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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Hey Goo, do you like Trump, he's orange? Who said skin colour is a problem to Americans?!

    PS i doubt you've got an issue with skin colour but someone raised that so i used it to poke fun at the colour Trump had earlier in his campaign. I find him worthy of our ridicule so any opportunity...
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn?....
    I just love the irony in getting upset at Trump's protectionism when we voted for Brexit to make Britain great again. :lol:
    My post expressed that this feeling started with our referendum so I'm getting "upset" about our situation as well. I'm being consistent here! It's there anything wrong with that?...
    For clarity, my point was about the general populace, nothing personal.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Hey Goo, do you like Trump, he's orange? Who said skin colour is a problem to Americans?!

    PS i doubt you've got an issue with skin colour but someone raised that so i used it to poke fun at the colour Trump had earlier in his campaign. I find him worthy of our ridicule so any opportunity...

    Nope don't like Trump. Period. I find him a rather odious man. But hey he ain't my country's leader, but then the Americans didn't have much to choose from. I shall watch on and see what happens. It is an interesting period for politics in the Western World.

    And for what it is worth I think that Obama has been the best US President in my lifetime.... that's a tad over 50 years. Best orator of any head of state that I can remember. Always dignified. I liked that.
    Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Oi! Rick Chasey! You out there? Or are you too busy cooking a Quinoa Salad ?

    You have still not responded to why you think I do not like Obama. Others have asked the same question.

    I am waiting. We are waiting.
    Speak for yourself. Weren't you two supposed to be meeting up for a beer?
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    rjsterry wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Oi! Rick Chasey! You out there? Or are you too busy cooking a Quinoa Salad ?

    You have still not responded to why you think I do not like Obama. Others have asked the same question.

    I am waiting. We are waiting.
    Speak for yourself. Weren't you two supposed to be meeting up for a beer?

    I think that Chasey is more likely to go for a beer with Trump than me.
    Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
    Trump may be an unpleasant, populist liability but the USA is still the largest economy on the planet.

    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
    Trump may be an unpleasant, populist liability but the USA is still the largest economy on the planet.

    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.

    Very much depends on the terms
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    And don't forget that once we Brexit we can join NAFTA

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... rade-area/
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Mr Goo wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Oi! Rick Chasey! You out there? Or are you too busy cooking a Quinoa Salad ?

    You have still not responded to why you think I do not like Obama. Others have asked the same question.

    I am waiting. We are waiting.
    Speak for yourself. Weren't you two supposed to be meeting up for a beer?

    I think that Chasey is more likely to go for a beer with Trump than me.
    Oh go on. It would make a good thread and if Arron Banks and Mary Beard can find some common ground over a meal...
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
    Trump may be an unpleasant, populist liability but the USA is still the largest economy on the planet.

    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.

    Very much depends on the terms

    Exactly. For once I agree with you. As the UK heads for the EU exit door, it is free to negotiate terms elsewhere. However maybe not from a position of strength that we think we have.
    Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
    Trump may be an unpleasant, populist liability but the USA is still the largest economy on the planet.

    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.

    Very much depends on the terms

    Exactly. For once I agree with you. As the UK heads for the EU exit door, it is free to negotiate terms elsewhere. However maybe not from a position of strength that we think we have.
    I was reading something about 30-day termination clauses being written into new US trade deals, so it's all fine until Trump decides he has tired of us.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Agree with all of the above, only good going into a trade deal if the terms are good for both parties. Trump has said many times any deal will benefit America first, we're a desperate wounded animal with no plan B and doesn't he know it !
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
    Trump may be an unpleasant, populist liability but the USA is still the largest economy on the planet.

    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.

    Very much depends on the terms

    Exactly. For once I agree with you. As the UK heads for the EU exit door, it is free to negotiate terms elsewhere. However maybe not from a position of strength that we think we have.

    Is that the sound of the penny dropping. You should pop back and give Coopster a hand as I think he can only face it when p1ssed
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    So Trump possible plan to put a 20% import tax on Mexican goods to pay for 'the wall'. How does that work, doesn't it make Mexican products 20% more expensive for US customers, so they ultimately end up paying for the wall? Am I missing something?
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Also messes up VWs plans a bit. They invested in Mexico along with component manufacturers. A lot of automotive work in Mexico that ends up in USA. Whether that's in finished cars or as components going into US car plants. It's a bad idea for the auto industry which i believe Trump wants to promote. A large multinational that's invested in Mexico to produce auto components isn't going to take it well. They're big enough to increase their prices to the American car brands that they import their products to in USA. Smaller suppliers get held to low prices irrespective of trade conditions.

    The auto industry in the EU and rest of the world works on cross border supply lines. EU especially. It does have an effect. Mind you he's a property developer not an industrialist. He's probably had less dealings with these sorts of businesses. I hope someone brings him up to speed quick. He's bright enough to understand if he listens.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Why does he care about VW. I imagine it's something along the lines of:

    "German cars, not as good as Ford and GM. Sold Mexican made cars in the USA taking jobs away from Detroit for too long. SAD!"
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    It's not just vw. It's the suppliers to American car companies too. There's US companies in Mexico too. VW is just a European car that's invested in Mexico and USA i believe. The stuff made in Mexico can also go into plants in USA owned or supplying vw that uses US workforce.

    Seriously, in the auto trade a 20% tariff on Mexico will affect USA car industry too.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    It's not just vw. It's the suppliers to American car companies too. There's US companies in Mexico too. VW is just a European car that's invested in Mexico and USA i believe. The stuff made in Mexico can also go into plants in USA owned or supplying vw that uses US workforce.

    Seriously, in the auto trade a 20% tariff on Mexico will affect USA car industry too.
    The question is who will pay that tariff ultimately?
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    the guy has dementia.

    what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.
    beggars can't be choosers!

    you ve a point there! but lets hope it doesnt back fire on us ....
    The Washington Post isn't flattering... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

    she has embarrassed herself and the UK in front of the Indians, Arabs and Chinese, maybe she has promised to sleep with trump in return for this 90 day trade deal? nothing would surprise me right now.

    Trump may not last, she is fool, things never work out well for the UK when we turn our backs on Europe and try to be the US lap dog.
    Trump may be an unpleasant, populist liability but the USA is still the largest economy on the planet.

    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.

    Very much depends on the terms

    Exactly. For once I agree with you. As the UK heads for the EU exit door, it is free to negotiate terms elsewhere. However maybe not from a position of strength that we think we have.

    Is that the sound of the penny dropping. You should pop back and give Coopster a hand as I think he can only face it when p1ssed

    Not really. The UK thinks it's a bigger player than it really is. As regards a trade deal with US, Trump and his advisors know that we are in a position of weakness. I think even when a fully fledged member of EU, we never had that much of a voice. It was always us verses them.
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    So, trade. Simply. What's the effect going to be. His standpoint appears to be that USA should be self dependent, build, supply etc. If we have to import and can't produce, ok. If we do, we will tax you. Nothing all that unusual. But the scale is bigger. If we could do it, we will build it, then we will tax you. Something like that?

    So, ultimately US citizens get less choice, but pay roughly the same because they now produce that thing? They have to buy Buicks rather than VW's.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    bendertherobot wrote:
    So, ultimately US citizens get less choice, but pay roughly the same because they now produce that thing? They have to buy Buicks rather than VW's.
    This.
    The thinking is "Buy 'mercian.".
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Punishing Mexico economically for having lots of is citizens who want to emigrate to a more prosperous country?

    Not sure he's thought this through.
    _
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Electronic equipment: US$332.9 billion (14.4% of total US imports)
    Machines, engines, pumps: $329.3 billion (14.3%)
    Vehicles: $283.8 billion (12.3%)
    Oil: $201.2 billion (8.7%)
    Pharmaceuticals: $86.1 billion (3.7%)
    Medical, technical equipment: $78.3 billion (3.4%)
    Furniture, lighting, signs: $61.2 billion (2.6%)
    Gems, precious metals: $60.2 billion (2.6%)
    Organic chemicals: $52.1 billion (2.3%)
    Plastics: $50.2 billion (2.2%)

    That's the list. Can't do much about oil and oil based products (Alaska ahoy) but actual engineering stuff up for grabs. Thing is, very few US electronic companies with manufacturing there. They can't pull Apple back. iPhone cost would rocket. But they could do that then make a Samsung phone cost the same through import taxes.

    We provide the vast majority of that pharma import. Patents aside I can't see how they can't take that away, particularly if the companies are theirs.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Tax UK pharma and watch Americans cope with medical bills going up.

    Electronics? Semiconductor plants are big investments that actually need to make their real money in a very quick period of time. However this won't help because they build new facilities where existing ones are. Unfortunately not be that many in USA. Tax USA electronics and how will silicon valley like it?

    Globalisation has moved industry around so much it's not easy for any single country to become self sufficient. If he manages that magic trick I'll proclaim him the messiah too!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    If as mentioned on the other thread, leaving the largest free trade zone on the planet is a bad thing then it is hard to argue that entering a trade deal with the largest economy on earth is a bad thing.

    There is a very good reason that Trump is tearing up multilateral deals and striking bilateral deals.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    bendertherobot wrote:
    So, ultimately US citizens get less choice, but pay roughly the same because they now produce that thing? They have to buy Buicks rather than VW's.

    Interesting replay of Planet Money podcast this week about the chicken tax, and how that has meant that the only pickup trucks in America are American. All those from outside USA (and NAFTA) get hit with a 25% tax implemented to retaliate against VW when Germany taxed American frozen chicken in 1963.

    So pickups haven't changed much, because there's no competition.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    So, ultimately US citizens get less choice, but pay roughly the same because they now produce that thing? They have to buy Buicks rather than VW's.

    Interesting replay of Planet Money podcast this week about the chicken tax, and how that has meant that the only pickup trucks in America are American. All those from outside USA (and NAFTA) get hit with a 25% tax implemented to retaliate against VW when Germany taxed American frozen chicken in 1963.

    So pickups haven't changed much, because there's no competition.

    Trump or no Trump, it's a really backwards country. Right?
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