Donald Trump

milton50

Dinyull wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

I wonder how long it will take the working class Trump-voters to realise that tax cuts targeted at the very wealthiest and federal spending cuts isn't going to help them very much.

Same could be said about the working classes here who voted Conservative.

Nah, quite a difference I would suggest. Although the Conservatives in this country will always be pro-business and suspicious of labour, they have at least increased the burden of tax which the top 1% pay and massively hiked the tax free allowance.

As far as I know there is literally nothing being planned by Trump which would directly help lower earners.

rick_chasey

Milton50 wrote:

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Nah, quite a difference I would suggest. Although the Conservatives in this country will always be pro-business and suspicious of labour, they have at least increased the burden of tax which the top 1% pay and massively hiked the tax free allowance.

s.

At the behest of their liberal coalition partners.

milton50

Rick Chasey wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

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Nah, quite a difference I would suggest. Although the Conservatives in this country will always be pro-business and suspicious of labour, they have at least increased the burden of tax which the top 1% pay and massively hiked the tax free allowance.

s.

At the behest of their liberal coalition partners.

Correct but they could have quite easily have removed it from their 2015 manifesto.

rick_chasey

Milton50 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

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Nah, quite a difference I would suggest. Although the Conservatives in this country will always be pro-business and suspicious of labour, they have at least increased the burden of tax which the top 1% pay and massively hiked the tax free allowance.

s.

At the behest of their liberal coalition partners.

Correct but they could have quite easily have removed it from their 2015 manifesto.

So you give Tories credit for Liberal policies?

milton50

I give them credit for proposing to increase the tax free allowance further when they had no pressure to do so.

Basically the point is that the UK Conservatives are more fiscally progressive than Trump, I would suggest.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

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Nah, quite a difference I would suggest. Although the Conservatives in this country will always be pro-business and suspicious of labour, they have at least increased the burden of tax which the top 1% pay and massively hiked the tax free allowance.

s.

At the behest of their liberal coalition partners.

Correct but they could have quite easily have removed it from their 2015 manifesto.

So you give Tories credit for Liberal policies?

Calm down, he's just saying they aren't the same as US conservatives. Anyway TM almost referred to herself as a LibDem the other day

dinyull

Milton50 wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

I wonder how long it will take the working class Trump-voters to realise that tax cuts targeted at the very wealthiest and federal spending cuts isn't going to help them very much.

Same could be said about the working classes here who voted Conservative.

Nah, quite a difference I would suggest. Although the Conservatives in this country will always be pro-business and suspicious of labour, they have at least increased the burden of tax which the top 1% pay and massively hiked the tax free allowance.

Aye, fair do's.

rick_chasey

arthur_scrimshaw

KingstonGraham wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

This is good

https://twitter.com/GazWeetman/status/8 ... 8866657280

How could that guy get his own name wrong, just after he'd been told not to make any mistakes! Some people.

If you read further down the tweets it says his name actually is Ken but mainly uses the nickname 'Chuck' - Trump was correct, much as it pains me to say it.

kingstongraham

Arthur Scrimshaw wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

This is good

https://twitter.com/GazWeetman/status/8 ... 8866657280

How could that guy get his own name wrong, just after he'd been told not to make any mistakes! Some people.

If you read further down the tweets it says his name actually is Ken but mainly uses the nickname 'Chuck' - Trump was correct, much as it pains me to say it.

I knew it couldn't have been The Donald's mistake.

He sings good too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlbUwLx785k

milton50

Rick, I'm giving the Lib Dems credit for originally proposing to increase the threshold to £10,000.

But if a new government comes in and proposes to increase it to £12,500 then you have to acknowledge that no?

bendertherobot

Having defeated ISIS he's moved onto NK now.

kingstongraham

bendertherobot wrote:

Having defeated ISIS he's moved onto NK now.

Can't be serious about it - Jared Kushner hasn't been given the brief yet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/jared-k ... ast--55639

RallyBiker

KingstonGraham wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Having defeated ISIS he's moved onto NK now.

Can't be serious about it - Jared Kushner hasn't been given the brief yet.

http://www.theonion.com/article/jared-k ... ast--55639

Well somebody needs to sort old Kim Jong out before he gets his nuke and delivery system working, the result doesn't bear thinking about!! :shock:

rick_chasey

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 002b577308


Happy Monday.

briantrumpet

The LA Times is doing a rather good no-holds-barred analysis of Trump - we're onto the second instalment today: http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-why-trump-lies/

rjsterry

Well at least I learnt a new word: metacognition - awareness of the limits of your knowledge.

briantrumpet

The last two paragraphs are obviously written to be quoted, but aren't just empty rhetoric, especially where we are in political/social history:

"Our civilization is defined in part by the disciplines — science, law, journalism — that have developed systematic methods to arrive at the truth. Citizenship brings with it the obligation to engage in a similar process. Good citizens test assumptions, question leaders, argue details, research claims.

Investigate. Read. Write. Listen. Speak. Think. Be wary of those who disparage the investigators, the readers, the writers, the listeners, the speakers and the thinkers. Be suspicious of those who confuse reality with reality TV, and those who repeat falsehoods while insisting, against all evidence, that they are true. To defend freedom, demand fact."

pinno

rjsterry wrote:

Well at least I learnt a new word: metacognition - awareness of the limits of your knowledge.

What yer sayin' like?

rjsterry

Pinno wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Well at least I learnt a new word: metacognition - awareness of the limits of your knowledge.

What yer sayin' like?

What Rumsfeld said (sort of). Was trying to find an upside in that article that Rick posted and the general hellinahandcart direction of the US. There was a line about Trump not being aware of what he doesn't know. You know things are bad when Rumsfeld seems to be the one with his head screwed on.

On reflection, the idea of Trump and Kushner getting well and truly owned by the Chinese, after all his guff about him being such a deal maker, has a certain delicious schadenfreude.

pinno

rjsterry wrote:

Pinno wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Well at least I learnt a new word: metacognition - awareness of the limits of your knowledge.

What yer sayin' like?

What Rumsfeld said (sort of). Was trying to find an upside in that article that Rick posted and the general hellinahandcart direction of the US. There was a line about Trump not being aware of what he doesn't know. You know things are bad when Rumsfeld seems to be the one with his head screwed on.

On reflection, the idea of Trump and Kushner getting well and truly owned by the Chinese, after all his guff about him being such a deal maker, has a certain delicious schadenfreude.

Nice explanation mate but soz, it was a joke.

rjsterry

:roll:

bendertherobot

Some awesome Obama blaming from Trump about Syria in the WH Syria statement.

Despite Trump previously urging non intervention.

Wonder why he did that?

letap73

bendertherobot wrote:

Some awesome Obama blaming from Trump about Syria in the WH Syria statement.

Personally I think Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson are equally culpable, although we shouldn't whitewash Grover Cleveland's involvement.

bendertherobot

Or Wiggle

pinno

bendertherobot wrote:

Or Wiggle

bendertherobot wrote:

Some awesome Obama blaming from Trump about Syria in the WH Syria statement.

Despite Trump previously urging non intervention.

Wonder why he did that?

You're assuming there's some joined up thinking by Trump. One of his aides will whisper in his ear "That towel head Assad is your buddy Putin's buddy". Next there will be a Trump statement along the lines of 'It was all a big mistake, we're going to be the friends of Syria and it's going to be beautiful' and privately thinking he can open the Aleppo Golf Resort at a later date.

bianchimoon

Pinno wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Or Wiggle

bendertherobot wrote:

Some awesome Obama blaming from Trump about Syria in the WH Syria statement.

Despite Trump previously urging non intervention.

Wonder why he did that?

You're assuming there's some joined up thinking by Trump. One of his aides will whisper in his ear "That towel head Assad is your buddy Putin's buddy". Next there will be a Trump statement along the lines of 'It was all a big mistake, we're going to be the friends of Syria and it's going to be beautiful' and privately thinking he can open the Aleppo Golf Resort at a later date.

It's a deal, he's heard the bunkers are already built

bendertherobot

Pinno wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Or Wiggle

bendertherobot wrote:

Some awesome Obama blaming from Trump about Syria in the WH Syria statement.

Despite Trump previously urging non intervention.

Wonder why he did that?

You're assuming there's some joined up thinking by Trump. One of his aides will whisper in his ear "That towel head Assad is your buddy Putin's buddy". Next there will be a Trump statement along the lines of 'It was all a big mistake, we're going to be the friends of Syria and it's going to be beautiful' and privately thinking he can open the Aleppo Golf Resort at a later date.

Don't worry, my wonder was purely rhetorical. There'll be some whirlwind action in the WH today though, was it Russia, Assad or the rebels. Surely easier to go with the latter.

bianchimoon

briantrumpet wrote:

The LA Times is doing a rather good no-holds-barred analysis of Trump - we're onto the second instalment today: http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-why-trump-lies/

That article doesn't say as much about Donald Trump as it does about a very large percentage of the American population

pinno

Nice one Bianchimoon. lol

Joking aside, the chemical attack is so sad. So sad from so many levels - the West's impotence and the mire that has been created by us which has put us in this position of impotence.