Donald Trump

bendertherobot

So, Courts. There does seem to be an increasing hysteria from the people, but, most worryingly governments when things don't go their way.

bendertherobot

bendertherobot wrote:

So, Courts. There does seem to be an increasing hysteria from the people, but, most worryingly governments when things don't go their way.

He described federal judge James Robart as a "so-called" justice whose "ridiculous" opinion "essentially takes law-enforcement away from" the US.

briantrumpet

bendertherobot wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

So, Courts. There does seem to be an increasing hysteria from the people, but, most worryingly governments when things don't go their way.

He described federal judge James Robart as a "so-called" justice whose "ridiculous" opinion "essentially takes law-enforcement away from" the US.

I think he might be getting "the US" and "Donald Trump" confused.

bendertherobot

Nah, he just meant lower case

rick_chasey

A snapshot of the process ( or lack of ) of governance at the moment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos ... d2e6defa8d

I imagine once everyone's in seat and all these policies get properly looked at by the other parts of the gov't we'll have a more stable situation, where the Trump administration is more predictable.

briantrumpet

Rick Chasey wrote:

A snapshot of the process ( or lack of ) of governance at the moment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos ... 0d2e6defa8

I imagine once everyone's in seat and all these policies get properly looked at by the other parts of the gov't we'll have a more stable situation, where the Trump administration is more predictable.

That's assuming that Bannon isn't actually trying to subvert the system, which I think is a distinct possibility.

briantrumpet

... and it's becoming plainer and plainer to me that Bannon is who's driving this malevolent bus... Trump has not got the intellect or coherent agenda, but his persona is the perfect front for the destruction that Bannon needs in order to remodel America in the way he wants. It's worth looking at #presidentbannon on Twitter.

ballysmate

Stevo 666 wrote:

Interesting stats about public attitudes to the Trump visit:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/most-britons-back-donald-trumps-planned-state-visit-to-uk-poll-finds-a3455216.html
Not what I expected given the popularity of the gov't petition.

My local rag, the Express and Star, covering the West Mids ran a poll. I can't find the link, but I think it was around 70% support for Trump's visit and slightly less for his foreign travellers ban.

But if we revisit this poll

viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13060592&hilit=pup&start=20

it may give an indication of how far the opinion on here differs from the opinion at large.

ballysmate

DT bans travellers from some predominately Islamic countries and the EU wets itself in protest.

Robert Fico, PM Slovakia, "“It may look strange but sorry … Islam has no place in Slovakia,” and a few weeks later, Slovakia took over the EU Council Presidency. :?

BTW I feel that Trumps decision was wrong.

rick_chasey

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

A snapshot of the process ( or lack of ) of governance at the moment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos ... 0d2e6defa8

I imagine once everyone's in seat and all these policies get properly looked at by the other parts of the gov't we'll have a more stable situation, where the Trump administration is more predictable.

That's assuming that Bannon isn't actually trying to subvert the system, which I think is a distinct possibility.

He can try but I wouldn't under estimate how obstinant Americans can be when it comes to the constitution.

It was specifically designed to tolerate leaders like Trump so in theory it should work.

rick_chasey

Also, the sheer quantity of leaks and the regular statements from senior republicans from different parts of congress and state department that run contrary to Trump suggests the Oval Office doesn't have anywhere near as much control as is being reported.

I'm quietly confident he'll have his wings clipped (though I was confident Brexit would lose and Hilary would stroll into the White house, so what do I know)

pblakeney

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm quietly confident he'll have his wings clipped (though I was confident Brexit would lose and Hilary would stroll into the White hours, so what do I know)

Self realisation is the first step to wisdom.

rick_chasey

Well if I was good at predicting stuff I'd have a different job, a lot more money, and wouldn't be sharing it on Internet forums!

briantrumpet

Rick Chasey wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

A snapshot of the process ( or lack of ) of governance at the moment: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos ... 0d2e6defa8

I imagine once everyone's in seat and all these policies get properly looked at by the other parts of the gov't we'll have a more stable situation, where the Trump administration is more predictable.

That's assuming that Bannon isn't actually trying to subvert the system, which I think is a distinct possibility.

He can try but I wouldn't under estimate how obstinant Americans can be when it comes to the constitution.

It was specifically designed to tolerate leaders like Trump so in theory it should work.

In theory. We'd better hope that there are enough Republicans who care enough about the Constitution not to allow themselves to be tricked into giving Bannon/Trump the benefit of the doubt. They are wreckers.

rick_chasey

If I can put my history hat on, authoritarian leaders/ despots tend to originate from either corrupt states or weak democracies. The US is neither (by comparison).

It's nigh on impossible to get much done as president at the best of times; at best they tinker around the edge. This is doubly so when it involves the constitution.

bendertherobot

So called higher court judges have stopped him again.

bendertherobot

It must be so difficult for a narcissist to be told you did something wrong. Wonder who he'll blame?

Garry H

bendertherobot wrote:

It must be so difficult for a narcissist to be told you did something wrong. Wonder who he'll blame?

That's obvious; Wiggle!

(Or the political elite)

bendertherobot

New guy in charge there now as well. Says he'll put a ban on Campag.

pblakeney

bendertherobot wrote:

New guy in charge there now as well. Says he'll put a ban on Campag.

Presumably foreign Shimano too.
Imagine a SRAM only Country. :shock:

bendertherobot

PBlakeney wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

New guy in charge there now as well. Says he'll put a ban on Campag.

Presumably foreign Shimano too.
Imagine a SRAM only Country. :shock:

Trump probably is...........

Garry H

Filthy foreign muck! Coming over here, enabling us to have muliti-geared, emission-free road transportation at an inflated price! Send them back!!

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

So called higher court judges have stopped him again.

I think he is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction... his folks will see him as a paladin who is trying to save the nation from foreign invasion, but the judges prevent him from doing so. He just wants to be seen as a do-er, personally he probably can't care less for any of this nonsense.
Destabilising, we'll see who goes first, whether it's him or the constitution...

bendertherobot

I dunno, he wants to win. Hates losing. Has never lost before (insert smiley). No, this isn't a reaction this is deliberately being obstinate. He has never been told, by anyone before, what he can and cannot do.

surrey_commuter

bendertherobot wrote:

I dunno, he wants to win. Hates losing. Has never lost before (insert smiley). No, this isn't a reaction this is deliberately being obstinate. He has never been told, by anyone before, what he can and cannot do.

My money is on the constitution. If he had a clue he would have sorted the Supreme Court first.

bendertherobot

Even that might be problematic. The original so called judge was a Bush appointee. Unless this new chap is utterly barking and tips the balance along party lines I can't see the Supreme Court doing much either. And his attacks on the judges won't go down well.

Anyone noticed, as well, that he's carried out all his pledges in the first week or so and has very little, it seems, left now?

surrey_commuter

bendertherobot wrote:

Even that might be problematic. The original so called judge was a Bush appointee. Unless this new chap is utterly barking and tips the balance along party lines I can't see the Supreme Court doing much either. And his attacks on the judges won't go down well.

Anyone noticed, as well, that he's carried out all his pledges in the first week or so and has very little, it seems, left now?

I thought the proposed chap is barking (and young). With Trump acting so unpredictably you would think there would be enough Republicans to block his appointment

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Even that might be problematic. The original so called judge was a Bush appointee. Unless this new chap is utterly barking and tips the balance along party lines I can't see the Supreme Court doing much either. And his attacks on the judges won't go down well.

Anyone noticed, as well, that he's carried out all his pledges in the first week or so and has very little, it seems, left now?

I thought the proposed chap is barking (and young). With Trump acting so unpredictably you would think there would be enough Republicans to block his appointment

He's not barking. Deeply conservative, with some pretty nasty views to our eyes, but not barking. He also borders on fetishising the Constitution (specifically a literal interpretation), so he'll keep the Bible thumpers happy, but I suspect won't support any bending of the Constitution.

briantrumpet

Trump's at it again tonight: "Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!"

It's almost like he wants something Bad! to happen (Reichstag, anyone?) so he can neuter the judiciary. Or am I being silly?

pblakeney

briantrumpet wrote:

Trump's at it again tonight: "Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!"

It's almost like he wants something Bad! to happen (Reichstag, anyone?) so he can neuter the judiciary. Or am I being silly?

I can imagine something "bad" happening, and there being rejoicing!