the difference between Russian bombs and British bombs?


http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideas ... 8520151004

Was Cameron not speaking about Russia bombing Free Libyan Army to prop up Assad? The UK will be bombing IS, be it infrastructure or in support of groups like the Kurds fighting IS, seemingly in a manner similar to action in Iraq.
How sad that we are debating the propping up of an evil regime such as Assad, who as Frank says is a complete bastard, to fight a group that is threatening us. So every atrocity that he commits in future we would be associated with by proxy.
A pragmatic solution maybe be not palatable.

viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13039738&p=19756559&hilit=syria+proxy#p19756559

Can't remember the entire thread but IIRC people were advocating letting Assad and the Russians sort out IS for us.
My bit was the bit in bold.

bianchimoon

Ballysmate wrote:

You posted TM's response and your implication seemed to be that it was weak.
What do you reasonably expect her to do?

My response was to the futility of it all, be it the Syrian regimes actions right through to the UK, US and world response to the crisis. Bombs have done enough damage

mr_goo

KingstonGraham wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

phew it's all ok, they're sorting Syria and Assad out, TM's called for an investigation and "If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime"... just a matter of time now till he backs down faced with that threat, ha thought you'd gotten a way with it Assad eh!

U.S. allies, including British Prime Minister Theresa May, sharply criticized the Syrian government over the attack. May called for an investigation into the incident and said, “If proven, this will be further evidence of the barbarism of the Syrian regime.”

Up till now, we've thought he was a nice chap like his father?

One of the main causes Assad snr became a barbarous, terrorist sponsor, was due to Henry Kissinger/ USA. Assad snr was attempting to unite the Arab nations including Israel. However Kissinger the interfering twit didn't want the Middle East to be united and powerful. So decided to subvert the process by suggesting to Assad snr that Israel and Egypt were signing their own accord. Something like that anyway.

Strangely enough Syria was the main sponsor of terrorism in the 70s/80s yet the US pinned the blame on Libya, even though French secret service categorically said there was no evidence. Bizarrely Gaddafi loved this and took up the mantle of saviour of the Arab world.

But do you see a familiar pattern here? ...... USA.

pinno

That's you first ever sensible post Mr Goo !