Donald Trump

bianchimoon

Interesting that drugs are cheaper abroad than the US, due to buying power of large organisations such as NHS compared to US insurance companies
-- Gleevec (a cancer treatment): $6,214 (per month/per customer) in the United States, compared to $1,141 in Canada and $2,697 in England.
-- Humira (for rheumatoid arthritis): $2,246 in the United States, compared to $881 in Switzerland and $1,102 in England.
-- Cymbalta (for depression): $194 in the United States, compared to $46 in England and $52 in the Netherlands.
So if they lower prices in US as they have just promised = higher prices everywhere else?

bianchimoon

Veronese68 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

... and vowed to speed up approval times for new medicines ...

Hopefully not at the expense of rigorous checks and balances.

I paraphrase, but he said, look if someones only got 4 weeks to live they might as well try the unlicensed drugs, what have they got to lose!

kingstongraham

bianchimoon wrote:

Interesting that drugs are cheaper abroad than the US, due to buying power of large organisations such as NHS compared to US insurance companies
-- Gleevec (a cancer treatment): $6,214 (per month/per customer) in the United States, compared to $1,141 in Canada and $2,697 in England.
-- Humira (for rheumatoid arthritis): $2,246 in the United States, compared to $881 in Switzerland and $1,102 in England.
-- Cymbalta (for depression): $194 in the United States, compared to $46 in England and $52 in the Netherlands.
So if they lower prices in US as they have just promised = higher prices everywhere else?

Are those selected for the impact of being higher in the USA, or is that generally representative? There are obviously lawsuits against drug companies in the UK for price gouging on generic drugs at the moment.

It obviously doesn't necessarily follow that lower prices in the USA = higher elsewhere. The share prices might shortly reflect lower profit expectations.

bianchimoon

KingstonGraham wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Interesting that drugs are cheaper abroad than the US, due to buying power of large organisations such as NHS compared to US insurance companies
-- Gleevec (a cancer treatment): $6,214 (per month/per customer) in the United States, compared to $1,141 in Canada and $2,697 in England.
-- Humira (for rheumatoid arthritis): $2,246 in the United States, compared to $881 in Switzerland and $1,102 in England.
-- Cymbalta (for depression): $194 in the United States, compared to $46 in England and $52 in the Netherlands.
So if they lower prices in US as they have just promised = higher prices everywhere else?

Are those selected for the impact of being higher in the USA, or is that generally representative? There are obviously lawsuits against drug companies in the UK for price gouging on generic drugs at the moment.

It obviously doesn't necessarily follow that lower prices in the USA = higher elsewhere. The share prices might shortly reflect lower profit expectations.

an explanation CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/28/healt ... for-drugs/
as they will have to bring production 'home' and bring prices down, someone's going to have to pay. Trump made a point of saying the rest of the world has got way with buying cheap from the US

kingstongraham

bianchimoon wrote:

Trump made a point of saying the rest of the world has got way with buying cheap from the US

OK, now I've read what he said. "Our trade policy will prioritize that foreign countries pay their fair share for our US-manufactured drug, so our drug companies have greater financial resources to accelerate development of new cures, and I think that's so important. Right now it's very unfair what other countries are doing to us".

Other places have negotiated a lower price that the company is still willing to sell the drug at, and that's unfair to the USA as a country.

rick_chasey

Noone a Manson fan?

Jez mon

KingstonGraham wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Trump made a point of saying the rest of the world has got way with buying cheap from the US

OK, now I've read what he said. "Our trade policy will prioritize that foreign countries pay their fair share for our US-manufactured drug, so our drug companies have greater financial resources to accelerate development of new cures, and I think that's so important. Right now it's very unfair what other countries are doing to us".

Other places have negotiated a lower price that the company is still willing to sell the drug at, and that's unfair to the USA as a country.

If I were to tell drug companies off for how their financial structuring I'd go looking at how much they spent on advertising/marketing rather than what they charge to different customers.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

Noone a Manson fan?

Just struggling with the image of you as a goth. :shock:

Ben6899

Rick Chasey wrote:

Noone a Manson fan?

I like the ones where he covers someone else...

bendertherobot

Isnt pharma one of our biggest exports to the US?

veronese68

Rick Chasey wrote:

Noone a Manson fan?

The Quebec mosque shooter. ;-)
Had I been drinking when I read RJS''s comment it would have been messy.

veronese68

bendertherobot wrote:

Isnt pharma one of our biggest exports to the US?

That may require the past tense now.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Noone a Manson fan?

Just struggling with the image of you as a goth. :shock:

It's a far cry from roll necks and turn ups, granted.

surrey_commuter

Veronese68 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Isnt pharma one of our biggest exports to the US?

That may require the past tense now.

come on be more cheery -vehicles will take a hit so it could remain one of our biggest exports

The top 10 industries importing into the US are:

electrical machinery and equipment
machinery and mechanical appliances
vehicles
mineral fuels and oils
pharmaceuticals
optical, photographic, cinematographic, measuring and precision equipment
furniture, mattresses and soft furnishings
pearls, precious and semi precious stones and metals
organic chemicals
plastics

bendertherobot

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Isnt pharma one of our biggest exports to the US?

That may require the past tense now.

come on be more cheery -vehicles will take a hit so it could remain one of our biggest exports

The top 10 industries importing into the US are:

electrical machinery and equipment
machinery and mechanical appliances
vehicles
mineral fuels and oils
pharmaceuticals
optical, photographic, cinematographic, measuring and precision equipment
furniture, mattresses and soft furnishings
pearls, precious and semi precious stones and metals
organic chemicals
plastics

Save that he's just told his US factories to pull it all back in. So, Johnson and Johnson UK, what about that one?

burnthesheep

Veronese68 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Isnt pharma one of our biggest exports to the US?

That may require the past tense now.

I'm helping build a $4 billion pharma plant in the US right now. Have been since before he was elected. One of the biggest pharma investments in the world.

verylonglegs

$4 Billion for a single plant? How is that figure reached? Given that land over there is cheap as chips I was wondering how big it is and where the expense actually is.

coopster_the_1st

verylonglegs wrote:

$4 Billion for a single plant? How is that figure reached? Given that land over there is cheap as chips I was wondering how big it is and where the expense actually is.

Maybe there is a wall required as part of the build

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Isnt pharma one of our biggest exports to the US?

That may require the past tense now.

come on be more cheery -vehicles will take a hit so it could remain one of our biggest exports

The top 10 industries importing into the US are:

electrical machinery and equipment
machinery and mechanical appliances
vehicles
mineral fuels and oils
pharmaceuticals
optical, photographic, cinematographic, measuring and precision equipment
furniture, mattresses and soft furnishings
pearls, precious and semi precious stones and metals
organic chemicals
plastics

Would have thought that financial services would be on there - unless that is a goods only list?

pinno

benws1 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

I have spent the last 11 years running a recycling organisation.

That explains your viewpoint perfectly.

Is your organisation one of the ones that keeps catching fire?

We recycled Aluminium cans (35%), steel cans (25%), waste cooking oil (30%) low grade polythene (<5%), high grade polythene (<2) and milk bottle plastic (<2%)*. It was a voluntary organisation.
*Percentages by income.

I am not a total convert to the predictions and mechanisms of climate change BUT we should take the precautionary principle and do whatever we can just in case, taking the worse prediction as a starting point.
What I am sure of is that the Climate Change debate has hijacked other concerns as the predominant environmental issue when there's pollution, destruction of habitat, decimation of species and extinctions continuing at an alarming rate - and those factors are undeniable.
I was born in Kenya and from an early age, I was aware of the poaching that severely accelerated in the 70's. My whole family has been involved in conservation. My mother was instrumental in starting up the 'Rhino charge' which eventually morphed into a cross country rough road rally years later:

http://rhinocharge.co.ke

My sister married this man's son and she worked for the Kenya Wildlife Service until she recently took a position in Uganda in a similar capacity,

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1195 ... ward_Goss/
http://www.natgeocreative.com/photography/1238012

My 'viewpoint' isn't some trendy theme that I have latched on to. Besides, if I wanted to wear a badge, then I would surely be banging the climate change drum?

The human race is incapable of co-operating sufficiently to get us off this planet and Mars is such an alien climate, I think anyone spending more than a couple of years there, would go stark raving mad. Despite our technological advances and our separation for the 'real world', we are intrinsically reliant on mother earth both physically and psychologically.
The earth is a perfect environment for life, why go anywhere else?

mamba80

amazing how times change....

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15F2DN

crispybug2

rjsterry

Pinno wrote:

The human race is incapable of co-operating sufficiently to get us off this planet and Mars is such an alien climate, I think anyone spending more than a couple of years there, would go stark raving mad. Despite our technological advances and our separation for the 'real world', we are intrinsically reliant on mother earth both physically and psychologically.
The earth is a perfect environment for life, why go anywhere else?

Mars is a very very very long way away http://www.distancetomars.com. With current means of space flight, that's about 150 days just to get there and the same to get back, plus a minimum wait of 18 months between journeys. This is longer than the longest time anyone has spent in space. That kind of time outside Earth's atmosphere, gravity and magnetic field will not do you any good at all. I'm sure we'll get there eventually, but maybe a bit late for it to be a viable escape plan.

briantrumpet

rjsterry wrote:

Pinno wrote:

The human race is incapable of co-operating sufficiently to get us off this planet and Mars is such an alien climate, I think anyone spending more than a couple of years there, would go stark raving mad. Despite our technological advances and our separation for the 'real world', we are intrinsically reliant on mother earth both physically and psychologically.
The earth is a perfect environment for life, why go anywhere else?

Mars is a very very very long way away http://www.distancetomars.com. With current means of space flight, that's about 150 days just to get there and the same to get back, plus a minimum wait of 18 months between journeys. This is longer than the longest time anyone has spent in space. That kind of time outside Earth's atmosphere, gravity and magnetic field will not do you any good at all. I'm sure we'll get there eventually, but maybe a bit late for it to be a viable escape plan.

And what's the betting that there would be a Martian Trump/Bannon stationed the other end, turning you back because you once espoused a mildly ambivalent attitude on Bike Radar.

rick_chasey

mamba80 wrote:

amazing how times change....

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15F2DN

It's a point worth making.

Not much left of the world is pro Europe.

bianchimoon

Rick Chasey wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

amazing how times change....

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15F2DN

It's a point worth making.

Not much left of the world is pro Europe.

Europe must be doing something right then!

bendertherobot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtBZvl7dIu4

capt_slog

Apologies if it's been posted before, otherwise, enjoy

http://trumpdonald.org/

bendertherobot

Put the phone down on Turnbull apparently. I'd love to hear a transcript of that one.

briantrumpet

Here's what driving Trump, in my view - 'status', and far more, the fortunes that the Presidency offers: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/opin ... e-inc.html

And 'President Bannon' is using the narcissistic, greedy frontman to push through his racist, bellicose, destructive agenda.